17 minutes ago, Remodez said:

Not to make yet another excuse for him as even with the players we have we should still be doing a bit better but you can see how much better United look when they have their players fit and are able to put out their strongest XI. 

If we didn't have half the team out I would like to think we would be in a better spot. 

I  would agree with you had we lost being worse technically, but we are at the point where players get on the pitch as casual as it gets. They underhit passes, loose every second ball and 50/50 situations, don't put any intensity in their game. And that is not a technical issue but a mentality one.

YOU CANT DO A LONG TERM BUILD AND HAVE SHORT TERM EXPECTATIONS

1 minute ago, olderschoolcfc said:

YOU CANT DO A LONG TERM BUILD AND HAVE SHORT TERM EXPECTATIONS

Why not.

Its called incremental development.

In fact nowadays there is a whole new industry that has been dreamt up with Agile projects, and scrum masters all over the bl00dy place measuring incremental development. Can't get away from the stuff.

Of course we can have short term and medium term expectations.

For a manager at just over the first quarter of a two year tenure we should have some expectation for an element of structure, organisation and expected pattern and direction. He is 25% into his project and is still playing players out of position and sometimes regardless of fitness levels. THere were numerous questions raised why he persisted with playing Chilwell at LW and Colwill at LB.

I appreciate patience, i get the longer term project but i think it is not unreasonable to question the calamitous way most of our matches turn out.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

There were numerous questions raised why he persisted with playing Chilwell at LW and Colwill at LB.

To be fair, I think the last two games might have all those questions fairly well covered !

How is a scrum master/ or agile project translated into sport, specifically football? these work in corporate, but do they translate for sport? How can you implement plans when all your senior players get injured? 

pointing a new manager will simple reset the club again, put it back six months again... were no longer the club we were under roman, change your optics

 

 

32 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

To be fair, I think the last two games might have all those questions fairly well covered !

I know. Chilwell has been disappointingly shocking.

Looks like he's safe for now guys, reports say he's still scheduled to do the press conference for the Villa game. I don't think they will sack him unless we drop a few more places and even then they will be stuck in their ways because they know they look bad now especially after 3 sackings in 2 years.

I don't care about Pochettino getting rid of him will only fix some issues. I have said it for a long while now the Brighton men have to leave they built this team and for 2 seasons they have been trash. No coach will succeed with these two as sporting directors. Boehly and Co have blood on their hands.

5 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

How is a scrum master/ or agile project translated into sport, specifically football? these work in corporate, but do they translate for sport? How can you implement plans when all your senior players get injured? 

pointing a new manager will simple reset the club again, put it back six months again... were no longer the club we were under roman, change your optics

 

 

The principle still applies. Surely it is fair and correct to question this long term build if there are no apparent incremental steps of development towards that goal when we are over a quarter of the way there. We cannot continually keep losing football matches over and over again.

Still no sign of the traditional post-match comments from the manager in club channels. Holding out hope there's a reason for that.

14 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

The principle still applies. Surely it is fair and correct to question this long term build if there are no apparent incremental steps of development towards that goal when we are over a quarter of the way there. We cannot continually keep losing football matches over and over again.

I remember the pre Roman days and no success so im not really that bothered about the current predicament - football is cyclical, we had twenty fantastic years and they'l come back around or won't. Not going to lose any sleep over it. 

I dont know, a team not in a relegation battle or not flirting with one is an improvement on last season, we may well yet finish with more points than last season and a team of youngsters thrown together in under 18 months and managed by the current manager for less than 8. We have signed some good players, Palmer the new Hazard for me and we just need to start building around the positives little shoots that have emerged. 

but I think my views are wasted here as most simply want immediate success, to be competing with City, and challenging for trophies because its what some of our fan base only know. 

Wasted enough time on here already this week so enjoy rolling around in self aggregating misery. 

Mauricio Pochettino is considering a switch to a three-man defence in a desperate bid to salvage Chelsea’s season.

[@NizaarKinsella]
 

Potentially might work as we are easy to get at. 

15 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Still no sign of the traditional post-match comments from the manager in club channels. Holding out hope there's a reason for that.

That's not true.

Screenshot from the web site : 

3 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I remember the pre Roman days and no success so im not really that bothered about the current predicament - football is cyclical, we had twenty fantastic years and they'l come back around or won't. Not going to lose any sleep over it. 

I dont know, a team not in a relegation battle or not flirting with one is an improvement on last season, we may well yet finish with more points than last season and a team of youngsters thrown together in under 18 months and managed by the current manager for less than 8. We have signed some good players, Palmer the new Hazard for me and we just need to start building around the positives little shoots that have emerged. 

but I think my views are wasted here as most simply want immediate success, to be competing with City, and challenging for trophies because its what some of our fan base only know. 

Wasted enough time on here already this week so enjoy rolling around in self aggregating misery. 

I'm in the same boat to a certain extent.

Certainly remember a time before Roman where success was a bonus rather than an expectation. It was still a lot of fun at the same time.

However, I think the last 20 years has made most of us spoilt and I'm hoping we can find a way to maintain and be in the upper echelons of English and European football.

Don't stop posting. Always appreciate differing views.

45 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

I remember the pre Roman days and no success so im not really that bothered about the current predicament - football is cyclical, we had twenty fantastic years and they'l come back around or won't. Not going to lose any sleep over it. 

I dont know, a team not in a relegation battle or not flirting with one is an improvement on last season, we may well yet finish with more points than last season and a team of youngsters thrown together in under 18 months and managed by the current manager for less than 8. We have signed some good players, Palmer the new Hazard for me and we just need to start building around the positives little shoots that have emerged. 

but I think my views are wasted here as most simply want immediate success, to be competing with City, and challenging for trophies because its what some of our fan base only know. 

Wasted enough time on here already this week so enjoy rolling around in self aggregating misery. 

I get what you're saying and being a fan since 1972, i know all about how bloody awful it has previously been, crossing everything that we got a really tough FA Cup draw so as not to be humiliated again by some minnow and have to run the gauntlet from all my mates.

Pre Roman we didn't think our fortunes would ever change despite Ken Bates' best effort to run Cabra out of town. Miles away from ever being able to compete against the Arsenals, Liverpools, Man Utds. But its still always been a results business. Whether Hurst, Hollins, Porterfield or Webb, it still ultimately about the results, regardless of the project. Okay so with Eddie Mac it may have been over a company car but generally its about results (and that was a young team to break the mould!)

And of course in this new world of football entertainment the costs involved for the punters gives them the feeling that they have the right to question the direction being taken and the reults. Its not about paying my money to get in the shed (after being frisked by the old bill at the turnstiles of course)and then, now and again, paying a bit extra for a transfer to the benches and the possibility of getting piles. Nowadays, the ticket prices, mechandise, replica kits, TV subscriptions, emotional blackmail for the kids. Its a major commitment and bonding now between club and fans. That's what they want, a captive, paying audience. In that environment then questions will be raised in all corners when under performance and lack of direction is evident.

3 hours ago, cfr95 said:

Would any coach in their right mind be interested?

17 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Belle?

Either or both would be good enough.

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

I know. Chilwell has been disappointingly shocking.

In the past Chilwell has had his best games for us as a wing back in a back 5. I'd say the same with Reece. Recalling our first game of the season, we had Reece and Chilwell as wing backs with Disasi, Thiago, and Colwill in the middle. Both our wing backs impressed in that game. Chilwell definitely doesn't look the same player as a conventional full back and I suspect Reece is the same. I really think we should consider going back to the 5 at the back the way we started the season.

1 hour ago, JM7 said:

Mauricio Pochettino is considering a switch to a three-man defence in a desperate bid to salvage Chelsea’s season.

[@NizaarKinsella]
 

Potentially might work as we are easy to get at. 

Given Gallagher is untouchable who gets dropped to make this happen? Enzo or Caicedo?

18 minutes ago, forbzy said:

In the past Chilwell has had his best games for us as a wing back in a back 5. I'd say the same with Reece. Recalling our first game of the season, we had Reece and Chilwell as wing backs with Disasi, Thiago, and Colwill in the middle. Both our wing backs impressed in that game. Chilwell definitely doesn't look the same player as a conventional full back and I suspect Reece is the same. I really think we should consider going back to the 5 at the back the way we started the season.

Doubtful that Gusto or Chilwell have the legs for a full game at wing back right now, so who are the back ups  ?

16 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Doubtful that Gusto or Chilwell have the legs for a full game at wing back right now, so who are the back ups  ?

Sterling, Mudryk, Madueke. Take your pick  ;)

20 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Given Gallagher is untouchable who gets dropped to make this happen? Enzo or Caicedo?

Poch would likely drop an attacker in the front 3 for Gallagher. 

 

Just now, axman2526 said:

Sterling, Mudryk, Madueke. Take your pick  ;)

Ah, so having to play someone put of position due to injuries ! That's not very popular on here LOL

Just now, Sexyfootball said:

Ah, so having to play someone put of position due to injuries ! That's not very popular on here LOL

We have Boniface at LB/LWB and Olise at RB/RWB in the academy. 

So sick of playing players out of position. United, Liverpool, and City have no qualms calling up someone from the academy to fill in. 

5 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Poch would likely drop an attacker in the front 3 for Gallagher. 

 

So Gallagher, Sterling and one of Palmer or Nkunku up top then?

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

So Gallagher, Sterling and one of Palmer or Nkunku up top then?

I'm telling you right now. If we line 3 at the back against Villa, it will be one of Gallagher or Enzo in the attacking 3.