20 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Sounds like a load of mumbo jumbo BS....

We have to keep things simple and straightforward. I have been a huge advocate for patience on here - but we are seeing very few rewards or progression. We still have no identity or cohesion to our game. I would be ok with losing week in week out if we were seeing some progression. But we are not. There is nothing identifiable by what Poch is doing. 

I think poch is clearly in trouble and not doing good enough job but if you can’t see how we are playing then it is on you because it is so obvious. 

The pattern on final 3rd,build up pattern, the pressing structure all so obvious 

Edited March 4, 20242 yr by Bob stark

On 02/03/2024 at 17:46, Sexyfootball said:

Also worth bearing in mind that it took Potter three years to build the foundation for the system and patterns of play at Brighton that they are now lauded for ... and that was three years of real average stuff in terms of league position and goal scoring ... 15th, 16th and 9th ... 39, 40 and 42 goals. 

"Time and patience" 

Very occasionally you see some sort of step change overnight (Emery at Villa being the most recent example) but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. Typically it is all about having the right players at the right time that a manager can work with. Many of our expensive acquisitions clearly have talent, but most are really young. In two or three years they'll have improved dramatically, developed stamina and fitness as they mature, and whoever is the manager at that point will reap the benefit. 

I think Pochettino is a goner, in the end of the day football is a result business. Clearly he hasn't produced good enough result. 

But as I said many times, the more important discussion for our team is player recruitment. 

So far we have signed many talented player but there isn't a plan how to put them together. 

Caicedo has been very good this season but surely you want a physical monster next to enzo. 

Jackson has exceeded my expectations this season but no PL team coming in the season playing Jackson as their nailed down starter. You want him to play on the left with the either your main guy or your plan B journeyman in the middle. 

No top team carry both Madueke n mudryk. If you want them to grow the optimal situation is to send them on loans but then you don't sign them for 100m if you want to send them on loan. 

 

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4D7PlosrEh/?igsh=YTZkZ2x4MDBxcWhk

It is Manchester derby and all that jazz but we actually did a lot better than United at the Etihad. Maybe Pochettino should get some points for how he coached the team.

In term of who should we get as next manager, this is where it get very complicated. 

We need a manager who is willing to work with young player. So you can remove the like of TT/Mou from the list straight away. 

Alonso is probably everyone no 1 choice but no chance alonso will pick us over Bayern/Pool. Furthermore, not sure he will be happy if he say we  need a st and our board say we already have Fofana. 

A lot of fans here like de zerbi ball but I saw an interview where he complained about being forced to play young player in brighton, that is not a good sign. 

Inzaghi is another popular choice but Inter is a ready made team not sure how that will translate to this team. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4D7PlosrEh/?igsh=YTZkZ2x4MDBxcWhk

It is Manchester derby and all that jazz but we actually did a lot better than United at the Etihad. Maybe Pochettino should get some points for how he coached the team.

Yeah, let's get the bunting out and have a street party for Poch because we didn't get absolutely walloped by Man City.

Manager of the f**king year isn't he?

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Yeah, let's get the bunting out and have a street party for Poch because we didn't get absolutely walloped by Man City.

Manager of the f**king year isn't he?

What an amazing and constructive post. Hats off to you sir.

12 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Actually the 5th PL game of the season we've played with 3 at the back

2 whole days LMFAO

Are you serious? Hahaha 

24 minutes ago, evissy said:

What an amazing and constructive post. Hats off to you sir.

Thank you sir.

2 hours ago, evissy said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/C4D7PlosrEh/?igsh=YTZkZ2x4MDBxcWhk

It is Manchester derby and all that jazz but we actually did a lot better than United at the Etihad. Maybe Pochettino should get some points for how he coached the team.

To be fair, our draw against City only looks better because Haaland had a stinker and Disasi got lucky with the tackles. On another day, that scoreline would have been so different.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mauricio-pochettino-message-fans-b1142852.html

 

 

23 minutes ago, Girish said:

To be fair, our draw against City only looks better because Haaland had a stinker and Disasi got lucky with the tackles. On another day, that scoreline would have been so different.

You can find these gray areas in every football game. I didn't watch the Manc derby but maybe City could have won 7-1. 

11 hours ago, timetowaste said:

I blame the manager for being in charge for 7/8 months and tactically still looking like we're in pre-season. The players definitely need to bare some of the responsibility but if Poch still can't get us looking like a cohesive unit after this long then he's failed his job, simple as that.

I`m starting to think he is Poch`s mam.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

What an amazing and constructive post. Hats off to you sir.

Quite sad how negative all our so-called "supporters" are.

Especially the ones who were moaning about other people being negative a few months back and are now just as bad, if not worse.

Thank god the manager and the team haven't followed their "example" in giving up, and are working hard to do better. 

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mauricio-pochettino-message-fans-b1142852.html

 

 

Good manager tactic trying to take the blame and heat off players who have been routinely abused by the fanbase for the past two seasons... 

 

Right... 

Let's work through another very large shadow hanging over our club. 

How many points will the club have taken off them should we be found to have breached FFP? lets say 20... How many of the fans will turn up to watch us in the championship? I'll still go... wave at the fair-weather glory seekers. 

Who will be to blame for the breach of FFP? It cant be our new owners, the players aren't to blame because most have been moved on, It most won't be Poch because he came at the start of the season... 

Blame will have to be pointed at Roman. 

5 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Right... 

Let's work through another very large shadow hanging over our club. 

How many points will the club have taken off them should we be found to have breached FFP? lets say 20... How many of the fans will turn up to watch us in the championship? I'll still go... wave at the fair-weather glory seekers. 

Who will be to blame for the breach of FFP? It cant be our new owners, the players aren't to blame because most have been moved on, It most won't be Poch because he came at the start of the season... 

Blame will have to be pointed at Roman. 

Let's hope that doesn't happen

Going to be hard to fund a forum that only has half a dozen posters LOL

 

25 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Quite sad how negative all our so-called "supporters" are.

Especially the ones who were moaning about other people being negative a few months back and are now just as bad, if not worse.

Thank god the manager and the team haven't followed their "example" in giving up, and are working hard to do better. 

Put it this way, we can all agree that we are nowhere near the level we should be right now, so there are 3 things you can blame; the manager, the owners or the players or maybe a mixture of all.
 

My personal view is that we are a few tweaks away from becoming title challengers in the next couple of years, which includes hiring a top manager and 2/3 top players, especially a striker. To me, that's positive because you can look it at through the lens of some of the people here which is were the worst team in the league, almost every player is a flop and the owners are running the club into the ground. I don't think that's true, I think most of the players are good enough and the owners, while they've made mistakes along the way, have shown they're ambitious enough to want to get us challenging at the top.

But what I will not do is have Poch and the 'Poch in' crowd piss on my head and tell me it's raining. He has been a disastrous appointment for us in every way and I'm not going to be labelled a doom monger for pointing out that fact.

28 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Good manager tactic trying to take the blame and heat off players who have been routinely abused by the fanbase for the past two seasons...

Not really seeing as its Poch who is getting the criticism anyway - he's not taking heat off of anyone.

Roman was very manager-oriented. More than most owners I would say. We have learned that from him. Managers come and go. No one else is in danger. I feel that was his little quirk. 

Maybe we start to see the club as a whole with the new ownership. Coach/manager is just one cog and every department needs to live and breathe the same air and go to the same direction all the time. 

If you look at any other top sporting club we are probably the weird one in terms of coaches. There have been clubs that done it too (Dortmund, Red Bull clubs...) but we have made it a Chelsea thing under Roman. 

Now as soon as we as fans smell the coach/manager is in danger we start preparing ourselves for that and to prevent us from further heartbreak we decide he should go anyway so it won't blindside us 🤣🤣

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

Put it this way, we can all agree that we are nowhere near the level we should be right now, so there are 3 things you can blame; the manager, the owners or the players or maybe a mixture of all.
 

My personal view is that we are a few tweaks away from becoming title challengers in the next couple of years, which includes hiring a top manager and 2/3 top players, especially a striker. To me, that's positive because you can look it at through the lens of some of the people here which is were the worst team in the league, almost every player is a flop and the owners are running the club into the ground. I don't think that's true, I think most of the players are good enough and the owners, while they've made mistakes along the way, have shown they're ambitious enough to want to get us challenging at the top.

But what I will not do is have Poch and the 'Poch in' crowd piss on my head and tell me it's raining. He has been a disastrous appointment for us in every way and I'm not going to be labelled a doom monger for pointing out that fact.

Why do you have to blame anyone ? Why can't you simply offer support and encouragement to the players/coaches/club ? 

Everyone said at the start of the season that we had a young and inexperienced squad that would need time ... so what's changed ?

If anything, you need to allow even more time because in the 37 games we've had to date, in 31 of them we've had 8-12 players out, and in all of them at least 5 ... probably not been able to field more than 5 or 6 of our "best" team all season ... Manchester United just lost their striker and immediately had back-to-back defeats. It's what happens when you don't have your best players available. Nothing new or rocket science here. Look at Arsenal last year when Saliba got injured ... or Klopp a few seasons back when he was missing Van Dijk, losing 6 home games in a row ... 

I don't feel strongly about Pochettino one way or the other (have ticked on the fence in both polls) but what I can recognise is a set of circumstances that make the job nigh on impossible, so I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who has a decent track record as a manager at every club he's ever been at, and give him more time. 

 

43 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Put it this way, we can all agree that we are nowhere near the level we should be right now, so there are 3 things you can blame; the manager, the owners or the players or maybe a mixture of all.
 

My personal view is that we are a few tweaks away from becoming title challengers in the next couple of years, which includes hiring a top manager and 2/3 top players, especially a striker. To me, that's positive because you can look it at through the lens of some of the people here which is were the worst team in the league, almost every player is a flop and the owners are running the club into the ground. I don't think that's true, I think most of the players are good enough and the owners, while they've made mistakes along the way, have shown they're ambitious enough to want to get us challenging at the top.

But what I will not do is have Poch and the 'Poch in' crowd piss on my head and tell me it's raining. He has been a disastrous appointment for us in every way and I'm not going to be labelled a doom monger for pointing out that fact.

I don't like criticising the owners, they have put their money down big time and they have backed a vision of young players. You can say it's all about earning a return but no-one buys a football club like chelsea just as a money making machine. At least not in my opinion. There are generally many safer investments. The strategy could never have been designed to pay off in the first year, but equally its probably fallen well short of the plan. That happens often enough in life. As we all know you only find out about character when things go awry. Next season we will know whether the owners have character or not.

Nevertheless just like the players the owners have to learn the hard way and in my opinion they have made two major mistakes. 

(1) Getting sold a bill of goods buying long term injured players. These are guys that would be absolute world beaters if they were ever on the pitch for long enough; and 

(2) Not doing a good job on identifying the right manager for this squad at this time. Frankly, earnestly speaking Poch was an easy mistake to make. He done ok without winning anything ( unfairly I don't count PSG winning in France as anything)  and he was supposed to be good with young players. But the owners should have done better. 

Of the two mistakes it's much easier and cheaper to fix the wrong manager than the injured players. Hopefully next time the owners will make a good selection. Probably that will be next season because there is hardly anything to be gained by changing this season. The chances of getting to Europe this year are very low. Personally I thought the first year target was top 4, but I didn't reckon with Nkunku, Chukwumeka and Lavia being out the entire season. But certainly getting to Europe would have been a reasonable target. So I am guessing the owners' project is about a year behind schedule. Just have to put up Poch for another 12-14 games and hope the squad can get some belief as opposed to motivation as to what can be done next season. 

Edited March 4, 20242 yr by ozboy

18 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Put it this way, we can all agree that we are nowhere near the level we should be right now, so there are 3 things you can blame; the manager, the owners or the players or maybe a mixture of all.
 

My personal view is that we are a few tweaks away from becoming title challengers in the next couple of years, which includes hiring a top manager and 2/3 top players, especially a striker. To me, that's positive because you can look it at through the lens of some of the people here which is were the worst team in the league, almost every player is a flop and the owners are running the club into the ground. I don't think that's true, I think most of the players are good enough and the owners, while they've made mistakes along the way, have shown they're ambitious enough to want to get us challenging at the top.

But what I will not do is have Poch and the 'Poch in' crowd piss on my head and tell me it's raining. He has been a disastrous appointment for us in every way and I'm not going to be labelled a doom monger for pointing out that fact.

How has he been disastrous? What is a disaster in CFC recent history? was it being sanctioned and nearly put out of business for having a dodgy benefactor in Roman, was it the fact that we sold an entire first team squad? was it players being signed by a board and no input from the manager? was it being managed by our 4th manager in two seasons? What would you have done differently? 

 

Like you I dont think we're far away from being really competitive again. but I do think fans just need to give the players and manager more time, room and space to play and constant sniping and moaning or pointing the finger doesn't help. When the bridge rocks, it's next level. lets get back to that... 

2 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mauricio-pochettino-message-fans-b1142852.html

 

 

We are mate. Read the room!

14 minutes ago, olderschoolcfc said:

How has he been disastrous? What is a disaster in CFC recent history? was it being sanctioned and nearly put out of business for having a dodgy benefactor in Roman, was it the fact that we sold an entire first team squad? was it players being signed by a board and no input from the manager? was it being managed by our 4th manager in two seasons? What would you have done differently? 

 

Like you I dont think we're far away from being really competitive again. but I do think fans just need to give the players and manager more time, room and space to play and constant sniping and moaning or pointing the finger doesn't help. When the bridge rocks, it's next level. lets get back to that... 

its disastrous in terms of the role he has personally played, he was given a job to improve our young players and improve our league position, he has done neither of it. Along the way he's also played mostly boring football, badly managed the fitness of the squad despite no European football, racked up dozens of injuries and accumulated the third least number of points in the second half of the game, ahead of only Sheffield United and Burnley. Correct me if I'm wrong but one of the manager's key jobs is game management, yet after every half time we are consistently awful.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Why do you have to blame anyone ? Why can't you simply offer support and encouragement to the players/coaches/club ? 

Everyone said at the start of the season that we had a young and inexperienced squad that would need time ... so what's changed ?

If anything, you need to allow even more time because in the 37 games we've had to date, in 31 of them we've had 8-12 players out, and in all of them at least 5 ... probably not been able to field more than 5 or 6 of our "best" team all season ... Manchester United just lost their striker and immediately had back-to-back defeats. It's what happens when you don't have your best players available. Nothing new or rocket science here. Look at Arsenal last year when Saliba got injured ... or Klopp a few seasons back when he was missing Van Dijk, losing 6 home games in a row ... 

I don't feel strongly about Pochettino one way or the other (have ticked on the fence in both polls) but what I can recognise is a set of circumstances that make the job nigh on impossible, so I'm prepared to give the benefit of the doubt to a guy who has a decent track record as a manager at every club he's ever been at, and give him more time. 

 

But why would you stand aside and criticise an underperforming team? We have a young team which is why I don't expect us to be winning the league yet, but should be we be doing a lot better? Yes, with the team we have we should be pushing for top 4. We don't have worse players than Brighton, Wolves, West Ham and some others that are ahead of us, therefore we are underachieving, so why would we not try and pinpoint the reasons for it?