4 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

Sacking the last three managers has or hasn't worked? with each manager we saw a bounce into the top 4 did we? patterns of play improved? our defence tighten? we saw play improve did we? the team played like a team or as individuals? the club suddenly shot up the league table and we qualified for European football? we saw all that under tuchel/Potter and Lamps? Did we progress last season? We won games against all the lower ranked sides right and qualified for the Champions League? 

We are outside top 5 contention, we are in united position. 

The "problems" many moaners are having won't go away with a new manager, they'll just be transferred onto the new manager and in six months times you will get out the broken record players and start scratching out the same tunes. Win lose or draw, you guys will find something to complain bitterly about. 

Levekusen had 6 managers in 5 years until they found Alonso, then a lot of their "problems" suddenly went away. I don't understand how we of all supporters can question the difference good coaching can make.

7 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Depends on what's the criteria of a well coached team, whether it's able to put 30 passes together or some slick set pieces move, or actually getting results and move up the table.

Any manager comes in will carry a big risk due to the current recruitment model, realistically the best thing is Poch started to get a string and good results and buy himself another year. So far, he hasn't helped his own case that well.

The one time Poch profiled these players correct we smashed the team in 4th in their own stadium.

Will a new manager have us challenging for the title? No, but I don't believe for one second this squad is 11th place quality or can't perform a build up properly when you have Enzo bloody Fernandez.

The Athletic YouTube channel has a very good video called " when will Chelsea be good again" 

The Athletics Chelsea reporter is on the panel too , it's well worth a watch.

I would link it, but I'm too incompetent!

I won't spoil it by revealing the answer to the question in the video title 😂

32 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

The Athletic YouTube channel has a very good video called " when will Chelsea be good again" 

The Athletics Chelsea reporter is on the panel too , it's well worth a watch.

I would link it, but I'm too incompetent!

I won't spoil it by revealing the answer to the question in the video title 😂

I've posted the video on the Todd Boehly and Co buy Chelsea thread 

10 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

The Athletic YouTube channel has a very good video called " when will Chelsea be good again" 

The Athletics Chelsea reporter is on the panel too , it's well worth a watch.

I would link it, but I'm too incompetent!

I won't spoil it by revealing the answer to the question in the video title 😂

I only watch the conclusion but if you analyze our team, it is quite obvious. I have been saying the same thing 😁😁😁

The signing as individual is good, but there is very little plan on how all of these players will fit together. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 7, 20242 yr by Bob stark

4 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I only watch the conclusion but if you analyze our team, it is quite obvious. I have been saying the same thing 😁😁😁

The signing as individual is good, but there is very little plan on how all of these players will fit together. 

 

 

 

 

 

Which players would you keep and which would you change Bob, and for whom? Obviously we need a striker, but what else are your thoughts?

19 hours ago, Argo said:

Levekusen had 6 managers in 5 years until they found Alonso, then a lot of their "problems" suddenly went away. I don't understand how we of all supporters can question the difference good coaching can make.

And Alonso will most probably leave and let them back to their managerial merry-go-round. 

Our young side needs stability and constant development. 

2 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Which players would you keep and which would you change Bob, and for whom? Obviously we need a striker, but what else are your thoughts?

It all depend on what do we want to achieve. 

16 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

It all depend on what do we want to achieve. 

I would say top 4 qualification next season.

1 hour ago, evissy said:

And Alonso will most probably leave and let them back to their managerial merry-go-round.  

And? They're almost certainly going to get a title they wouldn't be seeing under probably anyone else.

Pretty sure that beats the "stability" his predecessor could offer.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

And? They're almost certainly going to get a title they wouldn't be seeing under probably anyone else.

Pretty sure that beats the "stability" his predecessor could offer.

So we should try Alonso then? Is that what our young and under huge expections -squad needs? Maybe...

Managerial career

2018–2019

Real Madrid U14

2019–2022

Real Sociedad B

2022–

Bayer Leverkusen

 

5 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

I would say top 4 qualification next season.

This could be a good target if we succeed in the transfer market..that means we basically pip MU, Tottenham and Aston Villa in the table. It is doable but we need a healthy squad and probably some more experience from the market. Everything needs to go well for us to achieve 4th.

With Klopp leaving this summer and Pep shortly following after, it leaves the entire league wide open. 

We need to be in a good position as a club for when that day does arrive. 

So more injuries this weekend. How anyone can expect Poch to succeed in these conditions is beyond me. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

So we should try Alonso then? Is that what our young and under huge expections -squad needs? Maybe...

Managerial career

2018–2019

Real Madrid U14

2019–2022

Real Sociedad B

2022–

Bayer Leverkusen

 

What I do know beyond any doubt is that we shouldn't just stick with underperforming managers showing zero signs of improvement for the sake of stability (which is actually as far from stability as it's possible to get).

If the next one is sh*t sack him and go again and keep going until we find/stumble across the right one like Levekusen did, managers are replaceable employees not adoptions.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

What I do know beyond any doubt is that we shouldn't just stick with underperforming managers showing zero signs of improvement for the sake of stability (which is actually as far from stability as it's possible to get).

If the next one is sh*t sack him and go again and keep going until we find/stumble across the right one like Levekusen did, managers are replaceable employees not adoptions.

Roman followed that model. But its a little trickier now with financial rules in place. Management teams cost a fair bit to hire/fire.

13 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Roman followed that model. But its a little trickier now with financial rules in place. Management teams cost a fair bit to hire/fire.

Changing manager every season is not a big deal as long as there is a plan in term of squad building. 

46 minutes ago, mojo said:

A team with Lukaku and Dybala up front beat a team with Danny Welbeck up front, it's not a huge surprise

 

The actual stats of the game (11 shots to 14, 60% possession) don't look that one sided either. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I still think De Zerbi would shine with a top 6/top 4 level squad like ours.

1 hour ago, Bob stark said:

Changing manager every season is not a big deal as long as there is a plan in term of squad building. 

But paying 10m+ to change manager every season also impacts the budget available for squad building. Especially as every new manager usually has different players that they prefer in their systems. Not an issue when cost is not under consideration but much less practical with new rules.

13 hours ago, Argo said:

What I do know beyond any doubt is that we shouldn't just stick with underperforming managers showing zero signs of improvement for the sake of stability (which is actually as far from stability as it's possible to get).

If the next one is sh*t sack him and go again and keep going until we find/stumble across the right one like Levekusen did, managers are replaceable employees not adoptions.

we won our last league title nearly 8 years ago. we've had 8 managers since then...  How many years are you prepared to stumbling along? 

 

 

1 hour ago, olderschoolcfc said:

we won our last league title nearly 8 years ago. we've had 8 managers since then...  How many years are you prepared to stumbling along? 

I kind if think we are a Cup team bar getting an exceptional manager like Mourinho in his prime that can bring in his own players.

You are right that even RA was restricted by FFP in his later years and so we were unable to challenge for a title. 

2 hours ago, olderschoolcfc said:

we won our last league title nearly 8 years ago. we've had 8 managers since then...  How many years are you prepared to stumbling along? 

 

 

Yeah, we can try new things to see if the outcome improves or we can stick with something we know doesn't work and stumble along for 8 more years without challenging. It works both ways.

11 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

A team with Lukaku and Dybala up front beat a team with Danny Welbeck up front, it's not a huge surprise

 

The actual stats of the game (11 shots to 14, 60% possession) don't look that one sided either. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I still think De Zerbi would shine with a top 6/top 4 level squad like ours.

But we aren't a top 6/ top 4 side though. In position and in team profile. We aspire and hope the supposed talents can translate us into that. 

But the talent alone doesn't qualify us as such. 

11 hours ago, Drogba1 said:

A team with Lukaku and Dybala up front beat a team with Danny Welbeck up front, it's not a huge surprise

 

The actual stats of the game (11 shots to 14, 60% possession) don't look that one sided either. 

 

Maybe I'm wrong, but I still think De Zerbi would shine with a top 6/top 4 level squad like ours.

Brighton were schooled, throughout, tbf