On 13/03/2024 at 19:28, Sconnie Blue said:

Well, it’s about a vote of confidence really. Achieving top 6 would mean a consistent run of wins & improvement on performances, something we have yet to see this season. Do you believe Poch can do that? I don’t. 

 
Let’s be frank. The chance for a trophy is over. 

I'm not saying I do. We have managed 20 points from our last 11 league games, and with a similar return from our final 11 we might scrape Europa spot. FA Cup is hard to predict but I recent visits to Wembley don't inspire confidence. 

Either way though, in the situation where we surprise you and either win the FA Cup or make top 6, does Poch get another season? I would say he probably would.

7 hours ago, forbzy said:

I'm not saying I do. We have managed 20 points from our last 11 league games, and with a similar return from our final 11 we might scrape Europa spot. FA Cup is hard to predict but I recent visits to Wembley don't inspire confidence. 

Either way though, in the situation where we surprise you and either win the FA Cup or make top 6, does Poch get another season? I would say he probably would.

If we finish in a european place and make a good go of it in the fa cup and I think he's earned another season. Also depends on the relationship with his players, im sure the ownership will ask them how its going and if its positive then he should get another season.

Edited March 15, 20242 yr by Sheva

10 hours ago, forbzy said:

I'm not saying I do. We have managed 20 points from our last 11 league games, and with a similar return from our final 11 we might scrape Europa spot. FA Cup is hard to predict but I recent visits to Wembley don't inspire confidence. 

Either way though, in the situation where we surprise you and either win the FA Cup or make top 6, does Poch get another season? I would say he probably would.

I think Europa League qualification warrants him another season. Be it finishing 7th or winning the FA Cup. 

For us to finish 7th, we would need a consistent run. A consistent run would include better performances and better in-game management. 

Making us believe these players aren’t good enough under his management. 

Tired of repeating myself at this point, so I won't.

I have been going to Chelsea for over 40 years and have to say when poch took mudryk off it went into toxic overdrive. The fans are not having poch now and it’s like it was under FSW 

On 15/03/2024 at 12:52, Sconnie Blue said:

I think Europa League qualification warrants him another season. Be it finishing 7th or winning the FA Cup. 

For us to finish 7th, we would need a consistent run. A consistent run would include better performances and better in-game management. 

this. but damn the standards have dropped massively....

 

Just now, Andy2461 said:

I have been going to Chelsea for over 40 years and have to say when poch took mudryk off it went into toxic overdrive. The fans are not having poch now and it’s like it was under FSW 

hes dug his own grave doing that.

Defend him or not, I don't even care. Simply put he is just a bang average manager that has no business at a top club. Clueless tactically, in game management is horrendous and overall one of the worst managers we've had.

Credit to Poch for reaching the Semi final of both domestic cups

and credit to Poch for achieving  the unique feat of bringing on two subs who score, winning the game and still being criticised for his in game management.

12 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Credit to Poch for reaching the Semi final of both domestic cups

and credit to Poch for achieving  the unique feat of bringing on two subs who score, winning the game and still being criticised for his in game management.

We've only faced championship sides outside of villa, and we've needed a last minute goal and a red card to get past Leeds and Leicester 

 

We have good players, but a bang average manager. A good coach walks into top 4 with this lot

3 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We've only faced championship sides outside of villa, and we've needed a last minute goal and a red card to get past Leeds and Leicester 

 

We have good players, but a bang average manager. A good coach walks into top 4 with this lot

I'd even go as far as to say this squad is better than what we had in 2022 (minus Kante who was barely playing)

It’s like being praised for beating up a toddler when it took you 5 minutes instead of the expected 39 seconds. 😂

1 minute ago, Sconnie Blue said:

It’s like being praised for beating up a toddler when it took you 5 minutes instead of the expected 39 seconds. 😂

In my defence I was protecting my face from her dangerous left jab

38 minutes ago, Conte said:

this. but damn the standards have dropped massively....

 

Yeah like 95% of the fanbase didn't go nuts over rightly sacking managers while 9th and 16th "when we had standards".

You can't legislate for the brain farts defensively so you can't put that on Poch.

But the penalty issue shows a lack of direction, organisation and discipline from the top, something Poch was lauded as being great at. I shudder to think what Jose in his pomp would have made of all that.

Sterling then goes on to have a bit of a horror show, the assist aside. Again Pochettino's reading of the atmosphere was shocking. Whilst I have never particularly rated Sterling booing your own player whilst on the pitch is a no-no and a throwback to earlier times when I was at the White Wall. Not managing that situation and hooking a player who was clearly suffering from poor forrm is down to him.

I don't think the substitutions were masterstrokes as I think those opportunities were available throughout, I.e I think Mudryk could just as easily have won us the game. Really pleased for Carney, Jackson and Noni, all who had confidence boosting contributions but we somehow contrived to suck out the confidence from this game and made us the party poopers again

Edited March 17, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

15 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

We have good players, but a bang average manager. A good coach walks into top 4 with this lot

Not sure how you can say that.

Poch walked into the top 4 plenty of times at Spurs 

The majority of our squad have never shown anything in their careers to suggest they can play at that standard.

1 minute ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Not sure how you can say that.

Poch walked into the top 4 plenty of times at Spurs 

The majority of our squad have never shown anything in their careers to suggest they can play at that standard.

Not often we agree but I'm fully with you on this one.  This squad isn't remotely top four class.  I'd say Gusto and  Palmer definitely are. Fully fit James is.

Chilwell,  Caciedo and Enzo possibly  but not on their form this season. 

The rest. Nope.

4 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

Not sure how you can say that.

Poch walked into the top 4 plenty of times at Spurs 

The majority of our squad have never shown anything in their careers to suggest they can play at that standard.

Yeah that was when Poch was one of the modern managers, since then he's been overtook and has simply not adapted. If we had that Poch we'd probably be in or around the top four.

Funnily enough most of that Spurs squad he inherited "never shown anything" before he coached them into a regular top four side.

7 minutes ago, loz said:

Not often we agree but I'm fully with you on this one.  This squad isn't remotely top four class.  I'd say Gusto and  Palmer definitely are. Fully fit James is.

Chilwell,  Caciedo and Enzo possibly  but not on their form this season. 

The rest. Nope.

Compare the 2022 squads and the 2024 squads, I'll line them both up in a 3-4-3 to make it easier

 

Mendy

James-Chalobah-Silva-Rudiger-Chilwell

Kante-Jorginho

Mount-Havertz-Werner

 

Petrovic

Gusto-James-Disasi-Colwill-Chilwell

Enzo-Caicedo

Palmer-Jackson-Mudryk

 

The only area where 2022 is significantly better is defence, and the 2024 attack is quite a bit better (Palmer>>>>Mount, Jackson>Havertz). Kante is a a lot better than Caicedo but he was barely playing in 2022. 

 

Yet one squad finished 3rd (whilst having both wing backs injured, and a sanctions fiasco), and the other squad is 11th.

 

Does anyone seriously think Tuchel would have failed to get top 4 with this squad? We don't even have European games to deal with this season.

 

9 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

Compare the 2022 squads and the 2024 squads, I'll line them both up in a 3-4-3 to make it easier

 

Mendy

James-Chalobah-Silva-Rudiger-Chilwell

Kante-Jorginho

Mount-Havertz-Werner

 

Petrovic

Gusto-James-Disasi-Colwill-Chilwell

Enzo-Caicedo

Palmer-Jackson-Mudryk

 

The only area where 2022 is significantly better is defence, and the 2024 attack is quite a bit better (Palmer>>>>Mount, Jackson>Havertz). Kante is a a lot better than Caicedo but he was barely playing in 2022. 

 

Yet one squad finished 3rd (whilst having both wing backs injured, and a sanctions fiasco), and the other squad is 11th.

 

Does anyone seriously think Tuchel would have failed to get top 4 with this squad? We don't even have European games to deal with this season.

 

I don't that sort of high level look at it tells enough of a story.  Yes that squad finished third, over 20 points behind 1st and 2nd and the following season plummeted.  That squad wouldn't be competing for top four this season  either. 

1 minute ago, loz said:

I don't that sort of high level look at it tells enough of a story.  Yes that squad finished third, over 20 points behind 1st and 2nd and the following season plummeted.  That squad wouldn't be competing for top four this season  either. 

The squad finished on 74 points, which is a top 4 season. Liverpool and City both finishing on 90+ isn't his fault. And that was with a massive injury crisis and the club thrown into turmoil. 

 

The following season Tuchel got 10 points from 6 games, which should've been 12 had we not got robbed against Spurs. That's about the same rate. There isn't any evidence this same kind of plummet happens if he'd stayed. At worst we'd be top 6. 

Even if a better manager couldn't get us top 4, I don't think they would have us 17 points off with this squad.

I agree with @Drogba1 This squad isn't THAT much worse than the previous one. Defence is much weaker, Rudiger is a big loss and so is Azpi's experience, even if his legs were gone in his final 2 seasons. Silva aging two more years has made it weaker too. But midfield is arguably no worse seeing as Kante was barely playing in his final few seasons and Kovacic and Jorginho were incredibly inconsistent. Our attackers are certainly better now. Palmer is better than Mount, Havertz and Werner combined, and as frustrating as the likes of Jackson, Mudryk and Madueke can be, they are no worse than the ones that left. I also think if Nkunku could get anywhere near his best again, he will be right next to Palmer in terms of quality.

The reason why we ain't closer to the top 4 is combination of inexperience and poor coaching, with the coaching being the biggest problem of the two.

Just one positive today from Pochettino, bringing Madueke on for Sterling, and he even managed to f**k this up by doing it way too late. I can’t fooking see anything positive from this manager. Playing Sanchez, why? Why? Why the f**k does he do this? Hooking off Mudryck instead of Sterling, why? Letting Sterling take the penalty over the designated penalty taker Palmer, or letting Sterling take the free kick? He’s a coward and the match going supporters (home and away) are now turning on him. All around me wondering where the f**k was he to be seen, certainly not on the technical area. And chants of “you don’t know what you doing” were directed at him when he substituted Mudryck instead of Sterling. 

He annoyed me by starting Sanchez and Sterling today and even more by leaving Sterling on for so long and taking Mudryk off.

But I still think he is doing okay(ish) and don't see better out there currently. For the remainder of the season I want to see our strongest line up in every game. Think we are playing some good attacking football currently and the games are exciting to watch. Would rather see the 3-2's and 4-2's we have lately and it's great that we are creating plenty of chances AND now scoring, which we need to do as we are unlikely to keep many clean sheets with the current defence.

When we have as we did today, Palmer, Mudryk, Mudueke, Chukwuemeka, Jackson - all flying forward in attack, supported by Gusto, Gallagher and Chilwell, you think we can cause any side problems. and we're capable of beating anyone on our day. I disagree with those saying this isn't a top four team. On our day, think we look better than all the other candidates - Spurs, Newcastle, Villa, West ham etc. It's just finding a bit more consistency and getting some defenders back from injury.