16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

No, please start. I want to see where you're headed bar the laughing emoji response. 

Answer each one. 

There's no point ... you've ignored valid considerations every other time they've been raised by multiple other posters, so I'm not wasting any more time on you.

25 minutes ago, Erik said:

Here we again. "Injuries have derailed our quest for the top 6, Pochettino would be challenging on every front were it not for our long injury list".

 

Injuries are a part of football. As if Colwill/Disasi/Badiashille aren't equally as good an option to an absent Fofana.

They might be equally as good as Fofana.

 But they're all young centre backs and not one of them has ever finished in the top 6 of the premier league so I'm not really sure what your point is.

You're expecting Poch or any manager to consistently win games at the highest level with a bunch of players that have never done it at any point in their lives.

imagine if we'd actually signed a top centre back to go along with our developing ones? Basic squad building but we could only dream of getting such basic decisions right.

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

Btw yesterday was pretty sad by some of the fans booing Sterling. Sterling didn't have a good game but the fans didn't really help. Him skying his freekick was probably directly from that. Not sure why fans boo our players.

Sterling can be criticized naturally. He is the older statesmen. But you can see fans don't like him or Poch because these men are made in rival clubs.

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by evissy

9 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

There's no point ... you've ignored valid considerations every other time they've been raised by multiple other posters, so I'm not wasting any more time on you.

Point out which valid consideration that I haven't countered? My biggest gripe with Poch is his horrible in game management, something I have brought up significantly based on not only what we see on the pitch, but the actual league table in terms of managerial proactiveness. 

 

If you are going to respond to anything, answer me this, and only this:

In the league cup final, Poch set the team up in extra time against Liverpool to defend and counter against a depleted Liverpool side with three 18-20 year olds on the pitch with hardly any experience. His excuse was that the players were tired, and then proceeded to take off our better performers to sit back and defend. 

Ten Hag, yesterday, did the exact opposite. He instructed his players to keep fighting in extra time against what was still a depleted Liverpool team, and his best performers, Garnacho and Bruno, gave their last breath in order to keep attacking Liverpool. Garnacho, by the way, has come back from injury and only trained twice, yet played the entire 120mins. Whereas Poch finds any excuse to pull our best performers early, like Mudryk yesterday. ten Hag pushed his team to the end and they got what they deserved.

 

I only wished Poch acted in the same manner at Wembley. 

 

 

Squad tax only applies if a coach is giving the team every chance of the result with a good set up.

11 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Point out which valid consideration that I haven't countered? My biggest gripe with Poch is his horrible in game management, something I have brought up significantly based on not only what we see on the pitch, but the actual league table in terms of managerial proactiveness. 

 

If you are going to respond to anything, answer me this, and only this:

In the league cup final, Poch set the team up in extra time against Liverpool to defend and counter against a depleted Liverpool side with three 18-20 year olds on the pitch with hardly any experience. His excuse was that the players were tired, and then proceeded to take off our better performers to sit back and defend. 

Ten Hag, yesterday, did the exact opposite. He instructed his players to keep fighting in extra time against what was still a depleted Liverpool team, and his best performers, Garnacho and Bruno, gave their last breath in order to keep attacking Liverpool. Garnacho, by the way, has come back from injury and only trained twice, yet played the entire 120mins. Whereas Poch finds any excuse to pull our best performers early, like Mudryk yesterday. ten Hag pushed his team to the end and they got what they deserved.

 

I only wished Poch acted in the same manner at Wembley. 

 

 

I am pretty sure Ten Hag saw us struggle against Liverpool in the extra time and he decided it was a bad idea to sit back. Might be a possibility....?

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by evissy

1 hour ago, Sheva said:

Sometimes I think we tend to forget that this team has been assembled in such a short space of time.

We have a talented group of players but a lot of them are in a new environment, new city and some a new country and have to adjust to teammates that are new themselves. There's no core group of players to join or a core management team. Everything is literally new apart from a handful of players that were here before them, they are not walking into a winning dressing room like teams before them.

While all this is happening we still have the expectations of them finishing top 4.

Poch should be doing better but this is not going to be an overnight thing and if there was ever a time for patience and getting through bad times surely this is it now?

Bang on Sheva, what most people on here keep forgetting.

We've literally thrown a bunch of new young players together, add into the factor of silly injuries, and some people on here are expecting to see us in the top 4 and smashing teams every game. 

I'm not convinced another manager comes here and gets them playing well together overnight like so many on here are. It's not a Lampard -> Tuchel situation.

 

2 minutes ago, evissy said:

I am pretty sure Ten Hag saw us struggle against Liverpool in the extra time and he decided it was a bad idea to sit back. Might be a possibility....?

99% of the world thought it was a bad idea to sit back. 

Except of course Poch. 

If we end up sacking Poch this season, some of you lot are in for rude awakening when the exact same problems keep occurring and we're not flying into the top 4/6. 

1 minute ago, Victor90 said:

If we end up sacking Poch this season, some of you lot are in for rude awakening when the exact same problems keep occurring and we're not flying into the top 4/6. 

We can go around in circles here. 

We who feel Poch isn't doing good enough feel you Poch sympathizers are in a rude awakening when we see an improvement in performances and results when a top manager comes in. Lampard/Tuchel 2.0.

 

Just now, Victor90 said:

If we end up sacking Poch this season, some of you lot are in for rude awakening when the exact same problems keep occurring and we're not flying into the top 4/6. 

They'll just continue to pretend we have a top squad and blame the next manager for not walking into the top 4 with "a billion pound squad"

Seen it with Tuchel, Potter Lampard and now Poch. Varying levels of managerial ability but It's always the manager on here.

12 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We can go around in circles here. 

We who feel Poch isn't doing good enough feel you Poch sympathizers are in a rude awakening when we see an improvement in performances and results when a top manager comes in. Lampard/Tuchel 2.0.

 

Okay, and if that happens I will happily hold my hands up and say I'm happy I'm wrong. 

I just don't think that's the case. I'm not one to undermine what Tuchel did like many on here are (like you do), but he didn't walk into a team full of kids who had never played together before. More than half of our starting XI was not here last season, that's completely unheard of. Do you think that's not going to make a significant difference or not present a tough challenge? 

Tuchel walked into a team with Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Silva, Giroud, Azpi, Rudiger, all experienced figureheads who had played together before. And our talented youth at the time in Mount, James, Pulisic, etc. Most had a season under their belt already and had shown promise under Lampard. This is completely different, we had no idea how the likes of Disasi, Palmer, Gusto, Colwill, Caicedo, Nkunku, Jackson, would do here in their first season because they weren't here before. It's a lot to take in and expect them to gel together.

You lot never consider that, you just keep looking at it on paper every single time. 

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by Victor90

18 minutes ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

They'll just continue to pretend we have a top squad and blame the next manager for not walking into the top 4 with "a billion pound squad"

Seen it with Tuchel, Potter Lampard and now Poch. Varying levels of managerial ability but It's always the manager on here.

Well yes, if the next manager plays Enzo as an auxiliary left winger then it would be on him aswell.

26 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Okay, and if that happens I will happily hold my hands up and say I'm happy I'm wrong. 

I just don't think that's the case. I'm not one to undermine what Tuchel did like many on here are (like you do), but he didn't walk into a team full of kids who had never played together before. More than half of our starting XI was not here last season, that's completely unheard of. Do you think that's not going to make a significant difference or not present a tough challenge? 

Tuchel walked into a team with Kante, Jorginho, Kovacic, Silva, Giroud, Azpi, Rudiger, all experienced figureheads who had played together before. And our talented youth at the time in Mount, James, Pulisic, etc. Most had a season under their belt already and had shown promise under Lampard. This is completely different, we had no idea how the likes of Disasi, Palmer, Gusto, Colwill, Caicedo, Nkunku, Jackson, would do here in their first season because they weren't here before. It's a lot to take in and expect them to gel together.

You lot never consider that, you just keep looking at it on paper every single time. 

We have considered that, but we are still adamant that a good manager makes all the difference.

Potter also walked into a team with almost all of the same figureheads in Kante, Jorginho, Mount, James, Pulisic, Chilwell, Kovacic, Silva, and Azpi, and we still looked terrible. We looked horrific under Lampard following Potter. Those lot played together for years and won trophies together. Not like they were whipped up yesterday. And its been 8 months under Poch now. Just how long in your books is long enough to see consistent improvement?

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We can go around in circles here. 

We who feel Poch isn't doing good enough feel you Poch sympathizers are in a rude awakening when we see an improvement in performances and results when a top manager comes in. Lampard/Tuchel 2.0.

 

Id rather go through next season with the same manager and players and see if anything develops - If the same thing happens next year, so be it, we can make a change next season. No reason to sack a manager who has the players behind him and are showing improvements... 

Jackson has been absolutely blasted on here this season... Turns out he's done pretty well stepping up in intensity and physicality of the prem... He's improved.

Palmer.. Said from day one, Big.Game.Player. he's thriving in the system poch has him playing in. 

Disasi... Sometimes a disaster, but a really likeable player with heart and passion. Christ we need it.. 

Gusto... Nuff said, going to be a huge player for us... Is it his natural talent or is he playing in a system that allows him to showcase his talent? 

Gallagher... Been an essential cog for the side. 

Caicedo... Wondered what we signed at first, but he is turning into a battleship in midfield for us, he is kicked and kicks all over the park. Again, growing into the role he's been given that is different to his use at Brighton.

Enzo... Ye to find a level of consistency.

Sterling... Yet to find consistency, defended him at the start of the season and will continue to do so while he wears the blue... Can be really frustrating but never hides and despite the boos, clapped fans when subbed.... As legend Pat Nevin said on 5live, supporters clapped him back... Not everyone is a bully or twat for booing him. 

think we're also starting to see Mudryk coming good... Noni, just love an unpredictable left footer... No one batted an eye about Robbens inability to defend or track back, made Jose go grey. 

given the injuries outside this core group which would have added to squad depth over the season, having one recognised striker in Jackson. Im happy with the way it's going so unless there is a massive drop off between now and end of the year, cant see why he wouldn't continue as manager or why the board would get rid. But then ive not spent 1 billion on redeveloping CFC and my views dont matter. 

I have no name I'd bring in right now given the gamble of breaking an emerging team spirit. 

Im sure you'll think differently. Look forward to the FA cup Semi final 

 

I think there are Poch haters and the rest. The rest are on a scale. Haters are, to me, basically irrational. 

I was at the game yesterday and vented my frustration

number 1 - the team should know before the game who’s taking the pens and free kicks

number 2 - I’m not against poch or sterling , but poch should have had a word with sterling months a go

it’s been left to the fans to conduct the in game management and since we’ve been screaming we’ve won 3 games

and drawn one .

bad substitutions - will be called out

We should have shouted at Sanchez when he went for a walk !

 

I think the board will make a change in the summer. They think that this squad is top 6 material plus I don’t think the fans view of Poch will be taken lightly. 
 

Taking into account the injuries and young squad, I think Poch has done a good job and you can see we’re building something. 

And sterling hasn’t cared about us or this team

not passing , being greedy 

he’s cared about himself

the money he’s on , he should be leading the team

if poch has spoke to him , sterling hasn’t listened

yesterday he heard that and deserved it

sterling should be on the bench for a couple of games now

14 minutes ago, Vin1968 said:

I was at the game yesterday and vented my frustration

number 1 - the team should know before the game who’s taking the pens and free kicks

number 2 - I’m not against poch or sterling , but poch should have had a word with sterling months a go

it’s been left to the fans to conduct the in game management and since we’ve been screaming we’ve won 3 games

and drawn one .

bad substitutions - will be called out

We should have shouted at Sanchez when he went for a walk !

 

In game fan management... next level troll unlocked. 

What are the last five results... I suggest going back to being your other username on here. 😉 

Chelsea fans’ willingness to turn on their own so quickly has not gone unnoticed by those within the squad. Aware the abuse is not confined to the stands, a player’s representative has tried to encourage his player to stop searching for his name on social media (via @Matt_Law_DT)

First time I’ve been on here

been going to the bridge since 1979 with my dad

chelsea 1 wolves 2 relegated

sold ray wilkins

what do you mean by troll

5 hours ago, evissy said:

Btw yesterday was pretty sad by some of the fans booing Sterling. Sterling didn't have a good game but the fans didn't really help. Him skying his freekick was probably directly from that. Not sure why fans boo our players.

Sterling can be criticized naturally. He is the older statesmen. But you can see fans don't like him or Poch because these men are made in rival clubs.

You don't seriously believe that do you? It's very poetic but totally irrelevant that Sterling previously played for Liverpool and for Man City. In fact its nonsensical to suggest that, especially as our most likeliest POTY came to us from Man City himself.

Whilst I find the booing distasteful, the frustration regarding his performance and decision making is fully understandable and has nothing to do with the fact he learned his trade at other clubs 

Edited March 18, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

5 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

You don't seriously believe that do you? It's very poetic but totally irrelevant that Sterling previously played for Liverpool and for Man City. In fact its nonsensical to suggest that, especially as our most likeliest POTY came to us from Man City himself.

Whilst I find the booing distasteful, the frustration regarding his performance and decision making is fully understandable and has nothing to do with the fact he learned his trade at other clubs 

So when you get all hysterical about poch because he was once the manager of.... nah.. not going there some folk on here just not worth the effort. 

Just now, olderschoolcfc said:

So when you get all hysterical about poch because he was once the manager of.... nah.. not going there some folk on here just not worth the effort. 

I don't.  Sure he has displayed elements of Spursy choking but his Tottenham connection means little to me. I retain very fond memories of a Spurs legend Chelsea manager taking us to Wembley for the first time in 25 years.

I don't get hysterical about Poch at all. I look forward to him taking us to where we hope to end up. Currently I, along, with a number of fans, pundits and journalists remain of the opinion that today there is little evidence of a progression in our style of play.