3 hours ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

How many of these donkeys would have been signed under Roman?

I don't understand you. It's like you've been watching this game for only a couple of weeks. If this squad is as bad as you think, remember the months before Tuchel took over. Atmosphere was toxic, tactics were all over the place and overall we were a mess. Pretty much the same situation we are in now. Tuchel took over and all of a sudden we were looking like the best drilled machine in world football.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Pochettino is a bang average manager that has done f**k all since coming here. He did not make us worse, but did not improve us either, not even 1%.

IMHO he will get the sack at the end of the season. If the board manage not to f**k up the next appointment and bring in a top manager, quote me this time next year. You will see what a quality manager can do with this squad. 

2 minutes ago, petre ispirescu said:

I If the board manage not to f**k up the next appointment and bring in a top manager, quote me this time next year. 

Big if. 

For those who want Poch sacked, how confident are you that he’s the problem? Is he really? Surely the make up of the squad and the number of injuries tell you everything you need to know. 
 

Btw, I’m not a Poch apologist. I think he’s a “good” manager but not elite. Certainly good enough to get us consistently 3rd-6th in the league 

4 minutes ago, JM7 said:

For those who want Poch sacked, how confident are you that he’s the problem? Is he really? Surely the make up of the squad and the number of injuries tell you everything you need to know. 
 

Btw, I’m not a Poch apologist. I think he’s a “good” manager but not elite. Certainly good enough to get us consistently 3rd-6th in the league 

He definitely has improved us a bit compared to last season but that's not saying much. My expectations were loweredto just finishing 8th this season and he can't even do that. My main issue with him is his decision making in game like the cup final and today. He doesn't have a winner's mentality.

53 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

What on Earth are you on about?

Saw the table there, it still shows Potter is the worst manager we have had. 

He cost 20m and didn't do anything right part from progressing one round in the CL.

He will be sacked because he really hasn't helped the team and himself when it mattered. Today could be a start of a good run in the league, bottled it again against a team that's in all sorts of problems. Our remaining league games are fast becoming irrelevant as we aren't going to break into the top 6, and players know it. Is he going to win the FA cup? Highly doubt it given what happened. Recall at the start of the season, he was targeting CL spot and more, so you can't adjust goal posts half way through the season.

What's more important is the owners will see as a way out and restore their credibility ( a little) by sacking him, and hopefully replacing with someone better.

Surely we have to recognise that there are bigger issues at club than Poch? The squad balance/profile is terrible, questions over quality and direction of the club..

 

My word, they’ve turned us into United fans. We’ll be wearing our green and gold scarfs next. 

48 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Surely we have to recognise that there are bigger issues at club than Poch? The squad balance/profile is terrible, questions over quality and direction of the club..

 

My word, they’ve turned us into United fans. We’ll be wearing our green and gold scarfs next. 

What are you talking about? Unbalanced or trying to play a back 3 against a depleted Brentford, making our players wondering how the f**k to play? No one is saying we haven’t got other problems, but this coward of a coach has gone to Brentford with the mentality of not loosing the game. We could have won, instead he’s set us up not to loose.

So many excuses f**k me. 

1 hour ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

He definitely has improved us a bit compared to last season but that's not saying much. 

Has he though? What way has he improved us?

We are 17th in the league when it comes to second half performances. 
 

17th. 

33 minutes ago, RMH said:

What are you talking about? Unbalanced or trying to play a back 3 against a depleted Brentford, making our players wondering how the f**k to play? No one is saying we haven’t got other problems, but this coward of a coach has gone to Brentford with the mentality of not loosing the game. We could have won, instead he’s set us up not to loose.

That is it exactly.

As usual there are legitimate excuses. It was a hard week and players were gong to be tired.

But I don't except that as an excuse because in fact he played the same 3 in midfield that were arguably the most in need of some rotation. We knew before the game that Enzo/Caicedo had played two games already in the week including emotionally draining extra time in a cup final. But he was too gutless, and that is what it is, to rest one of the "stars" in a league game. He could easily have done that by playing Gallagher, who had a bit of rest, instead of Enzo and playing Mudryck at 10. Thats even if the back 3 was the right idea. I must say Gusto put in a great shift all week. I'd have been spelling him as well but that would have been wrong.

Edited March 2, 20242 yr by ozboy

The average age of PL winning teams for the past 30 years has been around 26-27 and Im sure its the same for the top 4. Our squads average is the youngest in the PL at around 22. If Poch had a team full of players, majority of which were in their primes I think the story would have been different.

Fact is you cant judge Poch with these players. No point sacking him, there’s no manager in the world who could get these youngsters in to the top 4. 
 

This is a recruitment issue more than a manager one. You need 9-10 players at their peaks and then maybe a few youngsters. Right now weve got none at their peaks, bar Sterling whose arguably past it. 
 

Dont know what people expect, this is the reality. Wont be able to bring in top players because of FP, overpaid on youngsters instead. This idiotic strategy from the owners means unfortunately Chelsea wont be competing at the top for the foreseeable future.  

3 hours ago, RMH said:

There are no mitigating circumstances to go 3 at the back against this Brentford when we haven’t played it for months. The away fans were fuming (obviously myself included) and rightly so. He’s lost the plot and I just can’t understand how anyone would go and defend him after this week we’ve had. All around me today we’re just wondering what the f**k was Pochettino thinking with the game plan and where the f**k was he when they were scoring and dominating us on that second half.

Can you tell the other away fans that Todd is only a minor player in the ownership and Clearlake are running the show please?

5 hours ago, Kamil2020 said:

Dont know what people expect, this is the reality. Wont be able to bring in top players because of FP, overpaid on youngsters instead. This idiotic strategy from the owners means unfortunately Chelsea wont be competing at the top for the foreseeable future.  

It only looks like that right now, but the fact is that those are some very rich people that firmly believe that their loses of today will turn into profit and success later on in the future, the moves they made are not by accident so it's fair to conclude that signing a whole bunch of young players is their strategy for reason since it's also easy to assume that nobody actually wants to lose money and rich people are rich because they really love money.

Pochettino is a man that believes in positive and negative energy, he calls it "energia universal", the universal energy. The things he does are also by design, meaning that there is a real reasoning behind his decision to force the whole squad to watch Liverpool celebrating the League Cup win.

The more we lose now, the higher potential of us winning later becomes possible.

There is a very famous study that talks about this concept that is present in every sport. Roman's model is the past, our model now for winning is by losing, there is a reason why most American teams in their own leagues have a very real strategy of creating the so called franchises. Tanking and playing the numbers is very real and who can argue that the Americans are wrong, after the top 10 valued clubs in the world in sports in general.

The appointment of Potter wasn't an accident, neither is the appointment of Pochettino. Those won't win us titles but they have by the design of some very rich people set the cornerstone of winning.

 

 

 

Poch doesn’t look like he is the answer.. but the sad part is the recruitment is to be blamed.. we wasted so much money on dross like .. Fofana/madueke/ and a bunch others that we couldn’t fix it in January.. to think of it .. Poch has not had a single window to model the squad as per his philosophy is also damning.

7 hours ago, ozboy said:

That is it exactly.

As usual there are legitimate excuses. It was a hard week and players were gong to be tired.

But I don't except that as an excuse because in fact he played the same 3 in midfield that were arguably the most in need of some rotation. We knew before the game that Enzo/Caicedo had played two games already in the week including emotionally draining extra time in a cup final. But he was too gutless, and that is what it is, to rest one of the "stars" in a league game. He could easily have done that by playing Gallagher, who had a bit of rest, instead of Enzo and playing Mudryck at 10. Thats even if the back 3 was the right idea. I must say Gusto put in a great shift all week. I'd have been spelling him as well but that would have been wrong.

They purposefully brought Casadei back from loan just to sit him on the bench unused.

21 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

They purposefully brought Casadei back from loan just to sit him on the bench unused.

Very frustrating for fans.. just doesn’t take any risks does he.

5 minutes ago, Jangz said:

Very frustrating for fans.. just doesn’t take any risks does he.

I think adversity brings out the real character of people not success. We can all act like Pep and behave like Pep in a world of perpetual success.

Pochettino is a shadow of the manager he was at Southampton and the first part of his time at Spurs, that period when he always used an interpreter. Almost from  the point of crying at the Bridge when Spurs lost the league and crying because he had made a CL final, only to lose it. From this point on his career has largely been in decline and he has shown no ability to rediscover his earlier abilities. 

For me all eyes are on de Zerbi now. He now seems to have been found out. Or he has just taken that group of players as far as they can go. I think his future success will be determined on how he manages the situation he is now in.

Our guy sadly appears to be a busted flush unfortunately. 

8 hours ago, dkw said:

Has he though? What way has he improved us?

I think he has is scoring more goals than tuchel, potter and lamps did.  We are more progressive than we were under tuchel.

We are also significantly worse defensively than under TT and Potter. 

 

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

It only looks like that right now, but the fact is that those are some very rich people that firmly believe that their loses of today will turn into profit and success later on in the future, the moves they made are not by accident so it's fair to conclude that signing a whole bunch of young players is their strategy for reason since it's also easy to assume that nobody actually wants to lose money and rich people are rich because they really love money.

Pochettino is a man that believes in positive and negative energy, he calls it "energia universal", the universal energy. The things he does are also by design, meaning that there is a real reasoning behind his decision to force the whole squad to watch Liverpool celebrating the League Cup win.

The more we lose now, the higher potential of us winning later becomes possible.

There is a very famous study that talks about this concept that is present in every sport. Roman's model is the past, our model now for winning is by losing, there is a reason why most American teams in their own leagues have a very real strategy of creating the so called franchises. Tanking and playing the numbers is very real and who can argue that the Americans are wrong, after the top 10 valued clubs in the world in sports in general.

The appointment of Potter wasn't an accident, neither is the appointment of Pochettino. Those won't win us titles but they have by the design of some very rich people set the cornerstone of winning.

 

 

 

Sounds like a load of mumbo jumbo BS....

We have to keep things simple and straightforward. I have been a huge advocate for patience on here - but we are seeing very few rewards or progression. We still have no identity or cohesion to our game. I would be ok with losing week in week out if we were seeing some progression. But we are not. There is nothing identifiable by what Poch is doing. 

23 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

I think he has is scoring more goals than tuchel, potter and lamps did.  We are more progressive than we were under tuchel.

We are also significantly worse defensively than under TT and Potter. 

 

Perhaps we are missing the experience of Kepa and Koulibaly ? 

We've conceded one goal less in the PL than Brighton ... seeing as De Zerbi is being held up as the new management messiah on here I thought that was quite ironic LOL

8 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We are 17th in the league when it comes to second half performances. 
 

17th. 

Yes and 8th I think on first half performance. Tells you that whatever Poch does at half time, and his game management in the second half including his use of substitutes is woeful. 

2 minutes ago, carrickblue said:

Yes and 8th I think on first half performance. Tells you that whatever Poch does at half time, and his game management in the second half including his use of substitutes is woeful. 

Could simply be due to the stamina levels inherent in younger players. 

There is a reason why at other clubs that haven't gone all in on a youth team policy that managers tend to integrate their talented younger players slowly ... managing their minutes ... 

You could then say "make more subs then !" but that has been difficult due to injuries affecting the quality available on the bench. 

We don't get to see training. If we did, it might be obvious that a gassed Gallagher or Enzo is a better option than a fit Casadei.

Personally I'd like to see more of Casadei. 

If Casadei has a stinker though, you just know that everyone will pile in on Pochettino ... damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I imagine there might be a bit more slack cut if he hadn't managed Spurs. 

10 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Saw the table there, it still shows Potter is the worst manager we have had. 

He cost 20m and didn't do anything right part from progressing one round in the CL.

He had a tmsquad full of players who knew they wouldn't be there next season along with a load of new players thrown at him. Should have given him the calendar year.