16 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Personally I'd like to see more of Casadei.

Aye. Poch recalled him from a decent loan spell and now doesn't give him minutes. Another genius move.

1 minute ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

He had a tmsquad full of players who knew they wouldn't be there next season along with a load of new players thrown at him. Should have given him the calendar year.

21 goals scored in 22 league games under Potter. Thank god we didn't have to endure any more than that ... 

1 minute ago, Sexyfootball said:

21 goals scored in 22 league games under Potter. Thank god we didn't have to endure any more than that ... 

Yes, it's nice that we're scoring goals now under Poch. Problem is our defence is an absolute and utter shambles, so we're no better off. Wonder what Potter would have been able to do with a finisher like Cole Palmer in his team...

1 minute ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Yes, it's nice that we're scoring goals now under Poch. Problem is our defence is an absolute and utter shambles, so we're no better off. Wonder what Potter would have been able to do with a finisher like Cole Palmer in his team...

He had a better finisher available to him and left him out of the team, so probably not much would be my bet ... 

21 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Could simply be due to the stamina levels inherent in younger players. 

There is a reason why at other clubs that haven't gone all in on a youth team policy that managers tend to integrate their talented younger players slowly ... managing their minutes ... 

You could then say "make more subs then !" but that has been difficult due to injuries affecting the quality available on the bench. 

We don't get to see training. If we did, it might be obvious that a gassed Gallagher or Enzo is a better option than a fit Casadei.

Personally I'd like to see more of Casadei. 

If Casadei has a stinker though, you just know that everyone will pile in on Pochettino ... damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I imagine there might be a bit more slack cut if he hadn't managed Spurs. 

But in fairness the decision making process is a fundamental part of management.  I have a level of responsibility for managing a team of staff. If I consistently get things wrong ultimately my position will be under threat. These guys crave this pressure, this spotlight and win or lose the rewards are such that there is the freedom to be bold.

Taking the game yesterday I cannot understand the tepid slow start, the continual and pointless passing between the back three with no opposition player near and as a result no meaningful runs by our players.

It appeared to me that Poch's tactic was to slow the game up, get the crowd quiet and nervous and therefore unsettle Brentford. 

If this is the case could he have read the situation any worse. They were on a horrendous run, their defence completed decimated, confidence low, their talismanic striker still not yet match fit and a subdued nervous crowd from the start. With an explosion of movement,  tempo, and waves of attack they would have folded like a pack of cards.

Then with his apparent appalling ability to read in game developments Poch sits mute as Frank works out what is needed, makes changes and we crumble.

It's just so....poor. predictably inadequate from this guy.

9 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Aye. Poch recalled him from a decent loan spell and now doesn't give him minutes. Another genius move.

I think he was brought in predominantly as injury cover. Agree he should get more minutes, just hope we don't immediately see why he isn't getting them !

12 hours ago, evissy said:

As they have said f**k all about what is a success, what needs to be done financially we just basically have to guess.

They haven’t said anything but I would assume they all expected CL football and probably spent on that basis. Both the sporting directors and Ted lasso probably expected CL now with no CL this year and most likely none next year also this will be a sh*t show.

1 hour ago, El regreso said:

They haven’t said anything but I would assume they all expected CL football and probably spent on that basis. Both the sporting directors and Ted lasso probably expected CL now with no CL this year and most likely none next year also this will be a sh*t show.

If they expect CL after completely replacing the squad with young inexperienced players they should f**k off.

8 minutes ago, evissy said:

If they expect CL after completely replacing the squad with young inexperienced players they should f**k off.

Perhaps CFC have had to move on most players signed under Roman because the deals they signed under the previous club administration were dodgy. I mean we are currently being investigated for multiple breaches of FFP... Perhaps the new owners had to mitigate previous risks hence why they have taken the club in the direction they have. We were owned by the Russian state and look what happens to anyone who opposes it. Give it a few years and we'll all be in trenches of Eastern Europe. Happy days ahead. 

14 hours ago, petre ispirescu said:

I don't understand you. It's like you've been watching this game for only a couple of weeks. If this squad is as bad as you think, remember the months before Tuchel took over. Atmosphere was toxic, tactics were all over the place and overall we were a mess. Pretty much the same situation we are in now. Tuchel took over and all of a sudden we were looking like the best drilled machine in world football.

Whether you want to admit it or not, Pochettino is a bang average manager that has done f**k all since coming here. He did not make us worse, but did not improve us either, not even 1%.

IMHO he will get the sack at the end of the season. If the board manage not to f**k up the next appointment and bring in a top manager, quote me this time next year. You will see what a quality manager can do with this squad. 

As you said the players haven't regressed under Poch. Results and performances are better than last season under both Potter and Lampard. The same problems and results as we've had under Poch will persist next season just as they did before him since we brought in these players.

 It's reasonable to argue Poch isn't getting the most out of our players it's far more reasonable to question just what level of talent a bunch of young players that have struggled under multiple managers and never performed at the top level at any point in their lives actually have.

 Though I suspect you're right Poch will go and this time next year we'll be be sat 9th and blasting the next manager for not being a Pep Guardiola/Alex Ferguson Hybrid when the reality is if we hired either of them they'd bin 70% of our squad before the pre season starts.

1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

As you said the players haven't regressed under Poch. Results and performances are better than last season under both Potter and Lampard. The same problems and results as we've had under Poch will persist next season just as they did before him since we brought in these players.

 It's reasonable to argue Poch isn't getting the most out of our players it's far more reasonable to question just what level of talent a bunch of young players that have struggled under multiple managers and never performed at the top level at any point in their lives actually have.

 Though I suspect you're right Poch will go and this time next year we'll be be sat 9th and blasting the next manager for not being a Pep Guardiola/Alex Ferguson Hybrid when the reality is if we hired either of them they'd bin 70% of our squad before the pre season starts.

I think it's just a matter of gelling, I think we've got some elite players in the team. Enzo and Caicedo look like they've got potential, they're just not hitting the ground running yet. 

Gusto and Palmer, I'm not worried about those guys at all, they'll only get better. Jackson to his credit has been banging them in but I think he needs to improve many areas on his game, still he's very young and needs time. Mudryk is a lost cause, get rid. Madueke I'm still not sure about him I'm willing to give him some more time. 

I don't think all these players are duds, it's just throwing a bunch of kids with little to no experience and expecting them to play like an elite side was a silly idea. It's kind of difficult to tell who is genuinely sh*t or who can improve in time. That's the situation the owners have put us in, and people who expect this to be different under another manager are living in delulu land. Some on here are expecting a Lampard to Tuchel transition, but it's not going to happen, the circumstances are massively different here. And can we even attract a top manager anymore? I think some will see better opportunities elsewhere than taking on this mess. 
 

If we had a striker who could hold the ball up .. it would have helped tremendously.. it alows us to play better in transition.. the first outlet doesn’t always have to be Caicedo.. you start from there.. unfortunately we spent a billion a s forgot to sign a lead actor for the play.. 

8 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think he was brought in predominantly as injury cover. Agree he should get more minutes, just hope we don't immediately see why he isn't getting them !

I think he should have been used yesterday to give one of our 3 starting mids a break. He had a decent amount of game time for Leicester so shouldn't be too rusty. Maybe he just needs some time training with the first team to get used to our system.

38 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I think he should have been used yesterday to give one of our 3 starting mids a break. He had a decent amount of game time for Leicester so shouldn't be too rusty. Maybe he just needs some time training with the first team to get used to our system.

What system? There’s no system. Yesterday the coach played a system we had not played for months, so no player was used to it. 

15 minutes ago, RMH said:

What system? There’s no system. Yesterday the coach played a system we had not played for months, so no player was used to it. 

Amazing that they hadn't even practiced it in training ... or had they !

Such a poor idea to try and use three at the back to (a) counter a team that plays two strikers or (b) play wing backs to try and use the width as something different against a team that would play a low block, which we haven't once been able to play effectively against all season ... damn the coach for trying something new !!! 

38 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

Amazing that they hadn't even practiced it in training ... or had they !

Such a poor idea to try and use three at the back to (a) counter a team that plays two strikers or (b) play wing backs to try and use the width as something different against a team that would play a low block, which we haven't once been able to play effectively against all season ... damn the coach for trying something new !!! 

I'd say you have a point if it worked but evidently it proved to be a bad decision. He decided to take out an attacker to try and defend against one of the worst form teams in the league.

3 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'd say you have a point if it worked but evidently it proved to be a bad decision. He decided to take out an attacker to try and defend against one of the worst form teams in the league.

It works if Jackson and Palmer convert easy chances. Personally, I think it is unfair to blame the manager for our continued inability to take big chances. It's not as if they don't practice shooting in training ... 

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Amazing that they hadn't even practiced it in training ... or had they !

Such a poor idea to try and use three at the back to (a) counter a team that plays two strikers or (b) play wing backs to try and use the width as something different against a team that would play a low block, which we haven't once been able to play effectively against all season ... damn the coach for trying something new !!! 

Oh yeah! Sorry, they had 2 whole days to train it! And while we’re at it, of course they must train how to play as a team as well, only we haven’t seen a team in 8 months of training. The excuses people come up with…

By the way, yeah, playing 2 strikers is the way forward to break a parked bus because it worked so ell in previous seasons…

10 minutes ago, RMH said:

Oh yeah! Sorry, they had 2 whole days to train it! And while we’re at it, of course they must train how to play as a team as well, only we haven’t seen a team in 8 months of training. The excuses people come up with…

Actually the 5th PL game of the season we've played with 3 at the back

2 whole days LMFAO

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

It works if Jackson and Palmer convert easy chances. Personally, I think it is unfair to blame the manager for our continued inability to take big chances. It's not as if they don't practice shooting in training ... 

I blame the manager for being in charge for 7/8 months and tactically still looking like we're in pre-season. The players definitely need to bare some of the responsibility but if Poch still can't get us looking like a cohesive unit after this long then he's failed his job, simple as that.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mauricio-pochettino-message-fans-b1142852.html
 

The standards he has are just through the floor, he's trying to get sympathy with the fanbase but to be honest when he says how happy he is with the performances he just seems so weak.

40 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/chelsea-fc-mauricio-pochettino-message-fans-b1142852.html
 

The standards he has are just through the floor, he's trying to get sympathy with the fanbase but to be honest when he says how happy he is with the performances he just seems so weak.

I’d say it’s also deeper and he’s trying to deflect anything away from the board! Earning some of his income as their Yes Man!

4 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Amazing that they hadn't even practiced it in training ... or had they !

Such a poor idea to try and use three at the back to (a) counter a team that plays two strikers or (b) play wing backs to try and use the width as something different against a team that would play a low block, which we haven't once been able to play effectively against all season ... damn the coach for trying something new !!! 

In the sense that both Gusto and Chilwell were available it was an opportunity to play a back 3 and at least have two wing backs capable of playing the role.

And you have to assume they have worked on it at practice but probably not with the actual back 5 because one of the other of them has been injured every week. And as it happened Chilwell had a poor shift.

It  also meant leaving a forward out and in terms of the selection picking the same 3 in midfield.

It's also clear the back 3 didn't work in any substantial way. We still conceded two goals, we still looked just as dodgy when under pressure. And clearly our attack was more limited. Enzo was stuck out wide left his least effective place in my opinion  and because Stirling wasn't playing we couldn't apply pressure round the penalty area. Stirling often loses the ball etc but he represents a threat that Chilwell on the night did not.

I don't like a back 3 with this squad but its not really about the system its how you use it.

It's very obvious and supported by the stats  that we perform poorly after half time. You can either say Poch's half time talks are rubbish and make the team play worse or you can blame the players for being young and not able to last 90 minutes.

In either case it's on Poch to remedy. If it's his half time talks/instructions then basically he should just get out of the way. If it's because the players get tired then he needs to make the subs much earlier and with a clear plan to keep the team as fresh as possible. Not just physically but also mentally. 

Someone can school me on this but do those tracker vests the players wear send data in real time for in game analysis? Or only for later download?

13 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Someone can school me on this but do those tracker vests the players wear send data in real time for in game analysis? Or only for later download?

Seems to be mostly bluetooth and not in realtime. However downloads and analysis can be done in 5 minutes, so a well organised team can certainly have the analysis done at half time. I bet we get real time tracking soon.