9 hours ago, evissy said:

This could also be misinterpreted. His English is not perfect. 

My worry is that's if he's not bothered to learn the language enough for journalists to understand him in a press conference how's he supposed to get complex ideas across to a bunch of footballers? 

43 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

My worry is that's if he's not bothered to learn the language enough for journalists to understand him in a press conference how's he supposed to get complex ideas across to a bunch of footballers? 

Mime. It's the players' fault they don't get the excellent directions.

We can’t even bring @Zeta in, there’s no room in the treatment room for him 

29 minutes ago, Munkunku said:

We can’t even bring @Zeta in, there’s no room in the treatment room for him 

Oh god, I hadn't thought of that! Just when he would have fitted in seamlessly ...

3 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Who stays and who goes at the end of the season?

New keeper needed.

Petrovic - keep as no 2

Sanchez -sell £15 million 

 

New left back needed maybe take Hall back?

Chillwell - keep

Cucu - Sell £20 million 

Maatsen - sell £25 million

 

New CB needed.

Fofana, Disasi, Colwill, Gilchrist - keep

Bada - Sell £22 million

Trev - sell £25 million

Midfield.

Lesley - sell £20 million 

Gallagher - sell £50 million

Casedei- sell £20 million 

 

Forwards

Jackson- sell £25 million

Sterling - sell £35 million 

Washington - sell £10 million

Broja - sell £20 million

Fofana - sell £25 million.

 

I’ve probably missed a few but if we got rid of the above (unlikely as it is) that’s getting on for £300 million which would allow us to start getting on top of FFP whilst being able to get a gk, CB and a striker in. We need a much smaller squad next season in

 Thoughts?

I think we’ll see Trev, Gallagher, Broja, Maatsen and Hutchinson sold. Hall is already done. Sterling I just dont see a market for. I dont think anyone else will go, purely because bar Gusto and Palmer (and possibly DD Fofana if he has a good end to the season) their value has decreased hugely since signing for us - so selling them will at best represent a net zero in the accounts. When you buy project players, I dont think it makes sense to sell them after a year when their stock is low

16 minutes ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

I think we’ll see Trev, Gallagher, Broja, Maatsen and Hutchinson sold. Hall is already done. Sterling I just dont see a market for. I dont think anyone else will go, purely because bar Gusto and Palmer (and possibly DD Fofana if he has a good end to the season) their value has decreased hugely since signing for us - so selling them will at best represent a net zero in the accounts. When you buy project players, I dont think it makes sense to sell them after a year when their stock is low

Lukaku should be on his way out too 👍👍👍

37 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Lukaku should be on his way out too 👍👍👍

Of course, completely forgot about him. Which is a good thing, I guess. Lets hope he can agree a permanent move somewhere. 

And Kepa! Wonder whats happening with him, these high paid players aren’t easy to shift. I actually wouldn’t be THAT surprised if Kepa starts our first league game next season

1 minute ago, AndyDowsleftflank said:

Of course, completely forgot about him. Which is a good thing, I guess. Lets hope he can agree a permanent move somewhere. 

And Kepa! Wonder whats happening with him, these high paid players aren’t easy to shift. I actually wouldn’t be THAT surprised if Kepa starts our first league game next season

Sadly I wouldn't either. He's completely out of favour at Madrid.

I was reading about Tommy Docherty's job interview for the Chelsea job in the 60's.

Asked by Charles Pratt what he thought about the Chelsea defence, Tommy replied..

" A jellyfish has more shape "

And that's exactly the description of our defence today.

11 hours ago, Valerie said:

Mime. It's the players' fault they don't get the excellent directions.

Edited April 10, 20242 yr by just

It really is a sad indictment of how badly things have deteriorated in the past few seasons. Romans departure obviously had a huge bearing on things, but I don't think we have been helped by all the hiring & firing of managers over the seasons. Short-term success, but no long-term stability and now look at us.

The situation isn't irretrievable, but we are again at a crossroads where any more bad decisions on signings, appointment of coaches, could see us slip further. 

It's crazy, as I still hold that John Neal side of 83-85 with such great affection and for years thought those players were some of the best I would ever see at Chelsea. Then things changed and I had to concede that now we had players of the calibre of Cech, JT, Lamps, Cole (x2), Essien, Drogba and more recently Hazard etc, that none of that John Neal team would get a look-in. And yet right now, I would take Dixon or Speedie over Jackson, Nevin over Mudryk, Eddie over any of the current keepers and even Pates & McLaughlin and Big Doug Rougvie over Disasi, Badiashille & Cucurella (and needless to say John Neal over Poch!). 

Edited April 10, 20242 yr by Nibs

20 hours ago, 19seventyone said:

Who stays and who goes at the end of the season?

New keeper needed.

Petrovic - keep as no 2

Sanchez -sell £15 million 

 

New left back needed maybe take Hall back?

Chillwell - keep

Cucu - Sell £20 million 

Maatsen - sell £25 million

 

New CB needed.

Fofana, Disasi, Colwill, Gilchrist - keep

Bada - Sell £22 million

Trev - sell £25 million

Midfield.

Lesley - sell £20 million 

Gallagher - sell £50 million

Casedei- sell £20 million 

 

Forwards

Jackson- sell £25 million

Sterling - sell £35 million 

Washington - sell £10 million

Broja - sell £20 million

Fofana - sell £25 million.

 

I’ve probably missed a few but if we got rid of the above (unlikely as it is) that’s getting on for £300 million which would allow us to start getting on top of FFP whilst being able to get a gk, CB and a striker in. We need a much smaller squad next season in

 Thoughts?

For FFP it doesn't work that way though. We would be able to see 100% profit on academy-trained players, but the others it will depend on amortized costs. For example, selling Cucurella for 20m will actually count as a loss for FFP, because we still owe more than that in our accounts. Unless we sell a player for more than the remaining amortized cost (e.g. David Fofana in your example) we would have to file it as a loss and that could lead to issues.

19 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

My worry is that's if he's not bothered to learn the language enough for journalists to understand him in a press conference how's he supposed to get complex ideas across to a bunch of footballers? 

I think that's very harsh tbh, there's a lot we can critisise Poch for but not this.

Learning another language as an adult is very hard (South America don't learn it in school or atleast didn't when he was a boy).

I've tried stupidly hard with Spanish for the last decade and can't seem to break past basic conversation level, I'd give anything for it to be as "bad" as Poch's English.

19 hours ago, Nibs said:

It really is a sad indictment of how badly things have deteriorated in the past few seasons. Romans departure obviously had a huge bearing on things, but I don't think we have been helped by all the hiring & firing of managers over the seasons. Short-term success, but no long-term stability and now look at us.

The situation isn't irretrievable, but we are again at a crossroads where any more bad decisions on signings, appointment of coaches, could see us slip further. 

It's crazy, as I still hold that John Neal side of 83-85 with such great affection and for years thought those players were some of the best I would ever see at Chelsea. Then things changed and I had to concede that now we had players of the calibre of Cech, JT, Lamps, Cole (x2), Essien, Drogba and more recently Hazard etc, that none of that John Neal team would get a look-in. And yet right now, I would take Dixon or Speedie over Jackson, Nevin over Mudryk, Eddie over any of the current keepers and even Pates & McLaughlin and Big Doug Rougvie over Disasi, Badiashille & Cucurella (and needless to say John Neal over Poch!). 

It is actually easy to fix our problem. Sign a few established player, you don't need stars, you just need more consistent player and the whole team will get better straight away.

 

54 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

It is actually easy to fix our problem. Sign a few established player, you don't need stars, you just need more consistent player and the whole team will get better straight away.

 

Agreed, we will certainly improve if we sign some proven players, not if we could attract a world class player.. will definitely make us more competitive. I mean Silva is off, if we replace him with another 21 year old from another league, we all know what's to be followed. Same thing could be said in the midfield and attack, I'm sure Enzo could us a reliable DM behind him

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Agreed, we will certainly improve if we sign some proven players, not if we could attract a world class player.. will definitely make us more competitive. I mean Silva is off, if we replace him with another 21 year old from another league, we all know what's to be followed. Same thing could be said in the midfield and attack, I'm sure Enzo could us a reliable DM behind him

Proven players are just as likely to flop and cost loads.

I'm struggling to think of which players you think we should sign as a DM and attack. 

Sterling was a proven player. 

1 hour ago, bisright1 said:

Proven players are just as likely to flop and cost loads.

I'm struggling to think of which players you think we should sign as a DM and attack. 

Sterling was a proven player. 

Sterling is a proven player but Sterling game is all about penetrating run and creating chaos in opp end. In our team he need to play more like a willian/b silva because you can't ask palmer/jackson/Madueke to play like willian/b silva

Edited April 11, 20242 yr by Bob stark

2 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Agreed, we will certainly improve if we sign some proven players, not if we could attract a world class player.. will definitely make us more competitive. I mean Silva is off, if we replace him with another 21 year old from another league, we all know what's to be followed. Same thing could be said in the midfield and attack, I'm sure Enzo could us a reliable DM behind him

Offensively if Nkunku can stay healthy, we would have been much better. But he had maybe 2 games 😭😭😭 , the rest were poch being afraid of Nkunku getting injury so he played him as st and he still got injured 😭😭😭

23 hours ago, Nibs said:

It really is a sad indictment of how badly things have deteriorated in the past few seasons. Romans departure obviously had a huge bearing on things, but I don't think we have been helped by all the hiring & firing of managers over the seasons. Short-term success, but no long-term stability and now look at us.

The situation isn't irretrievable, but we are again at a crossroads where any more bad decisions on signings, appointment of coaches, could see us slip further. 

It's crazy, as I still hold that John Neal side of 83-85 with such great affection and for years thought those players were some of the best I would ever see at Chelsea. Then things changed and I had to concede that now we had players of the calibre of Cech, JT, Lamps, Cole (x2), Essien, Drogba and more recently Hazard etc, that none of that John Neal team would get a look-in. And yet right now, I would take Dixon or Speedie over Jackson, Nevin over Mudryk, Eddie over any of the current keepers and even Pates & McLaughlin and Big Doug Rougvie over Disasi, Badiashille & Cucurella (and needless to say John Neal over Poch!). 

I also think we are in a precarious situation.

We could go the way of Leeds or Southampton.

Poch's English is poor and I wonder how much that affects the half time talk.

Suspect mostly his number two translates for the players.

People say let's buy experienced players well we got Sterling and Aubameyang and that has not turned out quite as expected. I would say buying experienced players is an art finding the right ones with skill that fits and the hunger to do the job well is not an easy task especially with FFP looming in the background. 

 

 

5 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

I also think we are in a precarious situation.

We could go the way of Leeds or Southampton.

Poch's English is poor and I wonder how much that affects the half time talk.

Suspect mostly his number two translates for the players.

People say let's buy experienced players well we got Sterling and Aubameyang and that has not turned out quite as expected. I would say buying experienced players is an art finding the right ones with skill that fits and the hunger to do the job well is not an easy task especially with FFP looming in the background. 

 

 

True, it is important to find the right experienced players, but any idiot could tell Aubameyang was a signing to steer well clear of. And even Sterling - many had their doubts. 

You have to avoid players past their best who a) don't have the right professional attitude and b) are just after another nice pay day.

 

2 hours ago, strider6004 said:

I also think we are in a precarious situation.

We could go the way of Leeds or Southampton.

Poch's English is poor and I wonder how much that affects the half time talk.

Suspect mostly his number two translates for the players.

People say let's buy experienced players well we got Sterling and Aubameyang and that has not turned out quite as expected. I would say buying experienced players is an art finding the right ones with skill that fits and the hunger to do the job well is not an easy task especially with FFP looming in the background. 

 

 

Auba signing was just stupid. 

What is the actual point of a manager then if the solution to everything is, "Sign experienced players"?

This isn't 2010. 

The idea of signing more experience player is about 

 

This. Just watch 2 minute of this video 

We basically need consistent player who understand tactic, tempo and who can keep the performance of the team very high, basically a floor raiser. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

Sterling is a proven player but Sterling game is all about penetrating run and creating chaos in opp end. In our team he need to play more like a willian/b silva because you can't ask palmer/jackson/Madueke to play like willian/b silva

Ziyech was a proven player. Barkley was a proven player. Drinkwater was a proven player. 

I don't know who people are expecting us to sign if we go after "proven players". James ward prowse? 

And the job of the manager is to extract performances.

Is it easier with more experienced players? Absolutely. But when your experienced players (Silva, Sterling, Disasi, James, Chilwell) have also been diabolical this season, you can only point the finger at one person.