Was Poch in for a long while, injuries, young squad etc...

But now I'm fully Poch out - tonight if possible and make the most of our 8 day break.

We've just drawn with 2 teams teams who are getting relegated!

TBH the real turning point for me was the League Cup final defeat.

While I have a tiny bit of sympathy with Poch because of the terrible recruitment of players and the crazy injuries, no top manager would stand for losing to the weakest Liverpool team in years and drawing with these 2 soon to be relegated teams.

This stems from the manager IMO and a basic lack of desire and/or tactics to put weaker opposition to bed.

Klopp, Pep or Captain Scarlett would do their nut and during and after the match - during as in in-game management (something he obviously lacks).

We haven't improved one bit this season and he doesn't give me any belief that we could even win 3 league games on the bounce let alone challenge for European positions.

Get rid as soon as we turn off the M1 tonight I say.

The team selection was abysmal tonight. Players were tired but that’s no excuse for having no left sided attack. And the subs were far too late. I think that’s just obvious to any observer. 

2 minutes ago, ozboy said:

The team selection was abysmal tonight. Players were tired but that’s no excuse for having no left sided attack. And the subs were far too late. I think that’s just obvious to any observer. 

Felt like the subs were mostly to try and waste time. But at that stage I'd argue subbing on so many players caused us to lose control in the late stages. We'd have been better off seeing out the game with those on the pitch at that point.

Shocking game again. He’s doing so much harm to these young players…

42 minutes ago, forbzy said:

Felt like the subs were mostly to try and waste time. But at that stage I'd argue subbing on so many players caused us to lose control in the late stages. We'd have been better off seeing out the game with those on the pitch at that point.

Pochettino made 2 subs at half time and scored two early h2 goals. We could easily have brought on Sterling or mudryck for Gallagher or Caicedo   I’d have brought on chukwumeaka for Palmer earlier as well. 

Poor mentality, poor tactics, no accountability, poor in game management. Fingers crossed we've only got another month or so of this fraud. 

I do not like him very much

Poch has lost the support of virtually every fan after that performance, I can't see him being here next season. It won't happen but if he were to get sacked tomorrow and replaced with someone in the interim that has half a clue about tactical organisation we would get European football next season.

Disasi, passes to Silva, who knocks it across to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits it inside to Enzo, who knocks back to cucurella , passes to chalobah, who knocks it to silva, who knocks it sideways to Disasi, who passes back to silva, who gives it straight back to Disasi, who passes to silva, who knocks it to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who knocks it to Enzo, who cuts it back to chalobah, who knocks to silva. silva slows it down, turns and knocks it back to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits a risky cross field ball to Disasi, who controls and knocks it back to silva. who knocks it across to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits it inside to Enzo, who knocks back to cucurella , passes to chalobah, who knocks it to silva, who knocks it sideways to Disasi, who passes back to silva, who gives it straight back to Disasi, who passes to silva, who knocks it to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who knocks it to Enzo, who cuts it back to chalobah, who knocks to silva. silva slows it down, turns and knocks it back to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits a risky cross field ball to Disasi, who controls and knocks it back to silva, Silva passes back to Disasi, who hoofs it up field, and it’s collected by the Sheffield utd keeper……

 

👆 This is our problem. It has been our problem for years. Poch continues to let it happen. 

3 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Disasi, passes to Silva, who knocks it across to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits it inside to Enzo, who knocks back to cucurella , passes to chalobah, who knocks it to silva, who knocks it sideways to Disasi, who passes back to silva, who gives it straight back to Disasi, who passes to silva, who knocks it to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who knocks it to Enzo, who cuts it back to chalobah, who knocks to silva. silva slows it down, turns and knocks it back to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits a risky cross field ball to Disasi, who controls and knocks it back to silva. who knocks it across to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits it inside to Enzo, who knocks back to cucurella , passes to chalobah, who knocks it to silva, who knocks it sideways to Disasi, who passes back to silva, who gives it straight back to Disasi, who passes to silva, who knocks it to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who knocks it to Enzo, who cuts it back to chalobah, who knocks to silva. silva slows it down, turns and knocks it back to chalobah, who squares to cucurella, who hits a risky cross field ball to Disasi, who controls and knocks it back to silva, Silva passes back to Disasi, who hoofs it up field, and it’s collected by the Sheffield utd keeper……

 

And this is why our possession stats are misleading, making it look like we controlling games and unlucky but the reality is most of our possession stats is in our own half.

All this talk about players liking Poch... is that really the case? Because they sure as hell aren't putting their asses on the line for him. And even if it's true, that's probably because we have got rid of all the experienced players that would have revolted against this weekly sh*t show by now.

On the contrary, I remember reading something about few players asking the owners to get rid of Poch... no idea how much truth there is to it though.

Honestly don't know where to go from here. Feels like we are the only team in the world who could get a result in the manner that we did on Thursday, go and play the worst team in the league 3 days later and look like we havent won a game in decades. 

I'm not in love with the idea of getting rid of him, almost exlusively because I don't believe anyone better would take the job/that our board would be competant enough to pick them. But getting 2 points out of Burnley and Sheff U is just outrageous. Sheff in particular have been a punching bag for most of the year.

My only comfort in life is that United seem to be the ones about to make the mistake of hiring Southgate when they bullet the bald fraud, so at least that sh*theap is going to happen to someone else.

43 minutes ago, Girish said:

All this talk about players liking Poch... is that really the case? Because they sure as hell aren't putting their asses on the line for him. And even if it's true, that's probably because we have got rid of all the experienced players that would have revolted against this weekly sh*t show by now.

On the contrary, I remember reading something about few players asking the owners to get rid of Poch... no idea how much truth there is to it though.

I do think the majority like him which is why they haven’t stopped playing yet. They have chucked it in because if they did he would be gone already.

To be honest, yesterday's result was so predictable and shouldn't have surprised anyone in the slightest. We get up for some games but not others and any team can cause us problems and score against our leaky, badly organised defence.

I'm past caring at this stage of the season. All I want, is for us to perform at the highest level and be up for the games against Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham and the City semi-final (and if that does go well - the subsequent final). The rest of the games, I expect to be pretty much the same as yesterday so won't get all het up about them.

Edited April 8, 20242 yr by Nibs

21 minutes ago, Nibs said:

To be honest, yesterday's result was so predictable and shouldn't have surprised anyone in the slightest. We get up for some games but not others and any team can cause us problems and score against our leaky, badly organised defence.

I'm past caring at this stage of the season. All I want, is for us to perform at the highest level and be up for the games against Arsenal, Spurs, West Ham and the City semi-final (and if that does go well - the subsequent final). The rest of the games, I expect to be pretty much the same as yesterday so won't get all het up about them.

Yep, I called the result straight away before we even kicked off. 

We are playing like a team full of inexperienced kids. I don't think sacking Pochettino right now is the best course of action, if there is a better replacement in the summer then sure I'm all for it as I don't think Pochettino will sort the defensive issues out. But who is this replacement? Tuchel is not coming back, and I'm not fussed about De Zerbi either. I don't see any other viable option. 

To all those who say anyone would be better, we were saying the same thing with Potter last season. The reality is the squad at the moment is a f**king mess, it's full of injury-prone players who barely have any experience. We either wait it out and hope that something finally clicks, or we find a different manager. I just don't know who that next manager could be. 

No Gusto, no Chilwell, no Colwill and we get a draw away from home does not sound too bad on paper.

This time of the season the bottom teams start getting results as they are desperate and work harder.

What is also frustrating is that by starting Madueke on the right we lose the effectiveness of Palmer who then moves centrally.

Aarghh so frustrating.....

 

We need a coach that can set up a team on the pitch and get them playing as a team. So far, other than Ten Hag, who's proven to be as bad as Pochettino, every other coach and their dog have shown to be able to set up their teams and get them play together better than Pochettino. We're lucky to have the individual brilliance of Palmer and better players, in general, than other teams below us, otherwise we'd be truly in relegation mode.

1 minute ago, strider6004 said:

No Gusto, no Chilwell, no Colwill and we get a draw away from home does not sound too bad on paper.

This time of the season the bottom teams start getting results as they are desperate and work harder.

What is also frustrating is that by starting Madueke on the right we lose the effectiveness of Palmer who then moves centrally.

Aarghh so frustrating.....

 

I don't think having Madueke at RW and moving Palmer to #10 is necessarily a bad idea, but it didn't work unfortunately as Palmer didn't have a good game. If you mandate Palmer as *only* at RW, but still want to try and play Noni somewhere, then maybe he's worth a go in place of Jackson, who has been really poor recently ?

No idea what Gallagher at LW was all about though. That's got to be either Mudryk or Sterling. 

More of an issue is the defence, where Pochettino doesn't currently have one reliable error-free option for any of the five principal roles. I've been saying for weeks that Petrovic is off the pace. I also thought the positioning of our centre back pairing was absolutely terrible for the 2nd Sheffield United goal. Didn't seem to occur to either of them to mark the opponent's principle striker ... 

17 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

Yep, I called the result straight away before we even kicked off. 

We are playing like a team full of inexperienced kids. I don't think sacking Pochettino right now is the best course of action, if there is a better replacement in the summer then sure I'm all for it as I don't think Pochettino will sort the defensive issues out. But who is this replacement? Tuchel is not coming back, and I'm not fussed about De Zerbi either. I don't see any other viable option. 

To all those who say anyone would be better, we were saying the same thing with Potter last season. The reality is the squad at the moment is a f**king mess, it's full of injury-prone players who barely have any experience. We either wait it out and hope that something finally clicks, or we find a different manager. I just don't know who that next manager could be. 

Would you want him though if he would take the job? European football seems to be going through a managerial shift, the old, trusted “winners” are getting pushed out for young, innovative managers capable of developing players. You know what you are going to get with Jose, Tuchel, Conte, Allegri; an initial at all cost approach and a crash landing in the 2nd/3rd year. Most top clubs are done with that approach.

Thiago Motta has an agreement with Juve to replace Allegri, a job Conte was counting on along with the Bayern one. Bayern are taking their time and have already discounted Jose & Conte, Liverpool seem to be leaning towards Amorim since Alonso is staying put, and Barca have discounted Tuchel because he always seems to throw players under the bus. Would be interesting to see who we go with in the summer if we get rid of Poch.

2 minutes ago, RMH said:

We need a coach that can set up a team on the pitch and get them playing as a team. So far, other than Ten Hag, who's proven to be as bad as Pochettino, every other coach and their dog have shown to be able to set up their teams and get them play together better than Pochettino. We're lucky to have the individual brilliance of Palmer and better players, in general, than other teams below us, otherwise we'd be truly in relegation mode.

We made it to Carabao Cup final and almost won Liverpool. 

We have one of the youngest teams in all big 5 leagues (according to Poch anyway). 

We have fought head to head against worlds best sides. Liverpool, Arsenal and City. 

Palmers brilliance...take any one of the major teams, remove their brightest star and look what happens.

Again for me, this is not the season to look at the table, worry about results it is about finding the core of the side. Problem with finding the core is also our injuries. We don't know what Lavia or Nkunku can do as both have been out almost the entire season.

Every time we win, everyone here is starting to look at the table, then we lose/draw to Sheffield or some other relegated side - Poch out, rinse and repeat.

Stop wasting your energy on the table. We have played horrible games with experienced sides when we are out of title race and looked the worst side in the league. Difference is experienced players can grind out results.

 

 

There are lots of good managers out there. New ones emerge every season. It’s a question of identifying one. This season we have seen Alonso, the girona guy (who may be a one season wonder) and Postecoglou. 

28 minutes ago, strider6004 said:

No Gusto, no Chilwell, no Colwill and we get a draw away from home does not sound too bad on paper.

This time of the season the bottom teams start getting results as they are desperate and work harder.

What is also frustrating is that by starting Madueke on the right we lose the effectiveness of Palmer who then moves centrally.

Aarghh so frustrating.....

 

This was against one of the worst teams the Premier league has ever seen, we were clinging for a result against a team that's set to have the worst goals against record ever in the prem, and who have been demolished by every decent team they've played. This is not a good result on paper, on the pitch, in football manager or FIFA.....

7 minutes ago, ozboy said:

There are lots of good managers out there. New ones emerge every season. It’s a question of identifying one. This season we have seen Alonso, the girona guy (who may be a one season wonder) and Postecoglou. 

Yes this is true. Many coaches emerge and are as inexperienced as our players. 

Alonso could be one season wonder. Arteta looked horrible starting and now he is the best young manager there is.

6 minutes ago, evissy said:

We made it to Carabao Cup final and almost won Liverpool. 

We have one of the youngest teams in all big 5 leagues (according to Poch anyway). 

We have fought head to head against worlds best sides. Liverpool, Arsenal and City. 

Palmers brilliance...take any one of the major teams, remove their brightest star and look what happens.

Again for me, this is not the season to look at the table, worry about results it is about finding the core of the side. Problem with finding the core is also our injuries. We don't know what Lavia or Nkunku can do as both have been out almost the entire season.

Every time we win, everyone here is starting to look at the table, then we lose/draw to Sheffield or some other relegated side - Poch out, rinse and repeat.

Stop wasting your energy on the table. We have played horrible games with experienced sides when we are out of title race and looked the worst side in the league. Difference is experienced players can grind out results.

 

 

I don't look at the table, I look at the way we play and it is a disaster every week. Even teams in relegation places play more cohesive football than we do, and we have had a core of players (especially midfield and attack) playing together for the whole season and still haven't gelled. Our players are all over the place, don't understand the basics of playing as a team, we are not progressing and we are getting possibly worse. That's down to Pochettino.

7 minutes ago, RMH said:

I don't look at the table, I look at the way we play and it is a disaster every week. Even teams in relegation places play more cohesive football than we do, and we have had a core of players (especially midfield and attack) playing together for the whole season and still haven't gelled. Our players are all over the place, don't understand the basics of playing as a team, we are not progressing and we are getting possibly worse. That's down to Pochettino.

The one that got me was Boro away, a new young manager, 11 players missing, lost 2 defenders early in the game yet were still massively more organised and effective than us. Absolutely shocking how bad we are, theres been no improvement in anything at all, no progress in any part of our game, no cohesiveness etc.

There are zero reasons for him to stay, get rid mow, give it to anyone as caretaker (JT maybe?) And plan for next season.