13 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

It makes no sense why fans want jackson gone. He has 42 goal involvement in 81 games for us and doesn't take penalties . We need competition and I believe joao pedro , Delap and Jackson is a quality striker rotation. Jackson can be our 3rd striker .

Jackson can be the Solomon Kalou in the squad. He is frustrating and f**ks up in game play like kalou but his goals and especially his off the ball runs and pressing cant be under estimated .

Of course if Newcastle bring 70 million for him then that's good business but people happy to sell him for 45-50 million dont get football

Stats are one thing. The eye test is a whole other story.

He’s 4th choice based on talent behind Delap, Pedro & Guiu.

His temperament and petulance will never allow him to play the ‘Kalou role’ as he lacks the self awareness and selflessness that Kalou had.

He is also, and I say this hand on heart, the dumbest footballer I’ve ever seen in a Chelsea shirt, he hasn’t had a proper football upbringing and will never reach the level required due to that.

His decision making/ consistent offsides/pathetic fouls are just so detrimental to this side.

The most use he can be to Chelsea’s success going forward is to generate profit that allows us to get the Hato deal over the line.

4 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Stats are one thing. The eye test is a whole other story.

He’s 4th choice based on talent behind Delap, Pedro & Guiu.

His temperament and petulance will never allow him to play the ‘Kalou role’ as he lacks the self awareness and selflessness that Kalou had.

He is also, and I say this hand on heart, the dumbest footballer I’ve ever seen in a Chelsea shirt, he hasn’t had a proper football upbringing and will never reach the level required due to that.

His decision making/ consistent offsides/pathetic fouls are just so detrimental to this side.

The most use he can be to Chelsea’s success going forward is to generate profit that allows us to get the Hato deal over the line.

I Definitely support it if we get a substantial amount of profit. We just cant sell for the same price we sold madueke. It has to be close to 70 million .

4 hours ago, The Don Antonio said:

Of course if Newcastle bring 70 million for him then that's good business but people happy to sell him for 45-50 million dont get football

Thing is you are supposed to sell him BEFORE you buy his replacements. Delap and Pedro seem to be ahead of him in the order of things and so any club with any interest in him already knows this and would be looking for a significant discount.

Said it a while back but we have all the leverage and shouldn’t entertain anything less than £60m with what strikers are going for. He’s 3rd choice, isn’t forcing a move (yet), and it seems like Maresca wants 3 strikers.

8 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Stats are one thing. The eye test is a whole other story.

He’s 4th choice based on talent behind Delap, Pedro & Guiu.

His temperament and petulance will never allow him to play the ‘Kalou role’ as he lacks the self awareness and selflessness that Kalou had.

He is also, and I say this hand on heart, the dumbest footballer I’ve ever seen in a Chelsea shirt, he hasn’t had a proper football upbringing and will never reach the level required due to that.

His decision making/ consistent offsides/pathetic fouls are just so detrimental to this side.

The most use he can be to Chelsea’s success going forward is to generate profit that allows us to get the Hato deal over the line.

Brilliant post....couldnt have said it better myself.

3 hours ago, The Don Antonio said:

I Definitely support it if we get a substantial amount of profit. We just cant sell for the same price we sold madueke. It has to be close to 70 million .

Madueke for us last season had 11 goals and 5 assists, from 2137 minutes. 1 goal contribution every 133.5 mins

The Fraud had 12 goals and 5 assists from 2322 mins.1 goal contribution every 136 mins.

So Mads, from midfield, has a better goal per minute output AND has had a proper footballing education from a young age. Even without the eye test, he is a far better player, and arguably should be more expensive than Jackson.

8 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

Stats are one thing. The eye test is a whole other story.

He’s 4th choice based on talent behind Delap, Pedro & Guiu.

His temperament and petulance will never allow him to play the ‘Kalou role’ as he lacks the self awareness and selflessness that Kalou had.

He is also, and I say this hand on heart, the dumbest footballer I’ve ever seen in a Chelsea shirt, he hasn’t had a proper football upbringing and will never reach the level required due to that.

His decision making/ consistent offsides/pathetic fouls are just so detrimental to this side.

The most use he can be to Chelsea’s success going forward is to generate profit that allows us to get the Hato deal over the line.

A brutal assessment, but also the truth.

35 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

Madueke for us last season had 11 goals and 5 assists, from 2137 minutes. 1 goal contribution every 133.5 mins

The Fraud had 12 goals and 5 assists from 2322 mins.1 goal contribution every 136 mins.

So Mads, from midfield, has a better goal per minute output AND has had a proper footballing education from a young age. Even without the eye test, he is a far better player, and arguably should be more expensive than Jackson.

To be fair maduekes numbers are inflated due to a higher involvement in the conference league .

Jackson is premiership ready and has been a starter for 2 years straight . We Chelsea fans know he is not fit to be our first choice but that doesn't mean we shd sell him cheap.

55 minutes ago, The Don Antonio said:

To be fair maduekes numbers are inflated due to a higher involvement in the conference league .

Jackson is premiership ready and has been a starter for 2 years straight . We Chelsea fans know he is not fit to be our first choice but that doesn't mean we shd sell him cheap.

Both Jackson and Madueke scored 3 goals in the conference league.

1 hour ago, nonotnowjim said:

Madueke for us last season had 11 goals and 5 assists, from 2137 minutes. 1 goal contribution every 133.5 mins

The Fraud had 12 goals and 5 assists from 2322 mins.1 goal contribution every 136 mins.

So Mads, from midfield, has a better goal per minute output AND has had a proper footballing education from a young age. Even without the eye test, he is a far better player, and arguably should be more expensive than Jackson.

How does Delap's figures compare with Jacko's last season Jim, any idea ?

Much better miles better, surely ??

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

How does Delap's figures compare with Jacko's last season Jim, any idea ?

Much better miles better, surely ??

Not sure how these can be compared when our chance creation dwarfs that of Ipswich, surely. Didn't we have the third highest chance creation in the league last year, i thought somebody posted on here.

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

Not sure how these can be compared when our chance creation dwarfs that of Ipswich, surely. Didn't we have the third highest chance creation in the league last year, i thought somebody posted on here.

Shhhhush ! Don't give Jim any ammunition!

Delap will have to fight for the right to replace Jacko I reckon. . Doesn't look ready yet, maybe a loan spell ?

6 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

How does Delap's figures compare with Jacko's last season Jim, any idea ?

Much better miles better, surely ??

Not relevant to the conversation about maduekes transfer fee. My point was simply that with a better goals per minute performance, playing from a deeper/wider position - that madueke should arguably be more expensive that Jackson.

For what it is worth, Delap played in a team that created far less chances, struggling to score and get points. Very different set of circs. Despite that he still scored more league goals (12v10) and had a slightly better goals per minute performance in the league than Jackson (a league goal every 218 mins vs 1 every 224 for Jackson)

For a young striker Jackson has been what was expected, streaky. He has good qualities, unfortunately for him he has fallen to 3rd choice now. I would bite someone’s hand off for 60m - however if Jackson decides he wants to fight for his spot, good luck to him. I can’t fault his love for Chelsea at this point. He cares, but the intelligence to be a high level striker might not be there and unfortunately for him that is due to starting his football development very late (16 I believe?).

1 minute ago, nonotnowjim said:

Not relevant to the conversation about maduekes transfer fee. My point was simply that with a better goals per minute performance, playing from a deeper/wider position - that madueke should arguably be more expensive that Jackson.

For what it is worth, Delap played in a team that created far less chances, struggling to score and get points. Very different set of circs. Despite that he still scored more league goals (12v10) and had a slightly better goals per minute performance in the league than Jackson (a league goal every 218 mins vs 1 every 224 for Jackson)

It's easier to score when you don't have loads of chances . It just just confuses players . If Jackson didn't have a multitude of different chances, but say, only 1 a game like Delap he would be ruthless , knowing that there wouldn't be loads coming along afterwards.

6 minutes ago, Clown Lake said:

For a young striker Jackson has been what was expected, streaky. He has good qualities, unfortunately for him he has fallen to 3rd choice now. I would bite someone’s hand off for 60m - however if Jackson decides he wants to fight for his spot, good luck to him. I can’t fault his love for Chelsea at this point. He cares, but the intelligence to be a high level striker might not be there and unfortunately for him that is due to starting his football development very late (16 I believe?).

How do you know he cares?

As a matter of interest what do you see as his good qualities?

14 minutes ago, Clown Lake said:

For a young striker Jackson has been what was expected, streaky. He has good qualities, unfortunately for him he has fallen to 3rd choice now. I would bite someone’s hand off for 60m - however if Jackson decides he wants to fight for his spot, good luck to him. I can’t fault his love for Chelsea at this point. He cares, but the intelligence to be a high level striker might not be there and unfortunately for him that is due to starting his football development very late (16 I believe?).

1 league goal in 6 months is not streaky. It is sh*t

on the good qualities you tease - let's see...

Is he good at finishing? ❌

Is he good at heading? ❌

Is he good at winning physical duels with defenders? ❌

Is he a player who has a good football Iq/brain ❌

Is he good at controlling the ball? ❌

Is he an assist machine - making goals week in week out? ❌

Does he have a good attitude and not sulk when things are not going his way ❌

Can he be relied upon to keep a cool head under pressure? ❌

Is he good at pressing, and running around like a headless chicken/bull in china shop? ✅

Not sure you and I agree on what constitutes "good" qualities...

22 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

It's easier to score when you don't have loads of chances . It just just confuses players . If Jackson didn't have a multitude of different chances, but say, only 1 a game like Delap he would be ruthless , knowing that there wouldn't be loads coming along afterwards.

Providing the twat could stay on the pitch long enough 😁

13 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said:

1 league goal in 6 months is not streaky. It is sh*t

on the good qualities you tease - let's see...

Is he good at finishing? ❌

Is he good at heading? ❌

Is he good at winning physical duels with defenders? ❌

Is he a player who has a good football Iq/brain ❌

Is he good at controlling the ball? ❌

Is he an assist machine - making goals week in week out? ❌

Does he have a good attitude and not sulk when things are not going his way ❌

Can he be relied upon to keep a cool head under pressure? ❌

Is he good at pressing, and running around like a headless chicken/bull in china shop? ✅

Not sure you and I agree on what constitutes "good" qualities...

He has linked up pretty well with Palmer, aside from the last 6 months when both were out of form/injured. He is also good at driving forward with the ball. His pressing is good, massive drop off in our press when we had Nkunku for example.

6 minutes ago, Clown Lake said:

He has linked up pretty well with Palmer, aside from the last 6 months when both were out of form/injured. He is also good at driving forward with the ball. His pressing is good, massive drop off in our press when we had Nkunku for example.

3 hours ago, nonotnowjim said:

Madueke for us last season had 11 goals and 5 assists, from 2137 minutes. 1 goal contribution every 133.5 mins

The Fraud had 12 goals and 5 assists from 2322 mins.1 goal contribution every 136 mins.

So Mads, from midfield, has a better goal per minute output AND has had a proper footballing education from a young age. Even without the eye test, he is a far better player, and arguably should be more expensive than Jackson.

Have you pulled these figures out of thin air?

Madueke had 11 goals and 5 assists in 2,647 minutes. G/A every 164 minutes.

Jackson had 13 goals and 6 assists in 2,535 minutes. G/A every 133 minutes.

Nicolas Jackson - Stats 24/25

Noni Madueke - Stats 24/25

13 hours ago, TheCeleryKing said:

Thing is you are supposed to sell him BEFORE you buy his replacements. Delap and Pedro seem to be ahead of him in the order of things and so any club with any interest in him already knows this and would be looking for a significant discount.

Works both way to be fair so it's a moot point.

Sell Jacko first and Brighton asks for more money for Pedro because they know we just got 70m+ on the bank.

The answer is just sell him for the amount that clears any financial problems and potentially gets us our next targets.

21 hours ago, The Boehly Babes said:

He’s 4th choice based on talent behind Delap, Pedro & Guiu.

😂😂😂😂

Is this the same Guiu that spooked Maresca vs Servette?

9 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

😂😂😂😂

Is this the same Guiu that spooked Maresca vs Servette?

Servette was nearly a year ago, when he was at the club for a couple weeks.

Guiu outscored Jackson in the conference league. I'm sure Jackson's performances against Newcastle and this pre-season spooked Maresca more.