4 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Apparently the VAR check on the disallowed goal was so quick because the VAR ref believed the on the pitch team had awarded a goal, the check quickly proved Diaz onside so he relayed check complete. 

Once the game had restarted the VAR ref understood what really went on and relayed that message however the rules state the game cannot be brought back unless it is the case of mistaken identity or a red card worthy offense.

What a bunch of clowns 🤡 🤣🤣

29 minutes ago, El regreso said:

What a bunch of clowns 🤡 🤣🤣

Right? Is that is true it is your job to be watching the game and understanding what you are reviewing VAR for. 

This excuse does not paint them in any better light.

I am confused what with this outrage for pool refereeing decision. Liverpool two red cards were as obvious as you can get. Jota first yellow wasn't a yellow but that was just unlucky, his 2nd one was 2000% yellow, just pure stupidity. 

Jones red card is simple if gusto was red Jones was red. 

The only one they can really complain was Diaz goal and that was just bizzare. 

 

As usual, there is uproar when refs make a mistake against Liverpool or United. Never see this kind of reaction when it's anybody else in the league, maybe Arsenal now and again, but never as much as the reaction we see when it goes against Liverpool or United.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

As usual, there is uproar when refs make a mistake against Liverpool or United. Never see this kind of reaction when it's anybody else in the league, maybe Arsenal now and again, but never as much as the reaction we see when it goes against Liverpool or United.

You only have to watch the reaction on things like match of the day.

We get a ridiculous decision against us and its chuckles all round, isn't that hilarious.

Liverpool get 1 bad decision and its the worst reffing ever, discussions need to be had over a total change in how things are done, a 100% studs into the shin suddenly becomes "harsh". Strangely that was the correct decision last week when we lost a player to a lot less than that. 

There was a blatant penalty not given today, keeper just cleaned a player out, not given after var review.

Weirdly there's not been a massive outrage on this one, no immediate apologies etc.

 

 

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1 hour ago, dkw said:

There was a blatant penalty not given today, keeper just cleaned a player out, not given after var review.

Weirdly there's not been a massive outrage on this one, no immediate apologies etc.

 

 

Did not happen against media darlings. You know the drill.

Its not worth going into really.... the issue is not about dodgy decisions, they happen all the time, in the context of the game they can fill you with rage,  I get all that. 

.... the issue here is which club has received an official apology ? .... answer none except the dippers !  it is unbelievable really what do they have over the rest of us ? 

 

 

1 hour ago, andy said:

Its not worth going into really.... the issue is not about dodgy decisions, they happen all the time, in the context of the game they can fill you with rage,  I get all that. 

.... the issue here is which club has received an official apology ? .... answer none except the dippers !  it is unbelievable really what do they have over the rest of us ? 

 

 

A Liverpool statement said they are "exploring all courses of possible action" over the incident. Saying it calls in to question sporting integrity.

Could we see the game being replayed? 

Happened once in my time for different reasons when Arsenal replayed a FA Cup tie vs Sheff United after Arsenal scored when they should have given the ball back.

34 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

A Liverpool statement said they are "exploring all courses of possible action" over the incident. Saying it calls in to question sporting integrity.

Could we see the game being replayed? 

Happened once in my time for different reasons when Arsenal replayed a FA Cup tie vs Sheff United after Arsenal scored when they should have given the ball back.

That was Wenger asking for the game to be replayed. Would work in one off cup games. League games are a different matter, it would set a precedent and open a can  of worms. Bad decisions happen, live with it!

I love it. They love VAR when it’s calling Lukaku and Havertz offsides by a millimeter or when Keita almost castrated Chalobah so it’s funny seeing them change their tune. 
 

As DKW mentioned, haven’t seen anything near the same energy when Mike Dean openly admitted to cheating during the Cucurella hair pull. 

5 hours ago, dkw said:

There was a blatant penalty not given today, keeper just cleaned a player out, not given after var review.

Weirdly there's not been a massive outrage on this one, no immediate apologies etc.

 

 

Looked like he played the ball to me !

My two pennies, I think they should:

1. Have a player's review team on the VAR... So VAR/PRT check it... then check the PRT agree, if they don't they both check it again and then the VAR decisions stands
2. Have a drink/drugs check on everyone in the VAR/PRT teams before and after the game so there is ff'ing around at the expense of our clubs

 

Sporting integrity? What a load of sh*te. If they cared about sporting integrity, they would speak up when they get a bad decision in their favour, but they don't. They don't care about sporting integrity, they just hate the fact that they were on the end of a few of those bad calls for once.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

 

Sporting integrity? What a load of sh*te. If they cared about sporting integrity, they would speak up when they get a bad decision in their favour, but they don't. They don't care about sporting integrity, they just hate the fact that they were on the end of a few of those bad calls for once.

Given what was on the line for a few sides this is the sort of reaction I would have expected when that games a few years ago between Villa and Sheff United so Hawkeye fail and deny Shedf United a clear goal. Relegation battle was very tight then.

8 hours ago, Bebe1980 said:

Looked like he played the ball to me !

I really hope your taking the piss.

14 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

As usual, there is uproar when refs make a mistake against Liverpool or United. Never see this kind of reaction when it's anybody else in the league, maybe Arsenal now and again, but never as much as the reaction we see when it goes against Liverpool or United.

I still remember that game years ago where Sky did a full showcase on "Diego Costa Crimes" 

What I loved about Jose is that he wasn't afraid to call it out, he knew the ridiculous bias the media had towards Liverpool. Luis Suarez never got that form of treatment and he was one of the biggest cheats the Premier League has ever seen. 

I can't really blame the dippers for fighting their ground, the difference is that Chelsea Club has never called the refs off with the amount of evidence there is. Two referees have come out and said publicly that they have premeditatedly taken decisions against Chelsea and, what has the Club done? Nothing.

9 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

 

Sporting integrity? What a load of sh*te. If they cared about sporting integrity, they would speak up when they get a bad decision in their favour, but they don't. They don't care about sporting integrity, they just hate the fact that they were on the end of a few of those bad calls for once.

I am confused with this. Pool var  mistake was a simple honest mistake. There was no bias, nothing, it was genuine protocol error, so it doesn't  hurt the game's integrity whatsoever. 

Now, onana penalty, Ake offside, Cucu hair pull or Bruno offside goal on the other hand make you question var. 

 

 

16 hours ago, dkw said:

There was a blatant penalty not given today, keeper just cleaned a player out, not given after var review.

Weirdly there's not been a massive outrage on this one, no immediate apologies etc.

 

 

I find that a tricky one because it looks a bit like the keeper is going to kick the ball and during that motion, a player has managed to place themselves between foot and ball. So perhaps not intentional, and also unavoidable? More just a coming together? Seen worse decisions, like being flagged offside in your own half for one.

44 minutes ago, Snedger said:

I find that a tricky one because it looks a bit like the keeper is going to kick the ball and during that motion, a player has managed to place themselves between foot and ball. So perhaps not intentional, and also unavoidable? More just a coming together? Seen worse decisions, like being flagged offside in your own half for one.

Intent hasnt got anything to do with the rule, I think its something a lot of fans get confused by, I know I used to. I think intent used to be taken into account for the severity of a card, but its never had any impact on the decision. That has to be 100% a penalty, hes just taken the lad out. Yet amazingly it want given.

8 minutes ago, dkw said:

Intent hasnt got anything to do with the rule, I think its something a lot of fans get confused by, I know I used to. I think intent used to be taken into account for the severity of a card, but its never had any impact on the decision. That has to be 100% a penalty, hes just taken the lad out. Yet amazingly it want given.

He may have taken the guy out but it was probably accidental and/or unintentional in which case there was no act for the ref to deem "unfair".

4 hours ago, dkw said:

I really hope your taking the piss.

I think it was pretty late when I first looked at it... 😁

9 minutes ago, Bebe1980 said:

He may have taken the guy out but it was probably accidental and/or unintentional in which case there was no act for the ref to deem "unfair".

Intent has nothing to do with the rule. ITs a penalty.

Apologies if I am repeating what is already said but reading some of the pundit/journalist reaction to the Liverpool/Spurs offside incident has me riled. 

There is so much comparison between decisions that have and haven't been given in the past, even ours against Liverpool where Lukaku was given offside when it looked like he was on, but they are missing the point so much. This isn't a subjective call, this isn't even a line being a pixel away from a players shoulder or from a weird camera angle. This is a complete breakdown in communication where VAR knew the answer and the referee gave a different one.

This 'mistake' has put on massive spotlight on what I think the biggest issue VAR faces, they have NO procedure on how a check should be carried out. Its different every single time a decision goes to VAR. 

Every time I watch Rugby, there is a set process that is followed. For tries, if there is debate, the referee initiates contact with TMO by saying "Onfield decision is xyz, not sure on grounding/not sure on forward pass etc" TMO then repeat that to confirm and also add anything else that they will be checking. As they check each aspect, they confirm what has been checked, its outcome and what they are checking next. It is a systematic process that is uniformly followed every time so that the referee can confidently relay to players etc the current situation. 

For red/yellow cards, the referee is alerted and told to halt the game. They explain exactly what is being checked and show the referee on the big screen. He provides his decision and asks if they agree. They either confirm (or like they did this weekend, point out where he may be wrong) and the decision is given. When giving a decision the referee calls both captains over, fully explains his reasoning and the players have to respect it based on the explanation provided. 

We know all of the above because the replays are shown in stadiums as well as TV having access to TMO and Referees Mic. The entire process is transparent and the referee communicates his decision to both TMO and the teams captains before giving the decision on field. 

There is absolutely nothing above that cannot be done in premier league. Referee's, whilst being sh*t, are completely mismanaged and left to try and control chaos. They have been given one of the most powerful tools with no user manual and, as expected, it is being used so badly that they are now even not able to clearly say to each other when a goal is offside or not. They are trying to rush decisions as to not get berated for ruining the game, the decisions are made with no transparency or explanation to the captains etc and it is all falling apart. 

I don't care what anyone says, top level football needs video referees. If used correctly, it would benefit the game beyond compare. But we are so far away from competent use that they'll get rid of it before they make it better.