August 4, 20232 yr 43 minutes ago, Argo said: I seem to remember you being just as dismissive about Jackson. Maybe we can wait until they've played on the pitch. Not to mention, not long back you said signing older heads were a risk free strategy so why are you complaining about a couple of such coming in? Yes, because it was proven to work over 2 decades. Is it £700 million we have spent now over the last 12 months or so? £700 million and the only top class players in the entire squad are the two or three players that were here when they took over.
August 4, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, OriginalS said: Yes, because it was proven to work over 2 decades. Is it £700 million we have spent now over the last 12 months or so? £700 million and the only top class players in the entire squad are the two or three players that were here when they took over. And yet, despite this statement - so many on here were so quick to turn on the previous manager(s) for the lack of results.
August 4, 20232 yr 53 minutes ago, Argo said: I seem to remember you being just as dismissive about Jackson. Maybe we can wait until they've played on the pitch. Not to mention, not long back you said signing older heads were a risk free strategy so why are you complaining about a couple of such coming in? I`1m sure were all massively surprised to see him talking negatively about something to do with Chelsea....
August 4, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, nonotnowjim said: And yet, despite this statement - so many on here were so quick to turn on the previous manager(s) for the lack of results. If you isolated Graham Potters term he had us in a relegation battle. The squad isn't good but it's not Graham Potter bad either. But the owners breaking the world record for Graham Potter in the first place just underlines my point really...
August 4, 20232 yr 12 minutes ago, dkw said: I`1m sure were all massively surprised to see him talking negatively about something to do with Chelsea.... Says you. You were a whiny bastard when we were actually winning you hypocrite. "Go now, bring in Potter" famous last words innit. Edited August 4, 20232 yr by OriginalS
August 4, 20232 yr Excellent at short range reflex saves, Excellent shot stopper. Good passer of the ball. Awful at corners flaps at the ball rather than punching or catching under pressure. Absolutely dross at penalties, infact of the penalties I've seen him face on YouTube (4) plus a cup shoot out he doesn't even bother to dive! . £25 million for a sulky almost good Keeper is ludicrous. Obviously this is just my opinion but the proof is freely available to view, Roberts obviously persuaded the boss to part with the money for Sanchez but I just can't see that he's worth that Glad to be proved wrong btw.
August 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, dkw said: Its not similar money, Arsenal have a had low ball bid rejected and hes likely to go for between £35 and 40m. Oh okay, I didn't realise it was rejected.
August 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, OriginalS said: Yes, because it was proven to work over 2 decades. Is it £700 million we have spent now over the last 12 months or so? £700 million and the only top class players in the entire squad are the two or three players that were here when they took over. Then why are you complaining we've signed two experienced players? As for it "proven to work", didn't for us the last two summers.
August 4, 20232 yr 55 minutes ago, Arch said: Excellent at short range reflex saves, Excellent shot stopper. Good passer of the ball. Awful at corners flaps at the ball rather than punching or catching under pressure. Absolutely dross at penalties, infact of the penalties I've seen him face on YouTube (4) plus a cup shoot out he doesn't even bother to dive! . £25 million for a sulky almost good Keeper is ludicrous. Obviously this is just my opinion but the proof is freely available to view, Roberts obviously persuaded the boss to part with the money for Sanchez but I just can't see that he's worth that Glad to be proved wrong btw. It only truly makes sense if it gets us Caicedo off the back of it. No Caicedo and it's pointless, whilst he is decent in some areas there are also plenty of other options.
August 4, 20232 yr I think Sanchez could work out to be a decent keeper for us. But did we over pay for him? Yes, I think we did. David Raya to Arsenal transfer: £23m offer submitted. Raya Vs. Sanchez
August 4, 20232 yr Meh am happy with it, 25M is not a lot in today's market and I feel it was either a budget GK or somebody worth 80-120M which is money that we can't spend due to caicedo and other priorities. Give kepa and sanchez a year and then replace if needed there is no rush.
August 4, 20232 yr I feel brighton and chelsea have some way of getting around FFP. I think this is overpriced because we are going to underpay for caicedo due to him having a sell on fee so brighton gets to keep more money but we are happy because we killed two birds with one stone A proper CDM and a 2nd choice GK that can keep kepa on his toes. Clever business or dumb strategy? We need to wait and find out how good sanchez is, I heard he is pretty decent and was out of favour + got PL experience which is good
August 4, 20232 yr 5 minutes ago, Conte said: I feel brighton and chelsea have some way of getting around FFP. I think this is overpriced because we are going to underpay for caicedo due to him having a sell on fee so brighton gets to keep more money but we are happy because we killed two birds with one stone A proper CDM and a 2nd choice GK that can keep kepa on his toes. Clever business or dumb strategy? We need to wait and find out how good sanchez is, I heard he is pretty decent and was out of favour + got PL experience which is good Seems to be the hopes for theory, yet everything Brighton are putting forward is it is either 100mill or Caicedo stays. Let's see when Sanchez is officially done and paid for. If there is something in this then the Caicedo deal should be agreed quickly.
August 4, 20232 yr 16 hours ago, Argo said: If it was as recently as last January we tried to get him we'd have been likely quoted around £50m. Similar to United with Mount, we're paying for what they are at their best not what went on in the recent months. Still think that after seeing Raya heading to Arsenal for a similar price? £50m for Sanchez is a figure plucked from the air. What had Sanchez acheived that would mean he would be priced as the 3rd most expensive keeper ever? I will flip it then, if we waited until next January to sign him, what would his price be considering he would most likely not have played any minutes for them? Mount for £55m isnt remotely compatible either. Let's be real, if we sold mount at his best price for us, it would closer to the £100m city paid for Grealish, possibly more. £55m represents a massive discount on Mounts potential, with everything he has acheived, and can potentially achieve. Mounts price is lower because his contract is expiring too. Hopefully Sanchez is a smash hit here, and we get Caicedo too, then all talk of how much we spent is quickly forgotten.
August 4, 20232 yr You'd have to think that either our sporting directors are utter idiots to pay 20-25m for Sanchez, or that this is all a tactic to get Brighton more (total) money for Caicedo by overpaying on sanchez to offset the sell-on fee that brighton owe to Caicedo's ecuadorian club and they just need to wait a few days before announcing the caicedo deal? No one would pay that much for sanchez unless they are very very bad at this whole transfer thing... The club that gets screwed is the Ecuadorian club, and it seems awfully shady but if an overpay of ~10m on Sanchez allows Brighton to keep 5m more of Caicedo fee, then it probably is even. But you'd hope that both deals are already agreed and the clubs are waiting a couple extra days before finalizing the Caicedo one, to keep up appearances however, it seems a bit foolish to trust the word of Bloom to actually follow through, so hopefully it was all in writing
August 4, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, big blue said: Still think that after seeing Raya heading to Arsenal for a similar price? £50m for Sanchez is a figure plucked from the air. What had Sanchez acheived that would mean he would be priced as the 3rd most expensive keeper ever? I will flip it then, if we waited until next January to sign him, what would his price be considering he would most likely not have played any minutes for them? Mount for £55m isnt remotely compatible either. Let's be real, if we sold mount at his best price for us, it would closer to the £100m city paid for Grealish, possibly more. £55m represents a massive discount on Mounts potential, with everything he has acheived, and can potentially achieve. Mounts price is lower because his contract is expiring too. Hopefully Sanchez is a smash hit here, and we get Caicedo too, then all talk of how much we spent is quickly forgotten. Raya has one year on his contract, Sanchez in his pre De Zerbi form with two years left would have been extremely hard to get out of Brighton. Funnily enough I remember when we were linked to Raya many people were going off on one about his height and the goals he's conceded from range, yet now he's off to Arsenal we've apparently missed a trick. The only reason Sanchez is "third choice" is because he aggressively wants to leave so they signed his replacement in advance, as the Brighton fan I quoted said, he patiently waited for a route back into the first team, took his chance well against us and United when he got the chance then was dropped straight after and still didn't get back in even after Steele allowed Everton to score 15% of their season tally in 90 minutes (shortly after letting 3 fly past him at Forest). He was far from my first choice I'm not going to deny that but Bloom letting us have him at this price if he's still their undisputed #1? Not a snowball in hells chance.
August 4, 20232 yr we overpaid he's worth 15 at most i suspect the extra money is just a veiled deposit for the Caicedo deal
August 4, 20232 yr 9 minutes ago, azpi28 said: we overpaid he's worth 15 at most i suspect the extra money is just a veiled deposit for the Caicedo deal We did overpay. I believe Brighton in what they say about Caicedo going for no less than his 100mill asking price. I don't think Sanchez has changed that. Either we cave and give them 100mill, or we don't get him. Brighton seem to me determined to make Caicedo their statement on transfers and them being taken seriously.
August 4, 20232 yr We have been took to the cleaners again by Brighton, he’s a average keeper at best I honestly don’t rate our negotiation team seems we overpay and underprice
August 4, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Argo said: Raya has one year on his contract, Sanchez in his pre De Zerbi form with two years left would have been extremely hard to get out of Brighton. Funnily enough I remember when we were linked to Raya many people were going off on one about his height and the goals he's conceded from range, yet now he's off to Arsenal we've apparently missed a trick. The only reason Sanchez is "third choice" is because he aggressively wants to leave so they signed his replacement in advance, as the Brighton fan I quoted said, he patiently waited for a route back into the first team, took his chance well against us and United when he got the chance then was dropped straight after and still didn't get back in even after Steele allowed Everton to score 15% of their season tally in 90 minutes (shortly after letting 3 fly past him at Forest). He was far from my first choice I'm not going to deny that but Bloom letting us have him at this price if he's still their undisputed #1? Not a snowball in hells chance. But he isnt though is he? That's the point. They have 2 keepers ahead of him, and his value is plummeting. If Brighton valued him as the 3rd most expensive keeper 8 months ago is completely irrelevant. We are buying him right now, under these circumstances. Given the circumstances, we have overpaid by about £10m. I'm okay with that if it has some beneficial knock on effects.
August 4, 20232 yr Anyone thinking this has anything to do with getting a better price on Caicedo is living in cloud cuckoo land. We've overpaid for Sanchez because our goalkeeper coach, Ben Roberts, has recommended him. The boards big mistake here is recruiting so many people from Brighton. Replace elite staff with relegation/mid table staff and this is what you get. Boehly and co have been a shambles from day 1.
August 4, 20232 yr Looking forward to a few years from now when we have all these players with 4 years left and unable to get rid of them, when/if they don't work out.
August 4, 20232 yr 23 minutes ago, Term_X said: A 7 year what? Good lord. Crazy. We are spending like we have more money than anybody in the world, but it's being spent on mediocrity.
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