7 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Sure, but he did figure it out towards the end and for the second half of the season we were a Top 4 side. Following the trajectory we would have been a top 4 side next season under him and most supporters were genuinely happy with how we looked for most of the final two months.

To throw all that out so hire some Championship manager is absolutely bonkers and you know it too. McKenna's principles will not work well for a top side in the Premier League I can guarantee that.

And yes we have an idea. Just as most of us knew that Potter was a downgrade on Tuchel.

He got us on a winning run thanks to Enzo’s injury. He was forced to find a cover for him while keeping Gallagher as attacking midfielder, and that’s where Cucurella came in.

Now ask yourself, if Enzo didn’t get an injury would Poch change anything? I don’t think he would and we would have finished the season mid table.

I genuinely think next season will make a lot of people realise just how bad Poch was.

55 minutes ago, cfr95 said:

brother the last time we scored more goals than this season we won the league.

Scored more goals? Yes - we did. But the style didn’t change, and our ability to control a game didn’t change, and our ability to defend a set piece didn’t change…. So where is the balance?

Lamps mk1 had us scoring more - but that doesn’t make for a winning club. Balance and system is key - and Poch didn’t have it or ever look close to it, in fact, he heavily stuck to the slow ,ponderous and passive MO if passing it around the defenders for 60% of every game method.

Edited May 23, 20242 yr by nonotnowjim

2 hours ago, Bob stark said:

I agree with you, the board want to go different way than the manager so they have a divorce, I have no problem with that. 

This is not what discussion all about. @nonotnowjim want a manager to establish an identity . 

It doesn't matter what identity or style. It is difficult to find style that fit player who require different system and characteristic to perform. Enzo is probably better at more possesion based style whereas Mudyrk is better of at direct style.

The manager can also think 343 is the best way. Can the manager bin all the wingers? 

If the answer is no and the SD want the players that rhy bought to play then establishing identity is impossible. 

 

 

I think it’s a good point of whether the players can be made to fit together and establish an identity. My bet is yes but I wouldn’t be surprised to be wrong. 

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

So why didn't he figure it out in the 6 months prior when most of the average Joe's on this forum could see the glaring issues. 

What principles of his exactly won't work, can you name them? You keep mentioning principles, what the f**k are you even talking about? 

I think he attempted to make Caicedo-Enzo work for far too long (likely pushed by the owners to do so) and it hurt both us and him. Enzo getting injured freed Pochettino up and we immediately started to perform when he could change the midfield set-up. Caicedo-Cucurella-Gallagher was 100% something to build on for next season but now thats out the window just like that. And back to Caicedo and Enzo we go...

Well, his football is not based on possession and control for one. Which happens to be the winning formula in the Premier League for the best part of a decade now. He likes to use a big bastard up front to fire crosses and long balls towards which is not what we would want to do and otherwise he just tells attackers to do whatever they want (Omari who said this btw).

For me his style works for a typical underdog like Ipswich when the players rally around him. He had the momentum behind him at that club (after he got them promoted) and to his credit he kept that momentum going all the way through to promotion. But I don't think it will translate well to this club and these players. De Zerbi for example would have been a much, much better fit.

11 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

e got us on a winning run thanks to Enzo’s injury. He was forced to find a cover for him while keeping Gallagher as attacking midfielder, and that’s where Cucurella came in.

I agree. But I think the owners forced his hand on Enzo. Pochettino himself even said they'll kill him if he doesn't play him.

And I think they will continue to due so with the next manager whether we like it or not.

7 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

He got us on a winning run thanks to Enzo’s injury. He was forced to find a cover for him while keeping Gallagher as attacking midfielder, and that’s where Cucurella came in.

Now ask yourself, if Enzo didn’t get an injury would Poch change anything? I don’t think he would and we would have finished the season mid table.

I genuinely think next season will make a lot of people realise just how bad Poch was.

Im absolutely fed up of this narrative of Poch stumbling on a winning formula because of Enzo's injury. 

Are we actually turning a scenario where a manager lost his £100m midfielder for the business end of the season and managed to adapt and finish strongly, into a negative? Whether you believe he should have moved to that earlier or not, many other managers would have got it wrong. Would have said, "No I will drop connor in and give one of my young exciting new attackers a run out further forward, keeping Cucu as a standard LB". Poch had a decision to make and made the correct one. There not a single oracle on this website that has the answer to where we would or wouldn't have been if it had been done sooner or later or not at all.

To answer your question on wether he would have changed it without the injury? Probably not. But what qualifys you to dictate that this would have meant we would have finished mid table? As far as I am concerned, even with our league breaking inverting full back system, we were still pushed VERY close in multiple games on the run in. Who can categorically say that Cucu at inverted full back was what got us over the line?

There is a reason why we are all sat on our asses watching the game and why all these journalists who 'expertly' break down tactical shapes and decisions are not sat in the dugout of even a non league football team. Its almost as if theres slightly more to it.

3 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

I think he attempted to make Caicedo-Enzo work for far too long (likely pushed by the owners to do so) and it hurt both us and him. Enzo getting injured freed Pochettino up and we immediately started to perform when he could change the midfield set-up. Caicedo-Cucurella-Gallagher was 100% something to build on for next season but now thats out the window just like that. And back to Caicedo and Enzo we go...

Well, his football is not based on possession and control for one. Which happens to be the winning formula in the Premier League for the best part of a decade now. He likes to use a big bastard up front to fire crosses and long balls towards which is not what we would want to do and otherwise he just tells attackers to do whatever they want (Omari who said this btw).

For me his style works for a typical underdog like Ipswich when the players rally around him. He had the momentum behind him at that club (after he got them promoted) and to his credit he kept that momentum going all the way through to promotion. But I don't think it will translate well to this club and these players. De Zerbi for example would have been a much, much better fit.

Enzo was dropping MOTM performances against Liverpool playing deeper, for the rest of the season we then saw Enzo stood up top next to the striker. Enzo and Caicedo can and will work together, Poch's 'tactics' are why our build up was so shocking.

In 22/23 Ipswich had the most possession, most passes, and third-lowest long-ball count in the division, what the f**k are you talking about haha. How can you have an issue with attackers having freedom when Cole said Poch let him do the exact same? https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/palmer-im-loving-life-here "He's given me the freedom to play my stuff and I like it when he frees you because I feel I can express myself on the pitch more".

Please do a crumb of research before putting your tin foil hat on once again. 

1 minute ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Please do a crumb of research before putting your tin foil hat on once again. 

Alright, we'll come back to that post in March if we hire him.

Ipswich with one of the leakier defences in the Championship, shipping more goals than Bristol, Millwall and Sunderland. McKenna's M.O. is that he will outscore the oppo. You can get away with it in the Championship. We'll see.

9 minutes ago, OriginalS said:

Alright, we'll come back to that post in March if we hire him.

10 months won't change his style of play in the Championship and League One.

3 minutes ago, dermott said:

Ipswich with one of the leakier defences in the Championship, shipping more goals than Bristol, Millwall and Sunderland. McKenna's M.O. is that he will outscore the oppo. You can get away with it in the Championship. We'll see.

He'd be the continuity candidate then! Note that they were also the top scorers in the league. 

Hard no on Maresca and De Zerbi. McKenna might be the real deal though.

3 minutes ago, dermott said:

Ipswich with one of the leakier defences in the Championship, shipping more goals than Bristol, Millwall and Sunderland. McKenna's M.O. is that he will outscore the oppo. You can get away with it in the Championship. We'll see.

Ipswich with more goals scored than Champions Leicester with 1/11th of their budget with their league one squad.

Sunderland spent 3x what Ipswich did, Bristol spent double and Milwall spent 50% more.

Just now, PloKoon13 said:

He'd be the continuity candidate then! Note that they were also the top scorers in the league. 

Hard no on Maresca and De Zerbi. McKenna might be the real deal though.

So were Burnley.

5 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Ipswich with more goals scored than Champions Leicester with 1/11th of their budget with their league one squad.

Sunderland spent 3x what Ipswich did, Bristol spent double and Milwall spent 50% more.

Scoring goals is half the story. There's another half. 

8 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Ipswich with more goals scored than Champions Leicester with 1/11th of their budget with their league one squad.

Sunderland spent 3x what Ipswich did, Bristol spent double and Milwall spent 50% more.

If we wanted to outscore opponents we should have kept Poch. 

Its a bit ironic that Nigel Adkins who Pochettino replaced at Southampton had also just secured consecutive promotions from League One to the Premiership before he was sacked in favour of Poch only for Southampton to improve massively under him.

Paul Lambert also did it at Norwich about 10 years ago. But at least we'll have Adkins or Lambert as backups if McKenna fails!

 

25 minutes ago, dermott said:

So were Burnley.

Sounds like we probably shouldn’t replace all of Chelsea with all of Ipswich because all of Ipswich might not do well in Premier League.

 

Should limit our interest to just the manager who beat a number of significantly better resourced opponents.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Ipswich with one of the leakier defences in the Championship, shipping more goals than Bristol, Millwall and Sunderland. McKenna's M.O. is that he will outscore the oppo. You can get away with it in the Championship. We'll see.

He should fit in well here then

Be interesting to see how McKenna gets the best out of Victor Osimhen and Alphonso Davies.

You heard it here first.

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Kieran McKenna has given #Chelsea the green light to step up their approach. He is keen on the job. Ipswich Town are thought to be able to command compensation north of £4M for McKenna.

[via @NickPurewal]

How long before he's interested in Barca and Bayern too😂.

 

 

Edited May 23, 20242 yr by Nick05

1 hour ago, dansubrosa said:

He got us on a winning run thanks to Enzo’s injury. He was forced to find a cover for him while keeping Gallagher as attacking midfielder, and that’s where Cucurella came in.

Now ask yourself, if Enzo didn’t get an injury would Poch change anything? I don’t think he would and we would have finished the season mid table.

I genuinely think next season will make a lot of people realise just how bad Poch was.

Let's hope you're right, but first we need to get the right manager in which is no easy task. 

One of my biggest gripes with Pochettino this season was his constant shoehorning of Gallagher in the attacking 4. And I think we dropped many points because of it, especially in the silly games like Burnley and Sheffield where we needed that creativity. 

I do think Enzo's absence inadvertently helped Pochettino, that's one thing I have to agree on. I think Poch deserved another season but I had little confidence in him solving the Enzo and Caicedo problem. The next manager we get needs to be able to play our best 11 together. 

I have a sneaky feeling we are going to end up with RDZ. The link to McKenna & Marseca is a smokescreen to get Brighton to appoint a new manager.

Xavi will likely be leaving Barca very soon.

Probably another one to add to the list.

5 hours ago, Night-T said:

Hoping for a German Manager. Hopefully a new cult hero like Klopp, Tuchel. 

Hoeneß would be my favo pick. 

As a Belgian guy, seeing how horrible his spell was at Anderlecht. I do not hope Kompany. 

He still needs time to get better. 

I don't watch the Championship, so I can't judge those managers, but when I saw the budget of Ipswich (which was ones of the lowest in the competition -15th.) and then the one from Leicester (PSG budget in the championship). Then Ipswich was pretty impressive and Leicester more to be expected. 

From the names being quoted i think that Hoeness would probably be my first choice. It would help if he brought Guirassy with him as well

Edited May 23, 20242 yr by WhiteWall

2 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I think he's still pining for Potter !

You got to love Jim, apparently didn't want either of them sacked, but made every excuse in the f**king book for Potter while slagging Pochettino off at every opportunity.