15 hours ago, Remodez said:

Fantastic squad player, the problem is he cost £50m.

A problem for who? Whether he's worth the price the club paid is a different discussion to whether he's a good squad player or not.

8 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Go have a look who Neto’s goals and assists came against this season.

I did...not one of them against a team full of players you might find with a part time job pulling pints in The Horse and Crown.

If you think bottom half of the Premier league is broadly similar to league 1 then I can understand why you think Garnacho is a quality player.

29 minutes ago, loz said:

I did...not one of them against a team full of players you might find with a part time job pulling pints in The Horse and Crown.

If you think bottom half of the Premier league is broadly similar to league 1 then I can understand why you think Garnacho is a quality player.

You do realise Neto scored against Cardiff too, right?

7 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

You do realise Neto scored against Cardiff too, right?

Yes. I also know Garnacho scored against Qarabag . He has one goal against a remotely decent side.

This is why using stats to defend an already very weak argument is like using a healthy salad to feed Eden Hazard in the summer break.

21 minutes ago, loz said:

Yes. I also know Garnacho scored against Qarabag . He has one goal against a remotely decent side.

This is why using stats to defend an already very weak argument is like using a healthy salad to feed Eden Hazard in the summer break.

Genuinely not sure if you're talking about Garnacho or Neto?

They both have a contribution against Sunderland, the rest of them are relegation fodder.

Neither are good enough, however only one is being lauded as POTS laughably.

2 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Genuinely not sure if you're talking about Garnacho or Neto?

They both have a contribution against Sunderland, the rest of them are relegation fodder.

Neither are good enough, however only one is being lauded as POTS laughably.

3 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Genuinely not sure if you're talking about Garnacho or Neto?

They both have a contribution against Sunderland, the rest of them are relegation fodder.

Neither are good enough, however only one is being lauded as POTS laughably.

I would agree Neto shouldn't be in the conversation for POTS. Only really Caciedo is in that conversation. James might be too if he had been played at right back more often.

Now if we are talking 'Worst Value for Money Since AOL and Time Warner Merged' of the season there are a number in that conversation Neto isn't one of them but, based on performances to date, Garnacho is

2 minutes ago, loz said:

I would agree Neto shouldn't be in the conversation for POTS. Only really Caciedo is in that conversation. James might be too if he had been played at right back more often.

Now if we are talking 'Worst Value for Money Since AOL and Time Warner Merged' of the season there are a number in that conversation Neto isn't one of them but, based on performances to date, Garnacho is

Garnacho for 40M and 75K a week is much better value than Neto for 54M and 160K a week.

Double the salary for the same output in his prime. Insane

12 minutes ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Garnacho for 40M and 75K a week is much better value than Neto for 54M and 160K a week.

Double the salary for the same output in his prime. Insane

A punchable face means reduced wages. I would argue Garnacho is overpaid even on the punchability pay grade.

1 hour ago, Valerie said:

A punchable face means reduced wages. I would argue Garnacho is overpaid even on the punchability pay grade.

Garnacho's brother probably exchanged some basic salary for a higher percentage of image rights LOL

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Garnacho for 40M and 75K a week is much better value than Neto for 54M and 160K a week.

Double the salary for the same output in his prime. Insane

Garnacho is on 110K a week according to Capology.

It dilutes your argument a little, but it broadly still stands !

You hit the nail on the head when you said that neither is good enough (for a team with aspirations to win the PL)

If the argument is look at who the goals and assists came against... then perhaps that needs to be applied to those who have not scored against those sides?

Like it or not, Neto is one of the most effective players we currently have most likely to do something for us in a game and if his goals put points on the board, then brilliant.

We usually struggle to beat those lowly positioned sides so glad we have a flat track bully/ yorkshire terrier tearing it up against them who DID put the ball away or we'd be flirting with relegation sides.

No problem with Neto on left wing, but if he's being played at right wing ahead of Palmer/Estevao then that is a problem in my book as you are denying our best attacking players their optimal position in the starting XI.

The directors are basically at fault for stockpiling players who all play in the same positions rather than building a properly balanced squad at the right level to compete now (not in 5 years time) for the PL title.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Garnacho is on 110K a week according to Capology.

It dilutes your argument a little, but it broadly still stands !

You hit the nail on the head when you said that neither is good enough (for a team with aspirations to win the PL)

Bloody AI, can't trust it

Just now, GarnachoCheese said:

Bloody AI, can't trust it

Not saying you can trust Capology either LOL, but you definitely have to check anything AI tells you !

I don't think he'd have moved if the increase was only from 50 to 75/90 ... plus it doesn't fit our mobs usual propensity to significantly overpay on contracts vs what players were getting at their previous clubs ...

32 minutes ago, bluelightening said:

If the argument is look at who the goals and assists came against... then perhaps that needs to be applied to those who have not scored against those sides?

Like it or not, Neto is one of the most effective players we currently have most likely to do something for us in a game and if his goals put points on the board, then brilliant.

We usually struggle to beat those lowly positioned sides so glad we have a flat track bully/ yorkshire terrier tearing it up against them who DID put the ball away or we'd be flirting with relegation sides.

I've been waiting a while to go full Jim, but...

Pedro Neto:

Second goal in a 5-1 win against West Ham

Second goal in a 3-0 win against Ange's Forest

Third goal in a 3-0 win against Wolves

First goal in a 2-0 win against Burnley

Goal against Leeds in a game we lost

So all in his goals have put points on the board a grand total of zero times. Maybe an argument to be made for Burnley.

1 hour ago, GarnachoCheese said:

I've been waiting a while to go full Jim, but...

Pedro Neto:

Second goal in a 5-1 win against West Ham

Second goal in a 3-0 win against Ange's Forest

Third goal in a 3-0 win against Wolves

First goal in a 2-0 win against Burnley

Goal against Leeds in a game we lost

So all in his goals have put points on the board a grand total of zero times. Maybe an argument to be made for Burnley.

And... and... and... go argue with children in a playground mate. Chelsea player scores goals, its just youre not a fan of his, neither am I but comparing him to other premier league footballers, he's up there on output terms, you just dont want to give him credit, he is one of our most "potent" attacking threats and you clearly want others to do better... Out of interest who is doing better than Neto in our squad that you'd like to play?

Usually the second goal kills off a game, but not when Neto scores it. Cool.

Have a good xmas, and enjoy debating with others next year.

5 hours ago, bluelightening said:

And... and... and... go argue with children in a playground mate. Chelsea player scores goals, its just youre not a fan of his, neither am I but comparing him to other premier league footballers, he's up there on output terms, you just dont want to give him credit, he is one of our most "potent" attacking threats and you clearly want others to do better... Out of interest who is doing better than Neto in our squad that you'd like to play?

Usually the second goal kills off a game, but not when Neto scores it. Cool.

Have a good xmas, and enjoy debating with others next year.

Palmer and Estevao are both better on the right.

I reckon he's more than ok for us. Gets credit from me for at least putting a shift in and looking interested ! 😂

9 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Garnacho is on 110K a week according to Capology.

It dilutes your argument a little, but it broadly still stands !

You hit the nail on the head when you said that neither is good enough (for a team with aspirations to win the PL)

I'd argue that the only questionable part of your post is the part in brackets.

8 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

I've been waiting a while to go full Jim, but...

Pedro Neto:

Second goal in a 5-1 win against West Ham

Second goal in a 3-0 win against Ange's Forest

Third goal in a 3-0 win against Wolves

First goal in a 2-0 win against Burnley

Goal against Leeds in a game we lost

So all in his goals have put points on the board a grand total of zero times. Maybe an argument to be made for Burnley.

I'm assuming it is the sheer volume of Garnacho goals which means it is taking you so long to do the same analysis.

The only place where Garnacho exceeds Neto is when you spell their names on a scrabble board.

4 hours ago, loz said:

I'm assuming it is the sheer volume of Garnacho goals which means it is taking you so long to do the same analysis.

The only place where Garnacho exceeds Neto is when you spell their names on a scrabble board.

"The only place where Garnacho exceeds Neto is when you spell their names on a scrabble board"

Absolute Genius Loz. 👏

12 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

I've been waiting a while to go full Jim, but...

Pedro Neto:

Second goal in a 5-1 win against West Ham

Second goal in a 3-0 win against Ange's Forest

Third goal in a 3-0 win against Wolves

First goal in a 2-0 win against Burnley

Goal against Leeds in a game we lost

So all in his goals have put points on the board a grand total of zero times. Maybe an argument to be made for Burnley.

4 hours ago, loz said:

The only place where Garnacho exceeds Neto is when you spell their names on a scrabble board.

@Mod new contender for post of the year!

20 hours ago, loz said:

I'm assuming it is the sheer volume of Garnacho goals which means it is taking you so long to do the same analysis.

The only place where Garnacho exceeds Neto is when you spell their names on a scrabble board.

Garnacho isn’t getting POTS of the season shouts, in fact he’s got people on here saying he’s our worst signing. I just find the parallel between them interesting when they’re both having the exact same season.

3 hours ago, GarnachoCheese said:

Garnacho isn’t getting POTS of the season shouts, in fact he’s got people on here saying he’s our worst signing. I just find the parallel between them interesting when they’re both having the exact same season.

Garnacho has not been poor, nor has he been great. Neto has been having a much better season than him. Garnacho was great against Wolves, well second half. His first half was poor. He was good against Qarabag when he came on and scored against Sunderland but would not say was great. Cardiff obviously, yes he had a good game coming on. Neto was one of our best players against Forest, West Ham, Benfica. Had a good game against Burnley too. There is a reason why, out of the wingers, Neto is the one that usually stays on the longest. Neto has been heads and shoulders above Garnacho. The stats don't lie.