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How long do you think all the managers of the Abramovich era should have been given? We all know they were either sacked or (in Hiddink and Rafa's case) departed but in hindsight, how long should they have lasted?

In my opinion:

Ranieri - got us to CL semi-final in 2003-04 and was mostly consistent in getting us top four before RA came in. If, as we have been led to believe, he knew he was a dead man walking, maybe we would have won the European Cup that year. Time probably was right.

Mourinho - I think if every Chelsea fan had their way, he would have never left. I think we would've won the CL in 2007-08 with him at the helm but who knows? Had he not left then and he and RA had learned to get along harmoniously, maybe he would have lasted until now.

Grant - did what Vialli, Ranieri and Mourinho couldn't do and took us to the CL final. Not even Mourinho could have prevented JT from slipping so there was never any blame put on Grant from me. Possibly could have been given another season.

Scolari - never nice to have a manager sacked during the year but not sure we would've won the FA Cup had it not happened. I will give Scolari this though...the 2-1 win against Stoke where Lamps won it at the death showed he did have the players on his side. Maybe, just maybe, could've stayed until the end of the season...but in hindsight, it was the right choice.

Hiddink - job was his if he wanted it I reckon and who knows how the next season would have gone had he left Russia to join us full-time. Had he wanted it a three-year contract would've surely been coming his way.

Ancelotti - I always get a bit sad when I think of Carlo. From the double one season to an admiral second-place the following, which was pretty good considering how far behind United we were at one stage. At the time for me, he should've got another season...but that is why Roman is the boss.

Villas-Boas - well, he predicted that we would win the CL after the Napoli first leg. A prediction like that maybe suggests he could've turned the tie around...but I could not see him taking us past Barcelona let alone winning the thing himself. At the time, should we have given him until the end of the season? Maybe. In hindsight? No.

Di Matteo - another sad end for a special Chelsea man. Winning the CL and FA Cup would sometimes give a manager a contract for life. For Robbie, he barely got six more months. Very harsh but afterwards, I just learned to accept that it's Roman's club and maybe he knows a bit more about football than we give him credit for. Still, I would've, at the very least, given him until the end of the season.

Benítez - as one of the few fans who actually liked Benítez, there still isn't anyway I'd have him over Mourinho coming back. However, he was my second choice if TSO wasn't available, even though we pretty much knew the deal would be done. Won the EL (isn't it funny how the only managers who've got us to European finals under RA have been caretakers) and got us third place, which is deserving of a contract...unless of course, someone special comes back ;)

Anyway, what does everyone else think?

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Carlo should definitely have been given another season, the board left him light when they sold off half his midfield from the previous title winning season. 

 

Arrived at Chelsea before he was ready and he was expected to play a style of football not suited to the players at his disposal. 

 

RDM should have been allowed to finish the season through especially as Benetiz was his replacement which was just embarrassing for everyone involved. 

 

Grant, Hiddink and Benetiz were all temporary. 

 

Scolari probably deserved to go. 

 

Ranieri, I liked him but the club bought in Mourinho so you can't really complain. 

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We've had a couple stinkers for sure.  However, I do feel that Jose leaving the first time was the right thing for him and for us (not just because we get to see him return).

 

At the time, Jose was never in anything for the long run.  He wanted to go to Italy and Spain, and now he's back as a more rounded, and somewhat more mature manager.

 

Ancelotti and RDM are the only two that I feel should have got more time, but to be honest, RDM was a bit of an anomaly, and was a "dead man walking" as he wasn't the big name that the boardroom wanted.

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Ranieri - in hindsight did a decent enough job. But I never warmed to him as he replaced Vialli who I loved. I also think Ranieri was never gonna take us to that next level so when he left I was upset at all.

Mourinho - was gutted when he left but him going at the time looking back was the best move for him and look what he's achieved since. Him and Roman had fallen out so we couldn't really expect them to work together.

Grant - hated him at the time, was glad to see the back of him. However, I don't think he's a bad guy at all but I still believe the players carried him.

Scolari - really nice guy but ultimately a mistake no one saw coming. Again that's with hindsight.

Hiddink - had he stayed I truly believe he'd still be here now. A truly great manager who I wanted to stay.

Ancelotti - again really great guy. Top manager who was unfairly sacked, he's the one I don't get leaving at all. He should have been allowed to build something here, of all our trophy wins in the Abramovich era we were never as exciting as that first season. Second season I still don't think was his fault, Wilkins was sacked for reasons we still don't know, Drogba contracted maleria and we had a defensive crisis for months. Then he had Torres forced upon him when we were hitting form. Should have stayed.

AVB - no other way to describe him that utter w**ker. Never liked him. Piss poor manager imo

Di Matteo - club legend did great in that short period but I knew he wasn't the right guy long term, still he was treated appallingly

Benitez - did alright could have done better. Will always be greatful for the Europa League triumph but he couldn't and glad didn't stay.

Now the Special One is back in what I believe is the right time for him. He will definitely stay for a long period this time I believe so its funny how things work out.

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Ranieri - Probably harshly done by but when you look at who succeeded him you can't really argue with the results.

Mourinho - Results speak for themselves in the first two seasons. Think he'd lost a bit of influence in the dressing room by the time he got the chop but was definitely punted too early. Who knows, maybe he really did feel it was time to go as well?

Grant - Got (and still gets) a bad rap because he had an impossible act to follow. We could have had any manger in the world at that point in time and they still wouldn't have been good enough. The anti-Mourinho in terms of style and presence but in terms of results he did pretty well. After the CL run (and in hindsight knowing that we replaced him with Scolari) he should probably been given another season.

Scolari - Good for a month or two then absolutely awful afterwards. Biggest problem was that tactically he wasn't anywhere near up to scratch with the Premier League. Plan A was attack and plan B didn't exist. Deserved sacking IMO.

Hiddink - Salvaged what could have been a very embarrassing season for us and may even have won us the Champions League had Ovrebo not robbed us against Barca. Given the momentum at the time I think we would have beat United in a final. Liked him as a manager and a person, and would have got the job indefinitely had he not signed up for Russia.

Ancelotti - Another great manager sacked farrrr too early. That 09/10 season was magical to watch. We just annihilated everybody and were scoring for fun. Think Torres was thrown to him and it caused more problems than it solved. Top guy and would have him back in a heartbeat.

AVB - sh*te. Didn't just lose the dressing room but set about embarrassing them publicly as well. Tactically playing a high defensive line with JT/Luiz/Cahill/Iva was football suicide and he obviously hasn't learned his lesson after trying to do the same with Spurs. Maybe given more time and the right players it would have worked but as Chelsea manager results are expected instantly and RA clearly didn't want to see us finish outside of the CL spots until he got us playing like Barcelona. Did give Sturridge a chance which was good but how he treated the legends was inexcusable. Pretender to the Special throne.

Di Matteo - Think everyone agrees he should have been given until the end of the season but think it was also clear he wasn't ready for a job of that magnitude yet. Would be happy to see him back in some capacity in future.

Benitez - Did better than I thought and have to give him credit for how he handled the abuse he was getting every week. Not the right man for us and was glad to see him move on.

Mourinho II - Given that he'll likely be here for the next 3 years I have to say I'm very excited with our potential. Make the right buys in the summer I can see us winning the league/Champions League next season. RA doesn't change his mind often so to see TSO back says everything really - best manager in the world.

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Ranieri - Should have been given another year. But obviously Jose came in and the rest is history.

Mourinho - Should still be our manager from the first time.

Grant - Did well to get to the CL final despite looking like the Baron from Dangermouse. Right time to go though.

Scolari - Shouldn't have been appointed. Poor manager. Let go correctly.

Hiddink - N/A - he didn't want to stay

Ancelotti - He should have had at least another 1-2 years. We won the double in his first season and scored sh*t loads of goals. Good manager. Though his subs were perplexing at times.

Villas-Boas - Correct decision. Was doing very badly on the pitch. Lost a lot of the players. Some awful decisions regarding youth players, Chelsea TV pundits, etc... wrong man, wrong job.

Di Matteo - Should have been given at LEAST the full season after WINNING THE f**kING CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. Roman you bar steward.

Benítez - f**k off.

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Ranieri - On the one hand I felt it was very harsh, on the other hand the way we lost that semi-final was woeful, I doubt we'll ever again see such a favourable semi/final draw as Monaco and then Porto. I would have been fine with him staying but had he not delivered the next season he should have been out.

 

Jose - At the time it felt like the end of the world, however I think in hindsight it may have been best for he and the club to part ways when they did, and now with his return I don't really regret his leaving in the past.

 

Grant - Completely mystified that he got the job to begin with.

 

Scolari - Never even managed in Europe before, bizarre appointment and expected results, should never have been appointed.

 

Hiddink - Job was his if he wanted it, no doubt we would have won the CL under him if not for Overbo.

 

Carlo - At least another season. Torres should have been out before him.

 

AVB - I liked what he was trying to do but his arrogance cost him and his time at Spurs only confirmed that we pulled the plug on his project at the right time.

 

RDM - Should of been given until the end of the season, had Jose been his replacement I think most people would have been ok with him leaving then.

 

FSW - I don't see the point in his appointment. We would have finished top 4 with Robbie easily so why bring in an interim when we were already out of the Champions League.

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Ranieri - he wanted another season and I would say he actually deserved one, but obviously a good decision in hindsight.

JM - built the chelsea that has lasted until his return, took us to a whole different level, his rise happened at the same time as ours and will always be our moet famous manager in my eyes. I was absolutely gutted when he left, felt we were unlucky not to win the title the season before, had Cech and Roben out for large parts, but he needed to manage elsewhere before (hopefully) settling. Should never have left in the first time.

Grant - somehow got us closest we ever were to the champions league until Munich, but definitely wasn't the right manager. Left at the right time.

Scolari - I never expected much from him, seemed strange to appoint him and had to go really. Again left at the right time

Hiddink - would loved to of seen him have a proper go at the Chelsea job, would imagine similar success to Carlo really likeable but obviously had no choice in keeping him, if we could of kelt him i think he's still be Chelsea manager.

Carlo - great manager, had a fair bit of expectation on him after hiddink and his reputation but lived up to it, got us playing the best football I've ever seen, had a big task of playing Drogba and Anelka together and even then everyone saying our squad was too old, great manager but ultimately the transfer windows led to his sacking, all of our midfield seemed to exit and weren't replace then Torres in January made it even tougher, should of been given at least another season and again could of been here to this day

AVB - I was expecting quite a lot from him, can see why we appointed him, he had a good c-v and looked to be just the manager we needed, I liked him to start with then the results didn't come and the stories kept coming out and I grew to dislike him, it's clear he wasn't working and he needed to go

RDM - perfect for the season, done amazingly well and will always be a Chelsea legend. His days were numbered as its clear RM didn't want him to be permanent, I might be alone in thinking it but I actually wasn't surprised or disappointed with his sacking at the time (I thought we would get someone decent in) he did great in the cups and got the most out of the players but I never thought he was the right man to build a new Chelsea era and his results were starting to go downhill, better to leave early and stay a legend then stay on to the point where fans wanted him out, probably could of been given to at least the end of the season

FSW - less said the better, absolutely shocking appointment in the first place, seemed at the time the club didn't care about the fans, he was in the job far too long

JM 2.0 - something will go wrong if he's not here for at least 4-5 years, hopefully 10+ then go into international management

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Ranieri - good decision in highsight.

JM - nope.

Grant - not the right manager to bring us forward. 

Scolari - as above.

Hiddink - Not sure about this. Did very well in his short stint but not sure how good a manager he really is.

Carlo - great manager; shouldn't have been sacked.

AVB - right decision.

RDM - not in that manner but he shouldn't be the manager of Chelsea going forward.

Benitez - he was interim.

JM - let's see. 

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other than scolari and he-who-must-not-be-named, i would have liked to see the others given more time. in hindsight though, the ranieri and avb sackings gave birth to incredible success so hard to criticise looking back. was devastated at both at the time though 

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All were sacked at the right time.

 

The two most people seemed up in arms about were Ancelotti and RDM, but both had just been schooled in Europe by more proficient tacticians so why should we have settled for less than the best?

Maybe because all of 5 months earlier RDM had just "schooled" 2 of the top 4 managers in world football?

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Do we though? I'd like to wait and see. Mourinho has never shown to be interested in long-term management and often just is there short-term. I'm very interested to see how he does here including him developing youth players from the academy, building a sustainable model here etc. Hopefully he does. 

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A backs-to-the-wall-and-luck-it job it is not the same as outplaying a team through tactical brilliance. The likes of Fat Sam can do the former.

If it were so easy it makes me wonder how Barca and Bayern ever win games.

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Is 2-2 away to the best team in football with your first choice centre backs out and down to 10 men classed as tactical brilliance? Maybe we should give the trophy back to keep you and the "football purists" happy.

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Ranieri - Right choice, he was never the man to take us to the next level.

Mourinho - Although we never really found the right manager since he left, it was right at the time. The board werent giving him what he felt he needed to keep moving forward and he was becoming a bit of a moaner because of it. It think the time away has done him and our board good.

Grant - After Jose he had a very tough task. I thought it was stupid to give him the big contract that he got and I was annoyed that he took over instead of us going out and getting a new world class manager. Having said that he didnt do too badly. We were in the title race right up to the end and we got to the CL final. He just was never the right man for the job.

Scolari - Wrong choice totally. I personally feel like AVB he came in and tried to change too much. The players didnt like it and results went down him. It was the right choice to sack him.

Hiddink - I had admired Hiddink for many years. I was thrilled when he took the job and I wish he had stayed with us but it wasnt meant to be. Hiddink and Chelsea just worked. Shame it had to end so quickly.

Ancelotti - I know this is an unpopular opinion but I have never rated Carlo as a manager. I wasnt thrilled when he was appointed but had to eat my words at the end of the season. However, the season we won the league we should have won it much sooner but we dropped points when we really should have won. Jose did us a favour that season but knocking us out of the CL, after that we only had the FA cup and the League to worry about and went on to win both. On one had I think it was unfair on Carlo to be sacked because the board moved on a lot of good players and didnt really replace them BUT we were sh*t in Europe. Jose beat us with ease and United completely destroyed us. I wasnt sad to see Carlo go but i was disappointed in the way he was dismissed. It lacked class.

AVB - I really wanted AVB to do well and i thought he would have done well. I blame the board for this one. They brought him in with the plan of moving the older players on and change the style of play and when the older players got the hump and didnt play well AVB got the chop. I guess its easier for the board to sack one man then move on 3 or 4 players.

Di Matteo - He should never have been sacked. Imo Roman never wanted him as manager but what choice did he have after Robbie won the one thing that no other manager in our history has won for us. Robbie wasnt backed in the transfer market. We lost Kalou, Anelka and Drogba. We were left with Studge who wasnt fit for a long time and Torres. From what i heard in the past Robbie asked for Falcao and Roman said no because he wanted Torres to be the main man.

Benitez - Never the right choice, not only did he replace a man who shouldnt have been sacked but also he was also hated for comment he had made about us in the past. I really dont know what the board were thinking with this one. Losing to the likes of West Ham and QPR just showed he didnt care about our club. We only really did well when the season was coming to a close so he could make his CV look a bit nicer. The guy was out of a job for around 2 years, says it all really.

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Ranieri - Right choice, he was never the man to take us to the next level.

Mourinho - Although we never really found the right manager since he left, it was right at the time. The board werent giving him what he felt he needed to keep moving forward and he was becoming a bit of a moaner because of it. It think the time away has done him and our board good.

Grant - After Jose he had a very tough task. I thought it was stupid to give him the big contract that he got and I was annoyed that he took over instead of us going out and getting a new world class manager. Having said that he didnt do too badly. We were in the title race right up to the end and we got to the CL final. He just was never the right man for the job.

Scolari - Wrong choice totally. I personally feel like AVB he came in and tried to change too much. The players didnt like it and results went down him. It was the right choice to sack him.

Hiddink - I had admired Hiddink for many years. I was thrilled when he took the job and I wish he had stayed with us but it wasnt meant to be. Hiddink and Chelsea just worked. Shame it had to end so quickly.

Ancelotti - I know this is an unpopular opinion but I have never rated Carlo as a manager. I wasnt thrilled when he was appointed but had to eat my words at the end of the season. However, the season we won the league we should have won it much sooner but we dropped points when we really should have won. Jose did us a favour that season but knocking us out of the CL, after that we only had the FA cup and the League to worry about and went on to win both. On one had I think it was unfair on Carlo to be sacked because the board moved on a lot of good players and didnt really replace them BUT we were sh*t in Europe. Jose beat us with ease and United completely destroyed us. I wasnt sad to see Carlo go but i was disappointed in the way he was dismissed. It lacked class.

AVB - I really wanted AVB to do well and i thought he would have done well. I blame the board for this one. They brought him in with the plan of moving the older players on and change the style of play and when the older players got the hump and didnt play well AVB got the chop. I guess its easier for the board to sack one man then move on 3 or 4 players.

Di Matteo - He should never have been sacked. Imo Roman never wanted him as manager but what choice did he have after Robbie won the one thing that no other manager in our history has won for us. Robbie wasnt backed in the transfer market. We lost Kalou, Anelka and Drogba. We were left with Studge who wasnt fit for a long time and Torres. From what i heard in the past Robbie asked for Falcao and Roman said no because he wanted Torres to be the main man.

Benitez - Never the right choice, not only did he replace a man who shouldnt have been sacked but also he was also hated for comment he had made about us in the past. I really dont know what the board were thinking with this one. Losing to the likes of West Ham and QPR just showed he didnt care about our club. We only really did well when the season was coming to a close so he could make his CV look a bit nicer. The guy was out of a job for around 2 years, says it all really.

 

I agreed with all of that until that bit.

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