I didn't see the England match yesterday. I heard he did not have the best match, as he is a human being and not a machine this doesn't surprise me too terribly much. It might have been the worst game any footballer has ever played. Shoot, maybe he forgot what team he was playing for and what sport he was playing and tried to pick the ball up and try to hit it with a tennis racket.

 What does surprise me, however, is some of the comments about him on here eluding to him maybe being an idiot or slow in the head. I know this a message board and rational thoughts and criticisms are not common but have any of you had one of those days were you just don't have it, whatever the reason may be. There is nothing wrong with being critical of a player when they have a rough game and don't play well, but there isn't any need for it to be about how you believe he might be slow in the head.

If you don't rate him, great. That's your opinion and you are welcome to share it. I just don't appreciate folks going after someone in that manner. 

 

15 hours ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

No man, England just hasn't had good player for awhile and they exagerate their assessments when someone mediocre like RLC shows up for the first time.

Forget about the youth teams, tell me one quality you do see in him that would quialify him as talent. Speed, strength, stamina, dribble, shooting, finishing, covering spaces, assists, crosses, set pieces.. just one, please. 

More than 99% never make it to the first teams. this is pure argument. Hope you will find something better. 

Yeah its not like England haven't just come off the back of three of the best CM's in recent history with Gerrard, Lamps and Scholes. If anything England's expectations should be higher, yet still they're impressed with RLC. Strength, short bursts of pace, dribbling, ball retention are all clearly strengths of his. 

14 hours ago, Argo said:

What early performances for Chelsea?

Liverpool, Maccabi, Sc**thorpe, Villa, City pre-season when he dominated prime Yaya.

I have said before that I truly want Ruben to make it here, but if he palyed for anyone else we wouldn't even be talking about him, he wouldn't be a transfer target, and most of us wouldn't even be aware of him.

That speaks volumes for me.

The sum of his parts falls short of where he is at the moment. He’s got great qualities which hopefully one day he’ll make the best of, but football like life is full of people who never quite fulfilled their potential.

Edited September 13, 20187 yr by Ewell CFC

22 hours ago, Giordano_Bruno said:

No man, England just hasn't had good player for awhile and they exagerate their assessments when someone mediocre like RLC shows up for the first time.

Forget about the youth teams, tell me one quality you do see in him that would quialify him as talent. Speed, strength, stamina, dribble, shooting, finishing, covering spaces, assists, crosses, set pieces.. just one, please. 

More than 99% never make it to the first teams. this is pure argument. Hope you will find something better. 

Well he has strength and dribbling ability and he isn't exactly slow but he i certainly lacking a bit of polish atm. 

Currently for me he is a good squad player similar to Chalobah or Mikel in that they are useful to have as back up and rotation but aren't good enough to be a starter at a top side.

That said I do think he has enough potential to be able to make it at a top six side and I definitely don't see him being any worse than say Lingard, but I do think he will need to start playing regularly if he is going to achieve that.

I think we will have a much better picture come January as there are at least 7 games for him to show us what he can do in a Sarri side.   

Edited September 13, 20187 yr by PedroMendez

21 minutes ago, PedroMendez said:

Well he has strength and dribbling ability and he isn't exactly slow but he i certainly lacking a bit of polish atm. 

Currently for me he is a good squad player similar to Chalobah or Mikel in that they are useful to have as back up and rotation but aren't good enough to be a starter at a top side.

That said I do think he has enough potential to be able to make it at a top six side and I definitely don't see him being any worse than say Lingard, but I do think he will need to start playing regularly if he is going to achieve that.

I think we will have a much better picture come January as there are at least 7 games for him to show us what he can do in a Sarri side.   

Not a massive fan of Lingard but he does have pace and scores a few goals. 

Unfortunately, RLC is in a catch 22 situation, as he needs games, but he has players Sarri clearly rates better ahead of him, so he is unlikely to get games. When he does, he HAS to grasp the chance and really shine, but as we saw for England the other night, he didn't do a great deal to give you any encouragement. 

Can honestly see him going out on loan in January and perhaps moving on at the end of the season.  

Didn't see the England game but he was pretty good for Palace last season and looked like he was worth his place in the England WC squad, so I'm not going to be writing off his chances just yet. 

It seems to me that he has the talent and physical attributes to make it here but has possibly lacked consistent coaching so far. Hopefully he stays with us this season and can benefit from training under Sarri.

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Yeah its not like England haven't just come off the back of three of the best CM's in recent history with Gerrard, Lamps and Scholes. If anything England's expectations should be higher, yet still they're impressed with RLC. Strength, short bursts of pace, dribbling, ball retention are all clearly strengths of his. 

Liverpool, Maccabi, Sc**thorpe, Villa, City pre-season when he dominated prime Yaya.

The Liverpool game after we won the title? We were overrun for most of that game, i don't think many were that arsed under the circumstances, but still!!! He was decent against Maccabi and Scunny, but he should be really.

Can't comment on City as without meaning to sound like Wenger, i didn't see it.

5 hours ago, Argo said:

The Liverpool game after we won the title? We were overrun for most of that game, i don't think many were that arsed under the circumstances, but still!!! He was decent against Maccabi and Scunny, but he should be really.

Can't comment on City as without meaning to sound like Wenger, i didn't see it.

Yup, 100% pass accuracy and tackle success in his full debut against a team like Liverpool. You asked which good early performances, i gave you examples. Don't try and change it now by saying 'oh they're sh*t teams and we'd already won the league then'. Point is he played well in all these matches and has showed talent. People act like he's lucky to be here and he's sh*t every time he plays.

3 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Yup, 100% pass accuracy and tackle success in his full debut against a team like Liverpool. You asked which good early performances, i gave you examples. Don't try and change it now by saying 'oh they're sh*t teams and we'd already won the league then'. Point is he played well in all these matches and has showed talent. People act like he's lucky to be here and he's sh*t every time he plays.

I need more examples than acceptable games vs League one sides, the 2nd worst team in PL history and an end of season dead rubber we were 2nd best in until i declare him the new god. His best to date in a Chelsea shirt was his cameo at Stoke under Conte, few more of them then then i might open up for reassesment.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

I need more examples than acceptable games vs League one sides, the 2nd worst team in PL history and an end of season dead rubber we were 2nd best in until i declare him the new god. His best to date in a Chelsea shirt was his cameo at Stoke under Conte, few more of them then then i might open up for reassesment.

No one is asking him to be declared the new god. Merely for people not to make out he's been average or sh*t every time he's played and he's lucky to be at a prem team, never mind a top 4 team.

10 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

No one is asking him to be declared the new god. Merely for people not to make out he's been average or sh*t every time he's played and he's lucky to be at a prem team, never mind a top 4 team.

Hmmm, you say that, and yet I came across this................

 

16 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Hmmm, you say that, and yet I came across this................

 

I see nothing wrong with points 1-5. Point 6 however, God isn't a high enough level for him. God himself looks up to RLC.

13 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I see nothing wrong with points 1-5. Point 6 however, God isn't a high enough level for him. God himself looks up to RLC.

To be fair I had a very similar list for Josh McEachran which will have to be updated for a certain Mason mount!

2 hours ago, Nibs said:

To be fair I had a very similar list for Josh McEachran which will have to be updated for a certain Mason mount!

I was a huge Josh McEachran fan back in 2010, it still baffles me today how he never reached his potential. 

He was 17 when he had this performance, how can you not overrate a player when he does this? 

@Slojo Looks like the timing wasn't right, the positive thing is he stayed in the game at a decent level even if not the EPL.

I wonder if Ampadu will make it here or go the same way as Josh?

1 hour ago, Strider6003 said:

@Slojo Looks like the timing wasn't right, the positive thing is he stayed in the game at a decent level even if not the EPL.

I wonder if Ampadu will make it here or go the same way as Josh?

If I was to put money on any our our ypung players making it at the highest level, it would have to be ampadu, because of his mentality. 

We've had loads of players with great ability, quite a few with more ability than ampadu, but they didn't have the drive or professionalism, to realise their potential. 

Ampadu seems to have it all, even if he doesnt get the chance here, he will reach the top in my opinion. 

I'm hoping the club don't go for another centre back, because I think with Luiz, Rudiger, Christiensen and Ampadu, we have good mix of abilities, youth and experience. 

2 hours ago, Strider6003 said:

@Slojo Looks like the timing wasn't right, the positive thing is he stayed in the game at a decent level even if not the EPL.

I wonder if Ampadu will make it here or go the same way as Josh?

McEachran started to decline as soon as we gave him a new contract, when he started earning a Premier League players wages at the age of 18/19 we started to see worse performances from him, he stagnated. Then he started dating that lass off Coronation Street and driving flashy cars, I could be completely way off here because I'm on the outside looking in but I noticed a difference when he signed that contract. 

Its becoming increasingly clear he's going to get very little playing time this season, which is very bad for him at this stage of his career! If he's not doing enough to be putting himself ahead of the slower than slow Fabregas, then something significant  must be missing from him! Sadly, I think its time to let go and move him on. 

7 hours ago, Dixon said:

Its becoming increasingly clear he's going to get very little playing time this season, which is very bad for him at this stage of his career! If he's not doing enough to be putting himself ahead of the slower than slow Fabregas, then something significant  must be missing from him! Sadly, I think its time to let go and move him on. 

What's fabregas's pace got to do with anything?

8 hours ago, Dixon said:

Its becoming increasingly clear he's going to get very little playing time this season, which is very bad for him at this stage of his career! If he's not doing enough to be putting himself ahead of the slower than slow Fabregas, then something significant  must be missing from him! Sadly, I think its time to let go and move him on. 

Well done for completely failing to understand the different positions. Why would RLC come on for Jorginho? Sarri clearly wanted to rest Jorginho before the weekend and Cesc is the only other person that can fill that role.

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Well done for completely failing to understand the different positions. Why would RLC come on for Jorginho? Sarri clearly wanted to rest Jorginho before the weekend and Cesc is the only other person that can fill that role.

He has played in a deeper role earlier in his career. He could easily have done that job the other night against such moderate level opposition! Sadly, he looks no nearer to really breaking thru than he did 3 or 4 yeara ago. He's wasting his time staying at Chelsea. 

5 minutes ago, Dixon said:

He has played in a deeper role earlier in his career. He could easily have done that job the other night against such moderate level opposition! Sadly, he looks no nearer to really breaking thru than he did 3 or 4 yeara ago. He's wasting his time staying at Chelsea. 

He's played a deeper role in a different system, in Sarri's system that HAS to be an elite passer. RLC is more of a dribbler, hence the need for him at LCM when needed.

On 15/09/2018 at 12:38, Slojo said:

McEachran started to decline as soon as we gave him a new contract, when he started earning a Premier League players wages at the age of 18/19 we started to see worse performances from him, he stagnated. Then he started dating that lass off Coronation Street and driving flashy cars, I could be completely way off here because I'm on the outside looking in but I noticed a difference when he signed that contract. 

Yes, there are rumours about when the money came in is attitude stank (Kakuta's as well) and so he went downhill.  Didn't Carlo say he wanted to build the team around those two? Such a shame when obvious talent is wasted!

At this moment in time a loan move in January feels almost inevitable.

Can’t see him breaking into the first team personally especially with our chances of signing Kovacic on a permanent deal looking pretty good.