Someone finally agrees with me!!

I think you'll find a lot of people agree with you on that lol

But not those with eyes, what a pathetic post that is....

I think you'll find a lot of people agree with you on that lol

 

I've been saying Ramires on the wing for months and everyone always shoots me down because of it 

I would suggest to anyone who describes Willian as "Ramires on the wing" that they should watch the two players kick a ball side-by-side.

But not those with eyes, what a pathetic post that is....

Calm down precious. It's just an opinion. They're both Brazilian workhorses/Energizer bunnies who rely on stamina but are both limited in similar areas of their game. They can both pull out moments of brilliance but you usually know what type of performance to expect from them (roughly about a 6/10).

 

They're both role players/foot soldiers and I wouldn't say either of them have X factor or elite quality. In Willian's first three years at Chelsea he scored 11 goals, in Ramires' first three years at Chelsea he scored 12 goals so they have a very similar output.

Willians final ball is dreadful, he gets to the final third and he creates very little. You can see it alone in how awful his corners are. He gets away with it because he runs a lot, fans always love a runner. That's the similarities with Ramires who use to play on the right wing alot because he was prepared to run.

Willian doesn't score nor does he provide assists. Far from being a winger. 

 

He's a glorified workhorse. Ramires on the wing 

 

It drives me crazy hearing this crap from Chelsea fans, as well as from oppos. He's an incredibly talented AM with sublime ball control, outstanding short passing and an absolutely world class free kick. But no, because he runs a lot he's a 'workhorse'. Unbelievable. Maybe you should go back and watch the Shakhtar game against us in the CL where he scored against us twice, and basically drove their entire team the whole match. 

It drives me crazy hearing this crap from Chelsea fans, as well as from oppos. He's an incredibly talented AM with sublime ball control, outstanding short passing and an absolutely world class free kick. But no, because he runs a lot he's a 'workhorse'. Unbelievable. Maybe you should go back and watch the Shakhtar game against us in the CL where he scored against us twice, and basically drove their entire team the whole match.

Maybe if he played like that in a Chelsea shirt some would feel differently. Hes not similar to Ramires at all, but their offensive output is fairly similar. Willian is excellent untill he approaches the final third were he almost always chose the wrong passing option, slows down attacks with his "stop and go" routine or just blasts a cross thats not within a mile of a Chelsea player. I like him as a squad player as he does his bit and never stops running, but as an attacking midfielder he leaves a lot to be desired and not someone you would put om thw pitch when you are desperate for a goal

It drives me crazy hearing this crap from Chelsea fans, as well as from oppos. He's an incredibly talented AM with sublime average ball control, outstanding short passing as any professional footballer should have and an absolutely world class free kick for 1/3 of a season. Not to mention his inability to deliver a cross or corner or hit the target from open play. But no, because he runs a lot he's a 'workhorse'. Unbelievable. Maybe you should go back and watch the Shakhtar game against us in the CL where he scored against us twice, and basically drove their entire team the whole match. 

 

Fixed it for you. Salah also bossed us in a European match, maybe we should bring him back into the fold. 

It drives me crazy hearing this crap from Chelsea fans, as well as from oppos. He's an incredibly talented AM with sublime ball control, outstanding short passing and an absolutely world class free kick. But no, because he runs a lot he's a 'workhorse'. Unbelievable. Maybe you should go back and watch the Shakhtar game against us in the CL where he scored against us twice, and basically drove their entire team the whole match. 

His short passing isn't outstanding, he misplaces very basic passes, ones that Oscar would get crucified for, which results in him expending more effort trying to win the ball back. His free kicks or set piece ability in generally isn't world class at all, he was awful at them for the most of the season bar a purple patch of 2 months or so.

 

Good ball control though, just wished he did more with it.

His short passing isn't outstanding, he misplaces very basic passes, ones that Oscar would get crucified for, which results in him expending more effort trying to win the ball back. His free kicks or set piece ability in generally isn't world class at all, he was awful at them for the most of the season bar a purple patch of 2 months or so.

 

Good ball control though, just wished he did more with it.

Willian over Cuadrado any day. Cuadrado is lightweight in the premier league. He just falls over too much and his distribution is poor to say the least. He looked a bit better against Real but for me he needs to show much more before he gets in the squad. Why are you knocking our player of the season? Its like criticizing Kate Upton because her hair could do with a brush. 

Willian is an incredibly talented AM, that's a joke. You play him in CAM it is pointless because he lacks creativity and doesn't have the passing skills. Even on right wing he don't do much going forward, his quick so should use it to his advantage and get past fullbacks and put in crosses, it might be basic but it will create more chances.

It drives me crazy hearing this crap from Chelsea fans, as well as from oppos. He's an incredibly talented AM with sublime ball control, outstanding short passing and an absolutely world class free kick. But no, because he runs a lot he's a 'workhorse'. Unbelievable. Maybe you should go back and watch the Shakhtar game against us in the CL where he scored against us twice, and basically drove their entire team the whole match. 

 

How long ago is that game? I remember watching that match and how he looked the best player on the pitch but he's never really come close to that level with us. That's always been the trouble at Chelsea - buying opposition players on the strength of performances against us only for them to never be repeated.

 

I like Willian and think he does a job but find I'm always watching him in games waiting for him to kick on to the next level. Be a proper match-winner like Hazard and up to now it just doesn't look like happening.

Calm down precious. It's just an opinion. They're both Brazilian workhorses/Energizer bunnies who rely on stamina but are both limited in similar areas of their game. They can both pull out moments of brilliance but you usually know what type of performance to expect from them (roughly about a 6/10).

 

They're both role players/foot soldiers and I wouldn't say either of them have X factor or elite quality. In Willian's first three years at Chelsea he scored 11 goals, in Ramires' first three years at Chelsea he scored 12 goals so they have a very similar output.

Cheers for the Patronising reply flower, point taken X

How long ago is that game? I remember watching that match and how he looked the best player on the pitch but he's never really come close to that level with us. That's always been the trouble at Chelsea - buying opposition players on the strength of performances against us only for them to never be repeated.

 

I like Willian and think he does a job but find I'm always watching him in games waiting for him to kick on to the next level. Be a proper match-winner like Hazard and up to now it just doesn't look like happening.

 

He's had many outstanding games for us, but he gets overshadowed by Hazard (understandably). Willian makes things happen on the pitch, I've lost count of the number of times he's started an attacking move with some really great work but it seems like all people remember are Costa are Hazard finishing it. Don't get me wrong, I think Willian's finishing should be much better than it is, but not every AM needs to be banging them in every game if they have the talent to facilitate others doing it. It's like when people say he's not creative, I just shake my head in disbelief. Him, Hazard and Oscar building those little quick plays are the epitome of creative play.

I know most clubs make sh*t signings sometimes, but it seems like we do it a lot more than our closest rivals. So many players bought for big money, only to then be loaned out or sold within a season or 2.

I know most clubs make sh*t signings sometimes, but it seems like we do it a lot more than our closest rivals. So many players bought for big money, only to then be loaned out or sold within a season or 2.

 

I think our transfer policy is premeditated to an extent... take Baba for instance, we sign him as a player with potential, if he's a hit great if he isn't by loaning him to Schalke it may give us some bargaining power if we want to sign a player from the Bundesliga. Similar situation currently with Van Ginkel/Christensen.

 

If it helps us punch above our weight no qualms from me.

I know most clubs make sh*t signings sometimes, but it seems like we do it a lot more than our closest rivals. So many players bought for big money, only to then be loaned out or sold within a season or 2.

We have far more of a 'speculate to accumulate' approach to transfers, which i think is better suited to a club like everton, liverpool, southampton etc. Sides on the outside of the top 4 hoping to find that gem (suarez, mirallas, lallana) who could help boost them to the next level, and if not they can sell on and cut their losses.

A club of our stature and trophy-cabinet doesnt really suit that approach though. I think we should be looking to buy players who are the real deal and are proven quality. Very few big clubs take the risks we do by bulk buying young players in the hope a few will turn out to be superstars. We dont even develop them ourselves, we loan them out to clubs with, presumably, inferior coaches and training facilities... it just doesnt make sense, except as a business deal. 

 

I'd love us to say f**k it and throw 90 mil at pogba and 60 mil at lewandowski and see if we cant blast our way back to the top of the league. But it wont happen. Which i think is a weakness. Maybe we got too affected by the media criticism of us 'buying the league'. maybe Roman wants to save a bit of cash. Whatever the reason, i think its hurting us. not to mention our acquisition of players is very haphazard. No particular 'type' of player being recruited, just anyone who looks like a prospect

I know most clubs make sh*t signings sometimes, but it seems like we do it a lot more than our closest rivals. So many players bought for big money, only to then be loaned out or sold within a season or 2.

 

Here is a list of players that have left in the last 3 years, a lot of them actually  joined in the last 3 years and left in that time too.

 

Didier Drogba ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Ashley Cole ( Coming towards the end of his career, still not replaced )

David Luiz ( The right choice to sell him )

Frank Lampard ( Should have kept him on for 1 more season at least )

Fernando Torres ( Had to go, been finished for years )

André Schürrle ( 1 and a half season's at the club and then he was sold )

Mohamed Salah ( 1 season and then he left the club)

Marco van Ginkel ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Demba Ba ( Saved football and then moved on )

Samuel Eto'o ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Mark Schwarzer (  1 season and then he left the club)

Petr ?ech ( Sold to Arseholes )

Filipe Luís ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Ramires ( Rightly sold, he's not good enough anymore )

Juan Cuadrado ( Half a season at the club, loaned out and now back at the club )

Nathan Aké ( Showed promise, but i didn't think he was ever going to make it here as a LB, i prefered him as a DM )

Baba Rahman ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Radamel Falcao ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Alexandre Pato ( Half a season and then he left the club )

 

That is far too many short term players coming and going and not enough quality for the long term. We need to do better, we need to bring in players that we plan to keep for more than a season and find decent replacements for out going greats.

 

Are we even scouting players ? We need to be finding the Azpilicueta's and Zouma's, not wasting time on finished players like Eto'o, Falcao and Pato.

Edited August 4, 20169 yr by Scott Harris

Juan is ma boi

 

Here is a list of players that have left in the last 3 years, a lot of them actually  joined in the last 3 years and left in that time too.

 

Didier Drogba ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Ashley Cole ( Coming towards the end of his career, still not replaced )

David Luiz ( The right choice to sell him )

Frank Lampard ( Should have kept him on for 1 more season at least )

Fernando Torres ( Had to go, been finished for years )

André Schürrle ( 1 and a half season's at the club and then he was sold )

Mohamed Salah ( 1 season and then he left the club)

Marco van Ginkel ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Demba Ba ( Saved football and then moved on )

Samuel Eto'o ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Mark Schwarzer (  1 season and then he left the club)

Petr ?ech ( Sold to Arseholes )

Filipe Luís ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Ramires ( Rightly sold, he's not good enough anymore )

Juan Cuadrado ( Half a season at the club, loaned out and now back at the club )

Nathan Aké ( Showed promise, but i didn't think he was ever going to make it here as a LB, i prefered him as a DM )

Baba Rahman ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Radamel Falcao ( 1 season and then he left the club )

Alexandre Pato ( Half a season and then he left the club )

 

That is far too many short term players coming and going and not enough quality for the long term. We need to do better, we need to bring in players that we plan to keep for more than a season and find decent replacements for out going greats.

 

Are we even scouting players ? We need to be finding the Azpilicueta's and Zouma's, not wasting time on finished players like Eto'o, Falcao and Pato.

 

Well said!!! 

And most of it is also down to the way Jose thinks. Buying Etoo was possibly a blunder which cost us Lukaku.

Drogba/Falcao were shambolic decisions. (I love DD to the core but why?)

A lot of them should not have been bought (salah, cuadrado), some of them should not have been sold (luis,bertrand (i think you missed him), kdb, lukaku, schurrle).

The way the club is been run is frustrating to say the least.

If Cuadrado does well this season, some people are going to look really silly. Of course I already look silly having said last season that he would be a good signing.

another stellar game from the chosen juan

im starting to believe...

 

Pictured leaving the stadium with someone from AC Milan. 

If milan are going to take him please buy him not another loan

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