Meanwhile Thiago looks like he's the support teacher on a school trip. Relaxed, little smile, seen it all before.

1 hour ago, coco said:

Jesus wept drop the agenda mate, your'e starting to look like that weirdo we got coming on here just to tell us all that Frank is a PE teacher.

Everyone is clinching fists in the picture, everyone is 'striking a pose', Tammy does a good job of it if you ask me.

 

Ziyech hasn't even bothered to get in the photo. Following Jim's logic we can only assume it is down to an attitude problem and that he has told Tuchel to shove it and wants to submit a transfer request.

Jim is being a bit ridiculous.

On topic though I think Tuchel have proven himself right now in terms of Abraham not having a place in this team currently. It's the fluidity of the likes of Werner, Havertz, Mount and Pulisic that makes us hard to stop instead of playing with Abraham who's more of a single focal point and easier to contain.

 

4 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Jim is being a bit ridiculous.

On topic though I think Tuchel have proven himself right now in terms of Abraham not having a place in this team currently. It's the fluidity of the likes of Werner, Havertz, Mount and Pulisic that makes us hard to stop instead of playing with Abraham who's more of a single focal point and easier to contain.

 

That also makes me wary of signing a marquee out and out striker in the summer, even Haaland. 

5 minutes ago, Sindre said:

Jim is being a bit ridiculous.

On topic though I think Tuchel have proven himself right now in terms of Abraham not having a place in this team currently. It's the fluidity of the likes of Werner, Havertz, Mount and Pulisic that makes us hard to stop instead of playing with Abraham who's more of a single focal point and easier to contain.

 

I was being a bit ridiculous, on purpose. The sentiment remains though - that I often feel he is out for #1 rather than the greater good. 
 

agree with your other points .

6 minutes ago, Argo said:

That also makes me wary of signing a marquee out and out striker in the summer, even Haaland. 

Sancho! Imagine the versatility.

 

3 minutes ago, weetee said:

Sancho! Imagine the versatility.

 

Even without Sancho I've got a lot of confidence the attacking players will come good, without meaning to open up old wounds again I think their struggles largely came down to Lampard (maybe due to inexperience) struggling to construct a proper system that played to their strengths, three months under Tuchel and we're seeing encouraging signs with all of them.

On the assumption Tammy and Giroud leave my ideal strikers will be Kai in the false 9, with Aguero as the insurance policy backup and Soonsup Bell promoted from the youth set up. Probably being too idealistic but that would be a really good balance of options.

I hope that if we sign a striker this summer it is a player that works for Tuchel. As we have seen in recent months his system does not suit a traditional target player, which explains the limited minutes for both Giroud and Abraham. Even in games against weaker opposition. 

51 minutes ago, Argo said:

Even without Sancho I've got a lot of confidence the attacking players will come good, without meaning to open up old wounds again I think their struggles largely came down to Lampard (maybe due to inexperience) struggling to construct a proper system that played to their strengths, three months under Tuchel and we're seeing encouraging signs with all of them.

On the assumption Tammy and Giroud leave my ideal strikers will be Kai in the false 9, with Aguero as the insurance policy backup and Soonsup Bell promoted from the youth set up. Probably being too idealistic but that would be a really good balance of options.

I agree with a lot of your post but I wouldnt say the struggles were largely down to Frank, I think the issues were largely down to having a completely new revamped squad which was taking time getting used to playing together.

I always maintained that Frank would've got us top 4 and my belief was based on the assumption that the more the team plays together in a settled system the more they will improve, obviously TT has done an incredible job and I don't want to take anything away from that but one contributor to the improved individual performances is acclimatization and having some players return to full fitness.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

That also makes me wary of signing a marquee out and out striker in the summer, even Haaland. 

Yeah TT has earned the right to chose so if he does not want to try for Haaland then fair enough.

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Even without Sancho I've got a lot of confidence the attacking players will come good, without meaning to open up old wounds again I think their struggles largely came down to Lampard (maybe due to inexperience) struggling to construct a proper system that played to their strengths, three months under Tuchel and we're seeing encouraging signs with all of them.

On the assumption Tammy and Giroud leave my ideal strikers will be Kai in the false 9, with Aguero as the insurance policy backup and Soonsup Bell promoted from the youth set up. Probably being too idealistic but that would be a really good balance of options.

Man City are ready to move on from Aguero, we should be just as well. The one parallel is that once upon a time Lampard our best scorer went there so now they would be giving us their best scorer in return but it just doesn't feel like the best move. If we are to lose Tammy as well as Giroud we would really need a striker that doesn't have a big history of getting injured after his peak so realistically Aguero doesn't really fit for our needs, for example getting Giroud did fit very much and it was a brilliant move but I can't see Aguero in the same way it looks like an underwhelming move.

You could argue that we could take the other route and get a player that can create a lot, like Grealish. But not him in particular since he's another player that loves to be towards the left hand side just like Pulisic, Mount, Werner... So maybe someone like that but with a smaller reputation so that we're versatile enough in order to rest Mount but also Werner when needed.

The problem is that if we sign Haaland or Sancho it could create a big imbalance, Werner can improve his finishing IMO so we should see how he does next season and Pulisic and Havertz should be starting games so as soon as you add Haaland/Sancho you have 4 players that want to be starters and in that case we might lose CHO as well when he sees that it's just too crowded for him to continue his development. I think that we should try to keep Tammy and promise him more minutes because Giroud is leaving and then promote another youngster like you say, that would be a balanced move which would allow us to focus on the T.Silva replacement and IMO we need a new DM that sits back like Jorginho.

Even if we miss a lot of chances we do have a few young players that we should build the attack around and hopefully Werner improves his finishing so we might not need a big signing for the attack.

In comparison Man City is playing with Foden and KDB in attack centrally for most of the season and it's working for them but they do have the space for someone like Haaland, I don't think we do. I have said from the start that denying Man City their Aguero replacement would be great but now I realize it might hurt us much more in the long run while they would just sign someone else instead, it would be hard to keep everyone happy.

2 hours ago, Argo said:

That also makes me wary of signing a marquee out and out striker in the summer, even Haaland. 

I'm the complete opposite. If you look at Haaland's pace, movement, strength and how he links the play, I think we would be mental not to go for him.

1 minute ago, just said:

I'm the complete opposite. If you look at Haaland's pace, movement, strength and how he links the play, I think we would be mental not to go for him.

Haaland woud want to be a starter just like Werner and Tammy. The last thing Werner needs is Haaland as competition. The big thing in getting him is that Man City would be denied their priority signing but they can always find someone else...

4 hours ago, Argo said:

Even without Sancho I've got a lot of confidence the attacking players will come good, without meaning to open up old wounds again I think their struggles largely came down to Lampard (maybe due to inexperience) struggling to construct a proper system that played to their strengths, three months under Tuchel and we're seeing encouraging signs with all of them.

On the assumption Tammy and Giroud leave my ideal strikers will be Kai in the false 9, with Aguero as the insurance policy backup and Soonsup Bell promoted from the youth set up. Probably being too idealistic but that would be a really good balance of options.

Sure it would be kind of a luxury signing. But so would be arguably any new striker. I don't think Aguero would move from one bench to another to be a super sub.

Tammy is most probably gone in the summer imho, Giroud likely too. CHO, hard to say. I thought he had a good start under Tuchel but is somewhat losing more and more ground by the minute. Why, I have no clue; I'd like to see him share the RWB position with James, like they did at the start, as long as we're playing 353 as an attacking option. Not sure I see him in the front three tbh. So that would leave you with Puli,Kai, Timo, Mount and Ziyech for three positions. I'd say that would leave enough room for Sancho - although I agree that this would potentially mean one high profile player too much. But, and this his is just me phantasizing, I could see Mount starting a bit deeper too - kinda like an Iniesta role from way back. That'd mean we switch to a back four more occasionaly which I wouldn't rule out at all.

 

I also read rumors about a Marquinhos siging, which I think is just a tabloid thing, but a player like that could solve a lot of problems tbh: fluid in-game switching between 3 CB or one DM in front of 2 CB with two attack minded players (e.g. Kante along Mount/Ziyech). Of course this is super hypothetical and would also cause a ruckus among the current playerbase at the back but you'd also solve immediately the long term replacement of Silva with Marqinhos whi is nothing short of being his natural heir imho.

 

Edited May 6, 20215 yr by weetee

2 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Haaland woud want to be a starter just like Werner and Tammy. The last thing Werner needs is Haaland as competition. The big thing in getting him is that Man City would be denied their priority signing but they can always find someone else...

Werner and Haaland can play together though. 

I think so too. But I wouldn't be so sure wether Haaland is as versatile and interchangeable on the pitch regarding positioning as Havertz/Werner/Mount/Pulisic are. Would be amazing to watch I bet but he'll most likely costs well beyond a fortune this summer (Sancho has a gentelmen's agreement to leave after the season).

 

It's a bit disrespectul to talk that stuff in the Tammy thread to be honest. It'll be interesting if he accepts the fight for a spot with heavy rotation and also if he can adjust his style. Because the sole poacher role won't do for Tuchel I'd say - some special situations exluded. If those rare situations (=minutes) are good enough for Tammy is to be seen. I personally don't mind losing young talents if they don't really fit into the squad. And I'd rather they leave early and go their own way instead of "wasting" their time on the bench or worse. 

5 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Haaland woud want to be a starter just like Werner and Tammy. The last thing Werner needs is Haaland as competition. The big thing in getting him is that Man City would be denied their priority signing but they can always find someone else...

If Werner couldn't rise to that competition Gol that says more about him than Haaland.

At the moment there are two young strikers who are head and shoulders above the crowd. Mbappe and Haaland. Mbappe IMO is blessed with everything you could ever want in a striker in terms of technical skill and God given natural athleticism. But the question mark is that perhaps he has a Neymar mentality. Haaland also looks a beast. Height, power, strength, movement, technically solid, brilliant link up play and, here is the difference, from what I have seen, the work rate and mentality to go with it.

I say again. If there is the remotest chance we could get him, it would be madness not to go for him. Whatever that means for Werner, Tammy or any other forward in our squad.

8 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Haaland woud want to be a starter just like Werner and Tammy. The last thing Werner needs is Haaland as competition. The big thing in getting him is that Man City would be denied their priority signing but they can always find someone else...

Who would be worried about what Werner needs if Chelsea could sign Haaland 😂Haaland would put Chelsea onto another level straight away

7 hours ago, just said:

If Werner couldn't rise to that competition Gol that says more about him than Haaland.

At the moment there are two young strikers who are head and shoulders above the crowd. Mbappe and Haaland. Mbappe IMO is blessed with everything you could ever want in a striker in terms of technical skill and God given natural athleticism. But the question mark is that perhaps he has a Neymar mentality. Haaland also looks a beast. Height, power, strength, movement, technically solid, brilliant link up play and, here is the difference, from what I have seen, the work rate and mentality to go with it.

I say again. If there is the remotest chance we could get him, it would be madness not to go for him. Whatever that means for Werner, Tammy or any other forward in our squad.

Yea that's a good explanation... So I guess it's reasonable to think that we do have some chance to get him, specially if Roman is making some calls.

9 hours ago, just said:

If Werner couldn't rise to that competition Gol that says more about him than Haaland.

At the moment there are two young strikers who are head and shoulders above the crowd. Mbappe and Haaland. Mbappe IMO is blessed with everything you could ever want in a striker in terms of technical skill and God given natural athleticism. But the question mark is that perhaps he has a Neymar mentality. Haaland also looks a beast. Height, power, strength, movement, technically solid, brilliant link up play and, here is the difference, from what I have seen, the work rate and mentality to go with it.

I say again. If there is the remotest chance we could get him, it would be madness not to go for him. Whatever that means for Werner, Tammy or any other forward in our squad.

Mentality revolves around the culture of the dressing room. Take Mbappe out of PSG and put him in ours, he'll be right as rain.

 

Bemused by the continued exclusion of the team's top goal scorer from match day squads. 

4 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Bemused by the continued exclusion of the team's top goal scorer from match day squads. 

It's obvious isn't it? @nonotnowjim has kidnapped Tammy and is holding him captive.

7 hours ago, just said:

It's obvious isn't it? @nonotnowjim has kidnapped Tammy and is holding him captive.

I warned him to stay away from my wife!

Patrice Evra is preparing his speech...

8 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Bemused by the continued exclusion of the team's top goal scorer from match day squads. 

I don't think there is anything to be bemused about. Rightly or wrongly, TT made his position clear weeks ago. 

He said something along the lines of

1)Tammy played a lot when I first came, he didn't make the impact he or we would have wanted

2) he then got injured at a crucial time, and it is hard to reintegrate people into the team at such a key part of the season 

3) what Tammy needs to do is keep working hard, and then when the opportunity comes, he needs to take them to make an impact.

These are all points made by TT, so he has already made clear why Tammy has not been featuring. It is hard to argue that Tammy has made much of an impact all season (a single point winning goal unless forgotten), and he has made even less of an positive impression since TT came. When he came on the against West Ham he was largely anonymous. We do not know how he is training.

So we can all debate whether or not Tammy has been given opportunities this season, and the position people take will be subjective down to their perception about Tammy. Some think he has not been given enough chances and other like me think that Tammy has failed to make much of an impact when he has had chances, so on balance wouldn't warrant more.

So the debate on if Tammy should have played more is valid. But the question of why he hasn't played much recently under Tuchel is already answered.