1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

Even one of his bad buys for us in Oriol Romeu is now starting to show at Southampton what a good player he is. He looked a lot better than Matic last season anyway.

We tend to buy a lot of good players, we just dont give them enough of a chance or we buy them too young and sell them too early. Some of the players we have bought and sold over the past few years that are now excellent players is amazing

12 hours ago, JJP said:

We tend to buy a lot of good players, we just dont give them enough of a chance or we buy them too young and sell them too early. Some of the players we have bought and sold over the past few years that are now excellent players is amazing

Other than lukaku and kdb, who else.

31 minutes ago, dkw said:

Other than lukaku and kdb, who else.

Romeu, Bertrand, to a certain extent salah, pasalic (this is one who should have got a chance instead of mikel/rambo). 

4 minutes ago, didierforever said:

Romeu, Bertrand, to a certain extent salah, pasalic (this is one who should have got a chance instead of mikel/rambo). 

Didn't buy Bertrand, romeu is an ok player, certainly not excellent. Salah was dreadful, hardly a mistake selling him. We haven't sold pasalic.

12 minutes ago, dkw said:

Didn't buy Bertrand, romeu is an ok player, certainly not excellent. Salah was dreadful, hardly a mistake selling him. We haven't sold pasalic.

We DID buy bertrand from gillingham. As much as we bought ake, christensen (at a very young age). And I feel thats what the poster above was alluding to. If bertrand was not a chelsea player we would have been looking to buy him for luke shaw-ish money. Same goes for ake/christensen (yet people want to buy VVD).

Romeu would be a great squad player.

Yes we have not sold pasalic YET, but would be surprised if he is still a chelsea player at the end of the window. 

 

Romeu would not get near our squad, he simply isn't at that level.

We bought Berty when he was about 16 didn't we? He came through our youth system rather than as a first teamer, but yes I concede we did buy him.

I don't want vvd, I would much rather Christensen got his chance, but I'm still not convinced Ake will ever hit the required level.

 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

Other than lukaku and kdb, who else.

Bertrand, Salah, Cuadrado (sort of), Luis, Romeu, Thorgan, Sturridge.. And thats just from the top of my head

1 minute ago, JJP said:

Bertrand, Salah, Cuadrado (sort of), Luis, Romeu, Thorgan, Sturridge.. And thats just from the top of my head

Seeing this is the Emenalo thread we should only talk about signings Emenalo made.

3 minutes ago, jack_super_class said:

Seeing this is the Emenalo thread we should only talk about signings Emenalo made.

Not sure who Emenalo signed specifically, always thought it was a joint effort

Just now, JJP said:

Not sure who Emenalo signed specifically, always thought it was a joint effort

Well yeah I'm sure everyone has there opinions etc but Emenalo is the technical director so I'm sure he has more power and say than most.

Just now, jack_super_class said:

Well yeah I'm sure everyone has there opinions etc but Emenalo is the technical director so I'm sure he has more power and say than most.

But how would you know which signings Emenalo was responsible for?

1 minute ago, JJP said:

But how would you know which signings Emenalo was responsible for?

Because most of Emenalo signings are the younger ones like Courtois,Lukaku, KDB, Zouma etc. AVB admitted when we signed KDB that it was a club signing and i think Mourinho admitted Zouma wasn't his signing. When Mourinho was in charge i could always feel when  a player wasn't his signing because he wouldn't play them that much. Remy wasn't his signing, Baba Rahman wasn't, Van Ginkel, Salah. The only signing I'm not sure if it was Mourinho or not was Cuadrado.

With Conte, Alonso was his signing, batshuayi wasn't, Luiz wasn't and i dont think Kante was.

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Biggest mistakes as far as I can tell were our failure to sign Alex Sandro when at Porto (we bought Baba around the same time) and van Dijk when he was Celtic (coincidentally we also signed Djilobodji around the same time van Dijk signed for Southampton). Granted we can't always get it right but to my mind for every good decision there's at least one almighty f**k up.

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18 minutes ago, the special one said:

Biggest mistakes as far as I can tell were our failure to sign Alex Sandro when at Porto (we bought Baba around the same time) and van Dijk when he was Celtic. Granted we can't always get it right but to my mind for every good decision there's at least one almighty f**k up.

How is not signing 2 random players an almighty F Up if that's the case pretty much every good player in the world that has been signed by a different team other than us is an almighty f**k up. In which case every club in the world makes more f**k ups than successes.

We have done extremely well in the transfer market during the Roman era and we are one of the better teams at spotting talent (although not necessarily utilising it). Having said that I think our transfer policy will and is shifting as there seems to be a much greater focus on the academy rather than buying young foreign players. Which in turn I think will reduce Emanalo's role somewhat.  

3 hours ago, the special one said:

Biggest mistakes as far as I can tell were our failure to sign Alex Sandro when at Porto (we bought Baba around the same time) and van Dijk when he was Celtic (coincidentally we also signed Djilobodji around the same time van Dijk signed for Southampton). Granted we can't always get it right but to my mind for every good decision there's at least one almighty f**k up.

I'd like to see more of that too. We and most other clubs of our stature don't do a good job of finding players just before they blow up. Dave is an example of us getting it right, Baba is one we've got wrong. It's the clubs that one or two steps down who seem to have the most success at it. Maybe that's part of it though, they have to find those players by necessity bc they don't have 60m to spend on Alex Sandro after he makes it big. Everton have just signed Klassen and Sandro Ramirez for what could be peanuts if those two hit the ground running. The conundrum is while they may eventually be good enough to play here, we don't know if they are now and thus may not see many minutes to prove it or to elevate their games

2 minutes ago, TheChelseaBlues said:

Everton have just signed Klassen and Sandro Ramirez for what could be peanuts if those two hit the ground running. The conundrum is while they may eventually be good enough to play here, we don't know if they are now and thus may not see many minutes to prove it or to elevate their games

And no one ever mentions the duds other clubs sign.

4 hours ago, JJP said:

But how would you know which signings Emenalo was responsible for?

Technically, all of them. That's generally the job of a Technical Director, to oversee a club's transfer strategy. 

The manager/head coach might make recommendations for buying and selling but the sanctioning of deals goes through the Technical Director and then in our case Director Marina Granovskaia oversees the negotiations of any transfers, in and out. 

f**king hate this topic.

18 hours ago, didierforever said:

We DID buy bertrand from gillingham. As much as we bought ake, christensen (at a very young age). And I feel thats what the poster above was alluding to. If bertrand was not a chelsea player we would have been looking to buy him for luke shaw-ish money. Same goes for ake/christensen (yet people want to buy VVD).

Romeu would be a great squad player.

Yes we have not sold pasalic YET, but would be surprised if he is still a chelsea player at the end of the window. 

 

Luke Shaw money really? Bertrand really isn't that good. Decent PL level left back but the average Chelsea fan really exaggerated his quality.

9 minutes ago, Argo said:

Luke Shaw money really? Bertrand really isn't that good. Decent PL level left back but the average Chelsea fan really exaggerated his quality.

He is one of the best LB in the league right now (if not the best). 

1 minute ago, didierforever said:

He is one of the best LB in the league right now (if not the best). 

Then i fear for the state of LB's in the league if that's the case, 8 year's ago Evra and Ash were the best. 

8 minutes ago, Argo said:

Then i fear for the state of LB's in the league if that's the case, 8 year's ago Evra and Ash were the best. 

the state of LBs in the league is not irrelevant to the discussion.

Bertrand IS one of the best LBs in the league. He is HG and going in his prime. Also, he would have been mega critical during our baba rahman/ivanovic phase. 

11 minutes ago, didierforever said:

the state of LBs in the league is not irrelevant to the discussion.

Bertrand IS one of the best LBs in the league. He is HG and going in his prime. Also, he would have been mega critical during our baba rahman/ivanovic phase. 

And if Sandro and Mendy arrive in this league he would suddenly be very far from the best.

Not even Pele and Maldini could have saved our season while Jose was here. And while Bertrand was here 5 manager's managed him and not a single one decided to drop a heavily declined Ash for him, you could maybe pass it off  as an error of judgement if 1 or 2 overlooked him, but 5? 

13 minutes ago, Argo said:

And if Sandro and Mendy arrive in this league he would suddenly be very far from the best.

Not even Pele and Maldini could have saved our season while Jose was here. And while Bertrand was here 5 manager's managed him and not a single one decided to drop a heavily declined Ash for him, you could maybe pass it off  as an error of judgement if 1 or 2 overlooked him, but 5? 

Well considering the FACT, that he is one of the best LBs in the league and way ahead of a certain Luke Shaw who we so coveted, it seems all 5 of them got it WRONG. 

Sandro is one of the best LBs in the world, so yes, Bert would be left behind, as for Mendy, a simple case of grass being greener. The guy has the potential but a lot of times finds himself out of position. I would give him an year in the PL playing against the likes of shaqiri and arnautovic daily rather than finding himself playing against decent wingers twice a season or so.