21 minutes ago, SydneyChelsea said:

Couldn't see it on TV but I imagine Moses made up some serious ground to be so unmarked in the box for his goal. 

In this form it looks like Costa, Hazard and Pedro are necessitating double-teams and Alonso and Moses are allowed way too many opportunities.

Our attacking three and wingbacks are creating space for eachother. Today Matic was able to find Pedro, because Alonso started a run down the left side draging Dembele out wide. Before our second goal it was Pedro that created the space for Moses, because he managed to find a good position behind Tottenhams defenders and their left back rushed back to help out.

2 hours ago, just said:

Me and my good friend bola are liking Conte in ways that one man really shouldn't like another but he does need to lose the Ivanovich substitute thingy.

When he came on Ivan probably had more chance of spelling Georges-kevin N'koudou than he did of actually tackling him.

Ingrate, just because our vice-captain isn't currently up to the job doesn't mean that our legend on the bench isn't.

Not all of us are built to run up and down all f**king day.

8 hours ago, bluelion111 said:

I will say, though, what was he thinking with those subs? Unless he was injured, Hazard should have stayed on to help retain possession and look for space in behind Spurs as they pushed, and Ivanovic...I thought he was going CB with Azpi coming wide, looked really shaky as he clearly can't play wide anymore.

spot on on hazard.. he's still our biggest threat alongside costa in the game.. if anyone needed to be subbed off then it's alonso and kante.. I think willian should have come on for alonso..

 

As for ivanovic, what the hell is the big idea of trying to ease him back into the team? wasn't conte highly praised for having the ball to drop ivanovic? but now it seems like he only did it because of ivanovic's injury that forced him to do so and now it does look like he's trying to get him back into the team, as if he's the 1st in the queue to come on.. 

 

I don't get why he wanna waste any more time with ivanovic when we have aina and zouma ready to combat for the team.. Even JT doesn't have such privilege..

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, bola said:

spot on on hazard.. he's still our biggest threat alongside costa in the game.. if anyone needed to be subbed off then it's alonso and kante.. I think willian should have come on for alonso..

 

As for ivanovic, what the hell is the big idea of trying to ease him back into the team? wasn't conte highly praised for having the ball to drop ivanovic? but now it seems like he only did it because of ivanovic's injury that forced him to do so and now it does look like he's trying to get him back into the team, as if he's the 1st in the queue to come on.. 

 

I don't get why he wanna waste any more time with ivanovic when we have aina and zouma ready to combat for the team.. Even JT doesn't have such privilege..

 

 

 

 

The first time he changed the system was at Hull and Ivanovic was benched, has nothing to do with his injury.

His sub is because this system relies on the wingbacks playing like two player's, it's important we don't burn Moses out because as we quite clearly saw when Ivan came on we don't have decent alternatives there. Whether bringing on Ivan was right is a total different argument but the point is he is coming on to give Victor much needed breathers late on, not because he's slowly getting integrated back on the side.

5 minutes ago, Argo said:

The first time he changed the system was at Hull and Ivanovic was benched, has nothing to do with his injury.

His sub is because this system relies on the wingbacks playing like two player's, it's important we don't burn Moses out because as we quite clearly saw when Ivan came on we don't have decent alternatives there. Whether bringing on Ivan was right is a total different argument but the point is he is coming on to give Victor much needed breathers late on, not because he's slowly getting integrated back on the side.

 

Maybe aina is not good enough for you but you can't be serious if you think ivanovic is a better option as wingback than the likes of azpi or even willian... That's actually 3 options already for the wingback role..

 

If I'm not mistaken, moses is english and apart from premier league game once a week, I don't think he's played that many games to even suggest a burn out.. He didn't even start the season... what about alonso? he's played as many games as moses and weaker than moses but nobody worry about his so called 'burn out'?  what about costa? so it's not important if we burn him out??  Anyway, burn out suggestion is a ridiculous claim at early stage like now..

 

Ivanovic will probably be gone in the next transfer window or a window after that and we still have players like zouma, aina, chalobah that we can count on so I don't see why we even bother with ivanovic at this stage now..

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, bola said:

 

Maybe aina is not good enough for you but you can't be serious if you think ivanovic is a better option as wingback than the likes of azpi or even willian... That's actually 3 options already for the wingback role..

 

If I'm not mistaken, moses is english and apart from premier league game once a week, I don't think he's played that many games to even suggest a burn out.. He didn't even start the season... what about alonso? he's played as many games as moses and weaker than moses but nobody worry about his so called 'burn out'?  what about costa? so it's not important if we burn him out??  Anyway, burn out suggestion is a ridiculous claim at early stage like now..

 

Ivanovic will probably be gone in the next transfer window or a window after that and we still have players like zouma, aina, chalobah that we can count on so I don't see why we even bother with ivanovic at this stage now..

 

 

 

 

 

 

Im sorry but i never said he was, I'm not on board with the romantic idea Aina is either tho. Bottom line is right now we have no quality wing back alternatives which is why Moses and Alonso need wrapping up in cotton wool.

Once a week however it doesn't matter, wingback is a heavily demanding system and if we aren't careful he will burn out even playing once a week, if we can take him off last ten most games then it will add up over the season.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Im sorry but i never said he was, I'm not on board with the romantic idea Aina is either tho. Bottom line is right now we have no quality wing back alternatives which is why Moses and Alonso need wrapping up in cotton wool.

Once a week however it doesn't matter, wingback is a heavily demanding system and if we aren't careful he will burn out even playing once a week, if we can take him off last ten most games then it will add up over the season.

 

I don't see how you can justify ivanovic inclusion if your reasoning is only about to care about moses getting burn out.. You see, like I mentioned earlier we have better options than ivanovic for the role, it doesn't have to be him but him anyway for conte regardless so that doesn't make sense.. If conte keep doing that, sooner or later it's gonna hurt us and by playing someone who's ready to retire at top flight level, it's also halting other player's progress...

 

If any player that needed to be eased back into the team, it's zouma..

13 minutes ago, bola said:

 

I don't see how you can justify ivanovic inclusion if your reasoning is only about to care about moses getting burn out.. You see, like I mentioned earlier we have better options than ivanovic for the role, it doesn't have to be him but him anyway for conte regardless so that doesn't make sense.. If conte keep doing that, sooner or later it's gonna hurt us and by playing someone who's ready to retire at top flight level, it's also halting other player's progress...

 

If any player that needed to be eased back into the team, it's zouma..

Why are you saying I'm justifying Ivanovic inclusion? I'm not, I've already stated that it becomes a totally different argument when it comes to debating the player coming on. However giving Moses ten rest here and ten there is important as this system is so reliant on him staying in good condition, yes it's not nice seeing Ivan on for ten minutes, but its better than 90 which could easily be a reality if Moses starts getting tired.

Edited November 27, 20169 yr by Argo

3 hours ago, Argo said:

Why are you saying I'm justifying Ivanovic inclusion? I'm not, I've already stated that it becomes a totally different argument when it comes to debating the player coming on. However giving Moses ten rest here and ten there is important as this system is so reliant on him staying in good condition, yes it's not nice seeing Ivan on for ten minutes, but its better than 90 which could easily be a reality if Moses starts getting tired.

 

huh? ok then what were we arguing in the 1st place again?? 

 

Even though I don't agree with you about having to worry  about players getting burn out at this stage of the season, I do agree that squad depth is best used to prevent a main player from suffering an injury of overused.. That's why I suggested on introducing batshuayi whenever the time is appropriate to lessen costa work load..

What I find great is how under the radar he is flying right now, all about klopp, pep, Jose even a bit of mopo but for such a large character conte getting very little press

Stolen from the Daily Mail...

Son: Dad, where's the remote?

Dad: It's where Chelsea is.

Son: What do you mean?

Dad: On top of the Table.


 

Surely back to back Manager of the month awards are coming his way

If he doesn't win it again it would be criminal

I do wonder who will beat us. One concern is injuries to key player/s, which could cause problems. it seems everyone of our rivals has had an injury or suspension to one or more of their key players. I so want it to be our year but one injury can set us back. 

I do wonder who will beat us. One concern is injuries to key player/s, which could cause problems. it seems everyone of our rivals has had an injury or suspension to one or more of their key players. I so want it to be our year but one injury can set us back. 

This is why when January comes we need to get wingback cover for both wingbacks that's the problem position even though Costa and hazard are key if they get injured I believe we could cope

I cannot believe my first choice for Manager in the summer was Pochetino, didn't like him at all during his post match interviews. Made it sound like it was Celtic-Barca and we sneaked a win. They may have had more possession but we clearly had better openings and looked more likely to score a 3rd than Spurs equalizing.

5 hours ago, Brutos said:

This is why when January comes we need to get wingback cover for both wingbacks that's the problem position even though Costa and hazard are key if they get injured I believe we could cope

Left only, azpi can cover right. We also need a ball playing cb like luiz our issue against the spuds was the press stopped us playing out in large part due to Garry and azpi being uncomfortable on the ball, you can see a clip of luiz roaring at the keeper for making the same pass to azpi and inviting pressure. In addition good cover for Pedro/hazard, Willian isn't good enough to cause the havoc either of those 2 can. If we do that we should be able to mount a very serious title challenge. 

Really can't see a place here for Ivan. Thought we had moved on, and to see him come on at the end brought a lot of dismay down my local. Please let him and us move on. 

5 minutes ago, Kev56 said:

Really can't see a place here for Ivan. Thought we had moved on, and to see him come on at the end brought a lot of dismay down my local. Please let him and us move on. 

The more concerning element of the substitution was that he directly replaced Moses as a wingback, when the sub was made I thought Ivanovic would go into the back 3 and Azpi will play on the wing and unfortunately that did not happen.

Lets all just hope Moses does not get injured because that could spell the end of our title challenge and we'll have to aim for the top 4 instead.

4 hours ago, Imran_CFC said:

I cannot believe my first choice for Manager in the summer was Pochetino, didn't like him at all during his post match interviews. Made it sound like it was Celtic-Barca and we sneaked a win. They may have had more possession but we clearly had better openings and looked more likely to score a 3rd than Spurs equalizing.

Pochettino clearly has some resentment for us from what happened on 2nd May. 

5 hours ago, Brutos said:

This is why when January comes we need to get wingback cover for both wingbacks that's the problem position even though Costa and hazard are key if they get injured I believe we could cope

Absolutely. we can't afford to sit on our laurels. we need to strengthen as much as we can, but the quality in jan might be lacking. 

Burn out? Impossible. Conte doesn't give you neither the opportunity to think about that!!! I can assure this, I didn't lose neither one match of the 3 years in which Conte was Juventus coach!

Surely I agree with many of you about being concerned of injuries of key players. I'm really impressed by Diego Costa: no one in Juventus was so good in interpreting his rule! It's not only for technical qualities (Matri, Quagliarella and Llorente are obviously not at his level), but for the movements, for his incredible skills to know always the best thing to do! I think substituting him could be really difficult.

Substitute midfielders isn't really a problem. I have seen all type of injuries in Juventus ... Marchisio, Vidal, Pirlo ... who has played in such occasions, even the worst (Padoin, Marrone) has always done what they have to do. And it's not to forget that Conte is able to transform players in midfielder ... Giaccherini was a right forward, but under Conte he becames an incredible left-center midfielder!

My fear is actual substitutes don't understand his philosophy. Imo only Oscar on saturday had a good impact on the match in his few minutes. While Willian is always a fish out of a bowl (it's an italian way of saying, is the same in english??? :-)  ).  Ivanovic is always in late. And Fabregas doesn't run.

I hope Abramovich will do his part at january!

I'm pretty sure is Roman is impressed and will support him heavily in January. Thanks for the insight

Another week, another victory.... the bloke can do no wrong at the mo.

I have to admit I didnt like our subs around 80 mins mark, shutting up shop, thought it was gonna come back and bite us in the arse. 

 

I am genuinely starting to suspect that Antonio died for our sins.