8 hours ago, Argo said:

Unlike Jose, Antonio is quite evidently a big believer in work on the training ground. 

Dunno how you can infer this. What says Jose doesn't believe in work on the training ground?

Edited November 9, 20169 yr by Stim

8 hours ago, Stim said:

Dunno how you can infer this. What says Jose doesn't believe in work on the training ground?

He probably believes in it to a point, but i think his main reliance is on having top players, especially in attack. It's not a bad thing far from it, having the best teams and a lot of money to spend in itself brings a pressure that a lot of manager's struggle with (Emery latest example) but with the possible exception of his first season back with us, has a Jose team ever been better than the sum of it's parts? The likes of Conte and Klopp however while i'm sure they wouldn't turn their nose up to a blank chequebook, you can tell they really work the teams in the training ground to make them better than what they should be. I think our current squad are good, but i never in a million years felt we were capable of playing like we did Saturday or even close to that, we looked like 70s Brazil, it was insane.

Jose does need a top quality squad to perform to his maximum, like i said it's not a bad thing as a lot of manager's crumble with the pressure that brings and he as delivered as his trophy record shows, but he clearly isn't the same when he doesn't get the resources, in fact he had a chance to show the world he was more than that last season and look what happened.

3 hours ago, Argo said:

He probably believes in it to a point, but i think his main reliance is on having top players, especially in attack. It's not a bad thing far from it, having the best teams and a lot of money to spend in itself brings a pressure that a lot of manager's struggle with (Emery latest example) but with the possible exception of his first season back with us, has a Jose team ever been better than the sum of it's parts? The likes of Conte and Klopp however while i'm sure they wouldn't turn their nose up to a blank chequebook, you can tell they really work the teams in the training ground to make them better than what they should be. I think our current squad are good, but i never in a million years felt we were capable of playing like we did Saturday or even close to that, we looked like 70s Brazil, it was insane.

Jose does need a top quality squad to perform to his maximum, like i said it's not a bad thing as a lot of manager's crumble with the pressure that brings and he as delivered as his trophy record shows, but he clearly isn't the same when he doesn't get the resources, in fact he had a chance to show the world he was more than that last season and look what happened.

I think it's absurd to state that Jose doesn't work his teams hard on the training ground. The hallmark of a Mourinho team is incredible organisational discipline only achievable through hours on the pitch. The epitome of a Jose Mourinho performance, for me, is 2nd leg Inter vs Barca 2010; that team was so incredibly well drilled it was evident that they had spent hours and hours working on their defensive organisation and it paid off.

I agree that he relies on good players for attacking contribution but what that says to me is rather than not putting the hours in on the pitch, the emphasis is just on defensive rather than offensive work, or Mourinho isn't as good an offensive coach as he is a defensive one.

As for greater than sum of their parts - look no further than Porto and Inter, and I'd argue that during his first stint here we were a well oiled machine as a result of his work. We did have world class players, but he made them work very well together as a team.

 

And I'm one of the more Jose-critical posters on here.

Jose's history is good, but at the moment he looks as if he's on a downward spiral. I don't wish him ill but I'm more than happy that we have replaced him with Conte.

On 10/11/2016 at 00:08, Samdwich said:

I think it's absurd to state that Jose doesn't work his teams hard on the training ground. The hallmark of a Mourinho team is incredible organisational discipline only achievable through hours on the pitch. The epitome of a Jose Mourinho performance, for me, is 2nd leg Inter vs Barca 2010; that team was so incredibly well drilled it was evident that they had spent hours and hours working on their defensive organisation and it paid off.

I agree that he relies on good players for attacking contribution but what that says to me is rather than not putting the hours in on the pitch, the emphasis is just on defensive rather than offensive work, or Mourinho isn't as good an offensive coach as he is a defensive one.

As for greater than sum of their parts - look no further than Porto and Inter, and I'd argue that during his first stint here we were a well oiled machine as a result of his work. We did have world class players, but he made them work very well together as a team.

 

And I'm one of the more Jose-critical posters on here.

 

That's true... it's a bold call to suggest jose doesn't work on training but while he does work on it, it's mainly on defensive part or maybe I'd go as far as saying all his inputs are defensive one.. He's a firm believer that if he can make the team solid at the back, he's won half the battle, his team will have the chance via counter attack which required little to no work at the training ground for this kind of offence...

Yes, he relies on good players for attacking contribution but you must know that practice makes perfect, without it, thing will go south pretty soon on that department... If most of the times the training is all about defence, even good players would lose touch of their flair.. How many times we witness our team under him who looked like they had no clue when they had possession? Often is an understatement..

 

There's an article now suggests jose needs a matured-quality-players who buy into his philosophy to succeed, well that's just sums it up for him.. A Manager responsibility is stretched way beyond that..

Interview with Conte

http://www.chelseafc.com/news/latest-news/2016/11/the-weekend-interview-part-one--antonio-conte.html

Still amazed by the transformation over the last few games. After the Arsenal game, I really feared for us. The squad looked tired and drained. A change of system has completely rejuvenated the squad and the players look so happy and importantly, enjoying their football. 

3 minutes ago, JM7 said:

Still amazed by the transformation over the last few games. After the Arsenal game, I really feared for us. The squad looked tired and drained. A change of system has completely rejuvenated the squad and the players look so happy and importantly, enjoying their football. 

Don't forget we actually started this great run at HT against Arsenal, Conte changed it to a back three at HT and we have not let in a goal since, 500 minutes exactly.

12 hours ago, JM7 said:

Still amazed by the transformation over the last few games. After the Arsenal game, I really feared for us. The squad looked tired and drained. A change of system has completely rejuvenated the squad and the players look so happy and importantly, enjoying their football. 

All we had to do was remove Ivanovic out of the squad tbh 

Daily star manage to turn I want to explore London later, to Conte is unhappy living in London, top journalism. 

5 hours ago, Theafonis said:

All we had to do was remove Ivanovic out of the squad tbh 

As crap as Ivanovic now is the problems ran much deeper than him, which makes what Antonio has done since Arsenal all the more miraculous.

I mean look at his spell out last year between the 2nd and 3rd international breaks, we lost three in a row conceding six in the process.

On 13 November 2016 at 21:50, Floyd25 said:

Daily star manage to turn I want to explore London later, to Conte is unhappy living in London, top journalism. 

Just read the article to see whether this was exaggerated or not, and my goodness talk about taking his comments out of context and totally misrepresenting what he said about life in London.

Mind-boggling!

4 hours ago, Jezz said:

Just read the article to see whether this was exaggerated or not, and my goodness talk about taking his comments out of context and totally misrepresenting what he said about life in London.

Mind-boggling!

 

Click bait. Journalism these days. . . . .

Yes!!! Get in there son  The Don named manger  of the  month  f**king well deserved so happy that scouse loving twat klopp didnt get it 

Named Manager of the Month

http://www.espnfc.com/chelsea/story/2998546/chelsea-boss-antonio-conte-named-premier-league-manager-of-the-month-for-october

Liverpool fans meltdown on twitter any second now.. Anyone got a link to a Liverpool forum?

Wow the media baby manager didn't get it

Well deserved Don Conte.

 

Never in doubt! It was an outstanding month for the whole club and Antonio deserves huge credit for turning the club's fortunes around after a concerning September.

Hopefully the Manager of the Month curse won't override the November curse which we have managed to avoid thanks to a well-time international break.

The month of November is cursed
That's bad
But we have Antonio Conte, he won manager of the month
That's good
The manager of the month award is also cursed
That's bad
 

Delighted he has won it, fully deserved

11 minutes ago, Van Butsen said:

The month of November is cursed
That's bad
But we have Antonio Conte, he won manager of the month
That's good
The manager of the month award is also cursed
That's bad
 

Nice Simpsons reference ;)

1 hour ago, Brutos said:

Wow the media baby manager didn't get it

He would have if they matched our 100% record, you just f**king know it.

44 minutes ago, Van Butsen said:

The month of November is cursed
That's bad
But we have Antonio Conte, he won manager of the month
That's good
The manager of the month award is also cursed
That's bad
 

The Everton game was in November.