Being in America will have zero impact on a move, we don't send letters to agents you do understand? 

3 minutes ago, doctorblue said:

BeIN reporter Tancerdi Palmeri has twitted that Chelsea have been in discussions with Real all weekend and are preparing an imminent €80m bid...

I don't believe in Tancredi as he consistently spew crap like Pogba to us 2 seasons ago or the Lewandowski news last month

 

6 hours ago, B&Wlegends said:

You raise some good points let me address them if I can. First of all I have no bias at all against Belotti whom I consider a very good player and not being originally from Torino I have not so strong feelings against them as most juve fans anyway because they have not been seriously competitive for over 40 years. Torino fans of course feel very strongly about us as you could expect from fans of a mid table team with a good tradition but no recent successes who have t

My previous message got screwed up so just repasting here, sorry for the confusion 

You raise some good points let me address them if I can. First of all I have no bias at all against Belotti whom I consider a very good player and not being originally from Torino I have not so strong feelings against them as most juve fans anyway because they have not been seriously competitive for over 40 years. Torino fans of course feel very strongly about us as you could expect from fans of a mid table team with a good tradition but no recent successes who have to share the city with a team that wins slightly more frequently.  

In any case even the player came from one of the teams and fans I really loathe and despise because they are scum like Roma or Inter, I would still keep an open mind about them. For instance Nainggolan is a player that disgusts me as a person but who is objectively the best box to box midfielder in Serie A and along with Vidal one of the best in the world (btw I do not understand why Chelsea and Conte do not bid on Vidal who seems to be available for sale).

With regards to Belotti and Morata, I think your stats are interesting but stats in football are useful but need to be read with attention and always looking at other elements that are more qualitative like international experience, ability to excel under stress, personal character, tactical constraints etc.

Looking at the stats themselves a few notes: first of all Morata is only 1 year older than Belotti. Being 1 year older he has played 2 CL finals, being protagonist and scoring in 1 of them. Playing 2 Italia Cups finals winning both and scoring in 1 of them He won European U19 and U21 championships with Spain being the tournaments top scorer and scoring in semi and finals of U21.

Let's look at scoring ability. He has played just over 1300 minutes (most of them as sub) with real last year scoring 15 goals and 4 assists vs Belotti's 26 goals and 7 assists in over 3000 minutes (most of them from the start). So he actually netted an average of 1 goal every 88 minutes vs 1 goal every 118 minutes of Belotti.

Out of the 26 goals only 2 if I am not wrong were vs one of the top four teams  of the league (1 vs us  )

As a side note Belotti scored 2 penalties and missed 3, Morata did not take any penalty at Real, so the actual difference in terms of scoring is higher.

Not just that, bear in mind that Belotti has had an entire team whose main goal was to make him score because they did not have anything to win and they did not  risk relegation, so increasing Belotti's tally would increase is market value so that they could ask ridiculous amounts for him this summer. 

Morara on the other hand was always a sub despite having a great season and being a better player than Benzema, the reason being that Benzema is the ideal partner for Ronaldo and is much better than Morata at creating spaces for the Portuguese. That is why he was picked and that is why he wants tp leave Real. 

Finally the stats on tackles or number of shots must be interpreted too,  because of course Belotti will have more chances than Morata since he is almost the only terminal while at Real, even in those few instance when he plays Morata has to share the burden with at least two other players.

Sorry if my post ended being longer than I wanted, but to conclude IMO there is no way in hell that Morata can be in the same category or price level of Belotti who has only had 1 great season so far with several question marks about his ability to do it again especially in a different league and at a higher level. That is not to say that he cannot or will not do it or become even better than Morata. It is possible, albeit unlikely but he certainly is less tested and his price should reflect that. That of course does not mean much because in a market that evaluates Rudiger 40 millions or Lukaku 100, Belotti at 90 might appear almost reasonable which is not of course.

7 hours ago, Davey Baby said:

 

Out of interest, if he was highly thought of at Juve, how come Napoli offered more for him? Juve clearly had the money to go higher, as they proved with Higuain.

not entirely sure. I think it was a question of timing and because Real closed the door to any further negotiations while Higuain opportunity manifested itself and we took it also because we sold Pogba to MU. Later Napoli  made an even higher offer, but Morata refused to even consider the transfer, not sure if Real by then was more malleable

24 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

My previous message got screwed up so just repasting here, sorry for the confusion 

You raise some good points let me address them if I can. First of all I have no bias at all against Belotti whom I consider a very good player and not being originally from Torino I have not so strong feelings against them as most juve fans anyway because they have not been seriously competitive for over 40 years. Torino fans of course feel very strongly about us as you could expect from fans of a mid table team with a good tradition but no recent successes who have to share the city with a team that wins slightly more frequently.  

In any case even the player came from one of the teams and fans I really loathe and despise because they are scum like Roma or Inter, I would still keep an open mind about them. For instance Nainggolan is a player that disgusts me as a person but who is objectively the best box to box midfielder in Serie A and along with Vidal one of the best in the world (btw I do not understand why Chelsea and Conte do not bid on Vidal who seems to be available for sale).

With regards to Belotti and Morata, I think your stats are interesting but stats in football are useful but need to be read with attention and always looking at other elements that are more qualitative like international experience, ability to excel under stress, personal character, tactical constraints etc.

Looking at the stats themselves a few notes: first of all Morata is only 1 year older than Belotti. Being 1 year older he has played 2 CL finals, being protagonist and scoring in 1 of them. Playing 2 Italia Cups finals winning both and scoring in 1 of them He won European U19 and U21 championships with Spain being the tournaments top scorer and scoring in semi and finals of U21.

Let's look at scoring ability. He has played just over 1300 minutes (most of them as sub) with real last year scoring 15 goals and 4 assists vs Belotti's 26 goals and 7 assists in over 3000 minutes (most of them from the start). So he actually netted an average of 1 goal every 88 minutes vs 1 goal every 118 minutes of Belotti.

Out of the 26 goals only 2 if I am not wrong were vs one of the top four teams  of the league (1 vs us  )

As a side note Belotti scored 2 penalties and missed 3, Morata did not take any penalty at Real, so the actual difference in terms of scoring is higher.

Not just that, bear in mind that Belotti has had an entire team whose main goal was to make him score because they did not have anything to win and they did not  risk relegation, so increasing Belotti's tally would increase is market value so that they could ask ridiculous amounts for him this summer. 

Morara on the other hand was always a sub despite having a great season and being a better player than Benzema, the reason being that Benzema is the ideal partner for Ronaldo and is much better than Morata at creating spaces for the Portuguese. That is why he was picked and that is why he wants tp leave Real. 

Finally the stats on tackles or number of shots must be interpreted too,  because of course Belotti will have more chances than Morata since he is almost the only terminal while at Real, even in those few instance when he plays Morata has to share the burden with at least two other players.

Sorry if my post ended being longer than I wanted, but to conclude IMO there is no way in hell that Morata can be in the same category or price level of Belotti who has only had 1 great season so far with several question marks about his ability to do it again especially in a different league and at a higher level. That is not to say that he cannot or will not do it or become even better than Morata. It is possible, albeit unlikely but he certainly is less tested and his price should reflect that. That of course does not mean much because in a market that evaluates Rudiger 40 millions or Lukaku 100, Belotti at 90 might appear almost reasonable which is not of course.

 

Thanks for answering my points, very interesting stuff and makes me feel more positive about Morata. One thing I'm interested in, you say Benzema is far better than Morata at creating space for Ronaldo, can you elaborate on this a bit more? Are you saying Benzema is the cleverer player with a better awareness of space? Are you saying Benzema's less selfish? Or are you saying Morata's more a traditional centre-forward in the sense he hangs up top a bit more rather than roam around?

Just now, Davey Baby said:

 

Thanks for answering my points, very interesting stuff and makes me feel more positive about Morata. One thing I'm interested in, you say Benzema is far better than Morata at creating space for Ronaldo, can you elaborate on this a bit more? Are you saying Benzema is the cleverer player with a better awareness of space? Are you saying Benzema's less selfish? Or are you saying Morata's more a traditional centre-forward in the sense he hangs up top a bit more rather than roam around?

yes to some extent, but mainly Benzema has modeled his style of play to create spaces for Ronaldo and they play very well together. If you look at the way Benzema plays he moves around  the box a lot to allow Ronaldo runs into the box and he serves him a lot of assists. Morata is more of a pure striker with a great sense of goal than a assistman and he is better at finding depth and making runs thanks to his incredible speed and ability to control the ball even at very fast pace. He needs to improve his game against closed defenses when sometimes it is not possible to get the space that he loves so needs to exploit better his other qualities.

 

11 minutes ago, B&Wlegends said:

yes to some extent, but mainly Benzema has modeled his style of play to create spaces for Ronaldo and they play very well together. If you look at the way Benzema plays he moves around  the box a lot to allow Ronaldo runs into the box and he serves him a lot of assists. Morata is more of a pure striker with a great sense of goal than a assistman and he is better at finding depth and making runs thanks to his incredible speed and ability to control the ball even at very fast pace. He needs to improve his game against closed defenses when sometimes it is not possible to get the space that he loves so needs to exploit better his other qualities.

 

For a guy his size, I rarely see him play with his back towards the goal. Is this a myth or does he just plainly doesn't like playing like that?

Some papers are saying we're set to miss out on him.
Can someone fill me in?
Is this all just speculation or is there concrete proof? 

41 minutes ago, TomCFC85 said:

Some papers are saying we're set to miss out on him.
Can someone fill me in?
Is this all just speculation or is there concrete proof? 

reliable?

1 minute ago, amART said:

reliable?

Only as reliable as the sources linking us too him.

4 minutes ago, CrowBag said:

Only as reliable as the sources linking us too him.

well, S ky Italia did report "Chelsea move to sign Alvaro Morata", so hopefully we will sign him asap, we should sign striker very soon, not just because we need him but because "stability", and Morata would is the perfect striker for that, him and Hazard link up would be joy to watch, he is only 24 years old, so with playing regulary he only can become better and better in my opinion (potential is there for that, just need more time on the pitch)

Edited July 11, 20179 yr by amART

I would have preferred Morata over Lukaku from the get go (as I've said before on the board) but if we miss out on him, I struggle to see where we turn next.

 

Lewandowski appears to be completely off the table now.

Belotti with one stellar season for 90M.

Aubameyang seems to be China bound.

 

Of course these are all rumours but I struggle to see anyone else who can help put us where we need to be, here's hoping we can pull it out the bag.

19 minutes ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I would have preferred Morata over Lukaku from the get go (as I've said before on the board) but if we miss out on him, I struggle to see where we turn next.

 

Lewandowski appears to be completely off the table now.

Belotti with one stellar season for 90M.

Aubameyang seems to be China bound.

 

Of course these are all rumours but I struggle to see anyone else who can help put us where we need to be, here's hoping we can pull it out the bag.

as per last few heours reports chelsea will switch from morata and go for belotti (90+ mil bid), I'm still not buying this cuz more reliable sources posted that we are in for morata

7 minutes ago, amART said:

as per last few heours reports chelsea will switch from morata and go for belotti (90+ mil bid), I'm still not buying this cuz more reliable sources posted that we are in for morata

Transfer window is such a head f**k brah lol.

1 hour ago, EdinburghBlue said:

I would have preferred Morata over Lukaku from the get go (as I've said before on the board) but if we miss out on him, I struggle to see where we turn next.

 

Lewandowski appears to be completely off the table now.

Belotti with one stellar season for 90M.

Aubameyang seems to be China bound.

 

Of course these are all rumours but I struggle to see anyone else who can help put us where we need to be, here's hoping we can pull it out the bag.

Well we do have 1 top striker already on the books, I'm wondering if it goes tits up do we ask him to stay until Jan...

Torino's president has been all over the media in Italy stating there have been NO BIDS for Belotti - adamant about it.  Sounds a little fishy - why so defensive about it?  Maybe something is cooking behind the scenes. 

2 minutes ago, L1ONHeart said:

Torino's president has been all over the media in Italy stating there have been NO BIDS for Belotti - adamant about it.  Sounds a little fishy - why so defensive about it?  Maybe something is cooking behind the scenes. 

Probably worried about us tapping up or unsettling Belotti. They are a midtable side after all and he's their prized striker, a case of paranoia most likely

13 hours ago, TheChelsRVA said:

is that you, football agent???

Pretty sure I have been on this forum longer than him fella. Is just a feeling, I may be proven wrong. 

On 7/10/2017 at 18:17, Valerie said:

So do these numbers favour us? The day will come when I will understand these betting thingies . My country mainly consists of lottery lovers, not betting lovers  Tonight's jackpot is mine, btw, I'm sure of it.

 @ValerieSurely you mean "tonight the jackpot is ours"

On 7/10/2017 at 20:10, CrowBag said:

Costa isn't even at pre season training, Costa is done at this club and good riddance. Yes he's got quality, yes he can score and drives defences up the wall. He also is an absolute idiot and he can loose us a game just as easy as he can win us one. His head had been turned and he's a reliability. Some people mate not like This opinion bits its mine and am sticking too it :) 

And exactly how many games did Costa lose us since he's been here?

3 minutes ago, yorkleyblue said:

 @ValerieSurely you mean "tonight the jackpot is ours" 

Yes of course I meant that, silly me! Unfortunately, I did not win this month's jackpot, but I promise to buy you a pint from the €10 prize I did win (from a €30 inlay )... 

This guy is rubbish.

5 minutes ago, Paccbet said:

This guy is rubbish.

2 minutes ago, Nibs said:

He is. Couldn't start at Juve or displace a woefully out of form Benzema at RM. Doesn't have any real strengths that will make him a potent striker. Has never had a prolific season and has never lead the line at a top club before. 

Just now, Paccbet said:

He is. Couldn't start at Juve or displace a woefully out of form Benzema at RM. Doesn't have any real strengths that will make him a potent striker. Has never had a prolific season and has never lead the line at a top club before. 

Stop! My sides are hurting!! Hahahahaha

11 minutes ago, Nibs said:

Morata is different league for me, but to sign him we may need to sacrifice Courtois or Hazard.

For me I'd say Belotti is overrated. He reminds me of a poor man's Alan Shearer.

Edited July 12, 20179 yr by the special one