13 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

18 minutes ago, coco said:

Alvaro has zero confidence in his left foot, he's one footed. Which would be ok if his right foot was something special, try keeping up.

Apologies. Phrases like 'don't half stay upright for a long time' tend to throw me off. Especially when the discussion is about the comparative movement and space recognition of Morata v Michy.

My mistake for saying what was in my head instead of wording it better.

Thought he was 6/10, got a nice touch to set up Willian but other than that he was the weak point in the attack. Willian/Hazard tried to set him up, he's either offside or a yard slow, had 1 decent shot, and wasted several clear cut chances to set up team mates. I'd still take a goal-shy Morata next game.

You are obviously aiming for a goalless draw for the next game then

Alvaro has zero confidence in his left foot, he's one footed. Which would be ok if his right foot was something special, try keeping up.

I noticed this too, Michy is two footed just lacking confidence

3 hours ago, wallosh said:

You are obviously aiming for a goalless draw for the next game then

You made it like Morata's career is over after a few bad games, he will start scoring soon, all the Chelsea strikers in the last 15 years had lengthy goal droughts, it is what it is.

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

You made it like Morata's career is over after a few bad games, he will start scoring soon, all the Chelsea strikers in the last 15 years had lengthy goal droughts, it is what it is.

He is at a critical point in his career. His price tag will ensure he is given plenty of time to lift his game.

But we are in unknown territory with Alvaro as we speak. He has never played this much in one season, and it's only January still, with the business end of the season looming. In boxing terms he's never been past round 4.

If he repeats this form until May, we will need to try and get RM to include Alvaro back to them in any deal for Hazard, at the price we paid for him.

Let's hope he can make that step up, not sure myself.

2 hours ago, coco said:

He is at a critical point in his career. His price tag will ensure he is given plenty of time to lift his game.

But we are in unknown territory with Alvaro as we speak. He has never played this much in one season, and it's only January still, with the business end of the season looming. In boxing terms he's never been past round 4.

If he repeats this form until May, we will need to try and get RM to include Alvaro back to them in any deal for Hazard, at the price we paid for him.

Let's hope he can make that step up, not sure myself.

Wouldn't be so negative about Morata, he's already proven to have great ability. 

His form lately has taken a big dive due to the Arsenal disaster, but the Arsenal game wasn't just a one-off he's been missing a lot of chances in front of goal all season. Besides that, he has been superb, despite the constant falling over so easily his hold up play has been good so far. He needs to adjust to this league and he needs to be more clinical in front of goal, he has big potential. 

People might disagree with me here but Alvaro's movement is twice as good as Diego Costa's. I can't tell you how many times Diego Costa did not connect with a cross, he was a very poor ariel threat for such a lethal striker. I remember Hazard playing in easy tap-ins from the byline almost every game and Costa was never anywhere near it. Morata is missing a lot of chances but he's also creating a lot of chances for himself. 

5 minutes ago, Slojo said:

Wouldn't be so negative about Morata, he's already proven to have great ability. 

His form lately has taken a big dive due to the Arsenal disaster, but the Arsenal game wasn't just a one-off he's been missing a lot of chances in front of goal all season. Besides that, he has been superb, despite the constant falling over so easily his hold up play has been good so far. He needs to adjust to this league and he needs to be more clinical in front of goal, he has big potential. 

People might disagree with me here but Alvaro's movement is twice as good as Diego Costa's. I can't tell you how many times Diego Costa did not connect with a cross, he was a very poor ariel threat for such a lethal striker. I remember Hazard playing in easy tap-ins from the byline almost every game and Costa was never anywhere near it. Morata is missing a lot of chances but he's also creating a lot of chances for himself. 

Fully agree with you regarding Morata's movement, its very good and i like his hold up play but he does complain abit too much. For some reason Costa didn't like the 6 yrd box and it was so frustrating, when he wasn't involved in the game or things was going bad he was obsessed with the left hand side of the pitch.

2 hours ago, coco said:

He is at a critical point in his career. His price tag will ensure he is given plenty of time to lift his game.

But we are in unknown territory with Alvaro as we speak. He has never played this much in one season, and it's only January still, with the business end of the season looming. In boxing terms he's never been past round 4.

If he repeats this form until May, we will need to try and get RM to include Alvaro back to them in any deal for Hazard, at the price we paid for him.

Let's hope he can make that step up, not sure myself.

Costa has been passed round 4 but never delivered  

1 minute ago, Ernie_blue said:

Fully agree with you regarding Morata's movement, its very good and i like his hold up play but he does complain abit too much. For some reason Costa didn't like the 6 yrd box and it was so frustrating, when he wasn't involved in the game or things was going bad he was obsessed with the left hand side of the pitch.

Costa would be that player who would barely get a sniff at goal but he would still score. 

But there were still chances created and Costa wasn't near them, he always cut back instead of going forward, Alvaro seems to gamble a lot better. The team was better last season and Alvaro has had a lot more chances than Costa had. 

His attitude on the pitch though is getting irritating, the constant complaining, the diving, the going down too easily, it's getting annoying and most of the time it isn't working so he needs to cut it out. Chris Sutton as much of a twat he is actually made some good points on Morata and an interesting insight, Morata has said since arriving at Chelsea that he's a deep thinker and he's always thinking about his time on the pitch. Which means he could dwell on things more than other players, it's probably why he's so hesitant in front of goal, that I find a bit worrying. But those attributes have definitely made him an intelligent player nonetheless. 

17 hours ago, Slojo said:

He needs to adjust to this league and he needs to be more clinical in front of goal, he has big potential. 

 

Don't understand this viewpoint people have. I can understand a very weak striker coming here and having to adjust by putting a bit of muscle on but not someone like Morata. He's had plenty of time and scenarios where he must realise being a little bitch isn't going to help in this league. His 'adjustment' shouldn't be taking this long. As for being clinical in front of goal, think this is a mental aspect. Once again, difficult to overcome. Especially if he's already 24 and shown no signs of improving that aspect. (Was the same at Juve and Real)

24 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Don't understand this viewpoint people have. I can understand a very weak striker coming here and having to adjust by putting a bit of muscle on but not someone like Morata. He's had plenty of time and scenarios where he must realise being a little bitch isn't going to help in this league. His 'adjustment' shouldn't be taking this long. As for being clinical in front of goal, think this is a mental aspect. Once again, difficult to overcome. Especially if he's already 24 and shown no signs of improving that aspect. (Was the same at Juve and Real)

It's just matter of works, for being clinical in front of goal, I think that will happen but, not this season more the next season.

Conte goes do him works hard in training for score more. 

Edited January 23, 20188 yr by Cyborg7

3 minutes ago, Cyborg7 said:

It's just matter of works, for being clinical in front of goal, I think that will happen but, not this season more the next season.

Conte goes do him works hard in training for score more. 

Literally can't understand a word of this.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Literally can't understand a word of this.

He needs to work on being more clinical in front of goal, he thinks it might not improve this season but more likely next. Conte needs to work hard on it in training. Wasn’t that difficult to decipher really. 

1 minute ago, Munkworth said:

He needs to work on being more clinical in front of goal, he thinks it might not improve this season but more likely next. Conte needs to work hard on it in training. Wasn’t that difficult to decipher really. 

Conte goes do him works hard in training for score more.

You honestly trying to say that ain't hard to decipher?

I was having a go at the bloke, just letting him know i couldn't respond as couldn't work out what he was saying. 

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Conte goes do him works hard in training for score more.

You honestly trying to say that ain't hard to decipher?

I was having a go at the bloke, just letting him know i couldn't respond as couldn't work out what he was saying. 

Well I worked it out and I’m not exactly the sharpest knife in the draw!

Just like I worked out your typo of was instead of wasn’t (I hope ). 

20 hours ago, coco said:

He is at a critical point in his career. His price tag will ensure he is given plenty of time to lift his game.

But we are in unknown territory with Alvaro as we speak. He has never played this much in one season, and it's only January still, with the business end of the season looming. In boxing terms he's never been past round 4.

If he repeats this form until May, we will need to try and get RM to include Alvaro back to them in any deal for Hazard, at the price we paid for him.

Let's hope he can make that step up, not sure myself.

Have to say Coco, quite shocked at this thought processes. Mostly because although we have never met Iv'e been reading you're posts along with a few that remain for close to two decades.. you have seen it all. Including drogba who was reffered to as championship level player by many. Maybe it's me that has the blinders on, who knows. I see a player that is an excellent footballer, has all the tools and comes up with big goals who is in a bad run of form. Does he need to stay on his feet a bit more? yes, same could have been said of a number of strikers we have had over the years.

7 minutes ago, barak81 said:

Have to say Coco, quite shocked at this thought processes. Mostly because although we have never met Iv'e been reading you're posts along with a few that remain for close to two decades.. you have seen it all. Including drogba who was reffered to as championship level player by many. Maybe it's me that has the blinders on, who knows. I see a player that is an excellent footballer, has all the tools and comes up with big goals who is in a bad run of form. Does he need to stay on his feet a bit more? yes, same could have been said of a number of strikers we have had over the years.

It's called the 'Torres syndrome' barak, Don't worry i haven't lost my marbles just yet. Like you say, we have seen it all before, and that's what worries me, i don't want us to be stuck with another expensive mistake.

So with Dzeko's signing looking more and more likely what do we reckon, will Michy be sent out on loan or will he stick around and see out the season, especially with Dzeko cup tied for the Champions League?

I think the Brighton game was Michy's best ever performance for us and really showed glimpses of just why we paid so much money for him. There's a good player in there somewhere and given Dzeko's age and Morata's questionable form and temperament (let's just say I don't expect him to be here beyond 3 years maximum) Michy could still get chances at Chelsea.  

3 minutes ago, ForeverCarefree said:

So with Dzeko's signing looking more and more likely what do we reckon, will Michy be sent out on loan or will he stick around and see out the season, especially with Dzeko cup tied for the Champions League?

I think the Brighton game was Michy's best ever performance for us and really showed glimpses of just why we paid so much money for him. There's a good player in there somewhere and given Dzeko's age and Morata's questionable form and temperament (let's just say I don't expect him to be here beyond 3 years maximum) Michy could still get chances at Chelsea.  

Let's say Morata get's injured for either Barca game I think Conte would opt for the three midgets up front anyway.  So it's a loan for sure and then who knows.

Certainly shouldn't get rid of Michy permanently. With Conte likely to leave come the end of the season i think Michy could really shine under a new manager. Natural goal scoring ability isn't something that can be taught and Michy is always in the right place.

4 hours ago, coco said:

It's called the 'Torres syndrome' barak, Don't worry i haven't lost my marbles just yet. Like you say, we have seen it all before, and that's what worries me, i don't want us to be stuck with another expensive mistake.

I think there are some key differences

1) Torres was establish in the PL, he didn't have the first season excuse

It's morata's first year

2) It was clear Torres has lost a yard of pace

Morata looks fine with the pace.. passes the eye test here. 

3) He wasn't getting involved in games, he went hiding. 

I don't think you can accuse Morata of hiding. 

Ultimately it's up to him, he has had success in the league but is going though a sticky patch, if he's the player we want him to be he will mentally get through it, if not then i guess he will be of back to spain. 

1 hour ago, barak81 said:

I think there are some key differences

1) Torres was establish in the PL, he didn't have the first season excuse

It's morata's first year

2) It was clear Torres has lost a yard of pace

Morata looks fine with the pace.. passes the eye test here. 

3) He wasn't getting involved in games, he went hiding. 

I don't think you can accuse Morata of hiding. 

Ultimately it's up to him, he has had success in the league but is going though a sticky patch, if he's the player we want him to be he will mentally get through it, if not then i guess he will be of back to spain. 

For Barak81, a refresher

 

 

Edited January 23, 20188 yr by strider6004

48 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

For Barak81, a refresher

 

 

In the same game, he scored a great lob as well and the reff gave 2 offside goals against us that cost us the game 3-2 if I remember correctly . 

 

Thats probably as well as he ever played in the top top games most of the time he was anonymous. 

42 minutes ago, barak81 said:

In the same game, he scored a great lob as well and the reff gave 2 offside goals against us that cost us the game 3-2 if I remember correctly . 

 

Thats probably as well as he ever played in the top top games most of the time he was anonymous. 

He was looking like finding form at the start of that season, scored the great goal at old Trafford, and then missed the open goal. Then the following week, scored a good goal against Swansea I think, but got sent off and banned for 3 games! 

Those 7 days sum up Torres' chelsea career. 

1 hour ago, barak81 said:

In the same game, he scored a great lob as well and the reff gave 2 offside goals against us that cost us the game 3-2 if I remember correctly . 

 

Thats probably as well as he ever played in the top top games most of the time he was anonymous. 

Funny thing with Torres is i remember that game at WHL in 2013 when he lost the ball for a Spurs goal, missed two one on one's and got sent off yet after that game was widely praised and unanimously voted as MOTM. Just further highlights the ridiculous double standards with him as Morata would get slaughtered for a similar profile game.