,..... apparently has got the Engerlund job.

It will worry a lot of other nations I think. A deep thinking coach with a track record of innovative tactics.

I can see Milner being played as a true number 10 in the Baggio mould.

Emile Heskey could come out of retirement. Rooney gets another ten years as Captain.

All is good. Business as usual for the F A

 

 

World Cup's in the bag imo

Here's what I wrote on another thread. It's more appropriate to put it in this thread instead.

For what it's worth, as a non-English, I think Allardyce will be a good manager for England in terms of achieving realistic expectations. His style isn't pretty, but it frustrates the hell out of opponents, and you only have to watch it a few times a year. People have complained that he isn't a winner, hasn't won anything, won't win anything for England.

I think that's true, England won't win anything with him in charge. I don't think they'd win anything with anyone in charge unless they get unusually lucky and pull a Greece 2004 or Portugal 2016.

Realistic goals for the English team are to beat teams they'd be expected to beat on paper, occasionally beat teams they're not expected to beat on paper, and put up a good fight in any games they lose. However far that takes them in a tournament will depend on the draw.

What I'm pretty sure Allardyce will not do: play players with a bad attitude, be biased toward big names and big teams, be an FA yes man.

Who do you see getting on/off the team under Allardyce? I can see Carroll getting a shot. Noble and Shawcross perhaps? I think Wilshere will be dropped but don't have a sense of who else will be. I'm very curious what he'll do with Rooney.

I think Gary will keep his spot, deservedly so. He's been in JT's shadow and has been underrated as a result. He also strikes me as having a good attitude.

,..... apparently has got the Engerlund job.

It will worry a lot of other nations I think. A deep thinking coach with a track record of innovative tactics.

I can see Milner being played as a true number 10 in the Baggio mould.

Emile Heskey could come out of retirement. Rooney gets another ten years as Captain.

All is good. Business as usual for the F A

There is so much wrong with this post I don't know were to start.

Allardyce is the only English manager that has actually evolved with the times, in fact he introduced sport science and prozone to the English game, and also was one of the first managers to use video analysis, his forward thinking nearly got a £10m Bolton squad into the Champions League.

Big Sam, also unlike the rest of the English manager's, plays to his team's strengths, which varys in particular times, he has had teams playing good football, but equally is unapologetic about mixing it If need be.

One example was his last season at West Ham, his team lead by Sakho and Valencia were playing great football, some of the best in the league, but one game vs Hull it wasn't working, 0-0 half time and Hull totally snuffed out the passing game, so second half route one, 3-0, thank you very much.

Also with Sam you can guarantee players will be picked on form and only form, which has been missing for quite some time.

This is a fantastic appointment by the FA, and now I'm hopeful we might get somewhere, do you remember most our games vs Big Sam down the years? Almost all off them have been hard battles and fair few times we came unstuck, it happened as recently as May.

Will England win either World Cup or Euros anytime soon? Probably not, but what I will guarantee is whenever England get eliminated under Sam we will go down kicking and screaming, not the beyond humiating ways we have been kicked out of four of the last five tournaments (I'm including the Euro 2008 qualifayers in that).

I want to thank the FA for not pursuing Herr Jurgen Klinsmann any further. I like the fact that Yanks have done better than England in the last couple of World Cups & it shall continue to be the case as well. Cheers England

Edited July 21, 20168 yr by robdog

Good choice (fwiw). Sam will get the players playing to a clear system and he'll know who he wants to play. I don't think he'll play players just on reputation either. We'll perhaps not have the smooth performance in qualifying for competitions but when we get there we'll do much better I hope.

Not a big sam fan tbh. He did gery well with bolton but never won anything, and since he left there i dont think he has over acheived at any club hes been at. Usually his biggest strenthg is in his transfers, which wont be the case.

There isnt much else out there unfortunately, bit i have zero faith in us improving much under big sam.

Nice guy though so im hoping im wrong.

It's hilarious that it's come to this. Sam Allardyce, England manager. Funnily enough, he is exactly who we need right now. 

 

Roy was a nice man but tactically inept and really had no idea what to do with the players at his disposal.

 

Some good old fashioned gumption is needed, and I think Big Sam will take this group of players further in the World Cup than we have ever got in the last 10 years. 

Fat Sam's finest hour:

 

Quite happy with this to be honest. He comes across as a bit "no nonsense" which should help to change the attitude of some of the primadonnas we currently have!

 

I think too he will pick people based on form rather than reputation so that in itself could be the motivation for players to buck their ideas up.

Sam could have managed Madrid!

At the Euros England were yet again physically and competitively outfought at a major tournament. Hopefully Allardyce can instill a style of play that allows us to overperform as underdogs.

Edited July 21, 20168 yr by the special one

Lofty, I read a pretty funny article about that game a while back:

 

http://www.cfcnet.co.uk/2007/01/chelsea-4-3-bolton-wanderers

Who do you see getting on/off the team under Allardyce?

 

If Wales and Iceland's performance at the Euros is anything go by we don't need to mould a team based around the 'highest paid' so I can see the likes of Charlie Daniels, Andrew Surman, Michail Antonio getting a shot... perhaps George Thorne and Michael Keane?

Edited July 21, 20168 yr by the special one

Drinkwater will be a shoe in

I wish him all the very best.

Drinkwater will be a shoe in

 

Deserves it.

The England U19s are currently 2-0 down to Italy in the Euro U19 Semi Final. Italy have just had a goal disallowed.

Just realised this tournament taking place!

I have lost faith in England to be honest. It doesn't matter who is bought in, we will still see the same mistakes repeated.

The England U19s are currently 2-0 down to Italy in the Euro U19 Semi Final. Italy have just had a goal disallowed.

Just realised this tournament taking place!

The free kick for their second was very very harsh. Missed the pen decision in the 1st half. England looked the better side tbh. Just didnt take their chances.

Some good old fashioned gumption is needed, and I think Big Sam will take this group of players further in the World Cup than we have ever got in the last 10 years.

I think people should look more at the qualitative showing than they currently do, instead of focusing only on progression in a tournament.

A basic summary of the 2010 World Cup appears similar to 2016: second place in the group, went out in the round of 16.

There was a world of difference qualitatively, however, despite the same results on paper. In 2010 England went out to Germany in a game that could have turned out very differently if not for referee incompetence so shocking that it led to the widespread implementation of goal line technology.

In contrast, in 2016 England went out to Iceland with a performance that would have lost to a League Two side.

Under Big Sam England may not get any further depending on the draw and other factors outside their control. If they are drawn into a group of death, maybe they'll go out at the group stage. If they make it out of the group, the round of 16 at the World Cup is a brutal cut, and the quarterfinals just as bad if not more so.

But hopefully if/when they go out they'll do it having given everything for the cause.

I hope the nation will be prouder of them if they go out at the group stage against Germany, France, and Argentina showing the passion that the United States did against Belgium at the last World Cup for example, than going out in the knockout stage with a pathetic performance against Iceland.

I actually quite like Allardyce. He's a capable manager and a bit underrated if anything. Moyes used to get tons of plaudits for the job he did at Everton yet Allardyce had Bolton, historically a smaller and less wealthy club, punching well above their weight (top 8 four years running). Look how Bolton have plummetted since he left.

 

Will he win us the World Cup? I doubt it. But then Pep Guardiola wouldn't win us the World Cup either. I reckon he'll do a decent job though. He might even get us to beat Iceland.

The only suitable candidate for the job at present. Sam at least has the passion we demand from the national team boss and I fully expect to see the team he sends out busting a gut for us. Time will tell if his no nonsense approach will work on the international scene, can he do any worse than his predecessor? So he gets my vote, as for hiring a German for the job, absolutely no way.

Fat Sam's finest hour:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ZOl3v49R0

I was at that game. Eclipsed only by the League Cup turnaround at Hillsborough. I was at that one too.

As for Big fat Sam I am not inspired by the choice. But as others have pointed out who else is there that is actually any good and wants the job?

He will go up in my estimation somewhat if he takes the Captaincy off Rooney. And if he has the balls to tell him his international days are over he will be making a decent start before a ball is kicked.

Not holding my breath though.

Edited July 21, 20168 yr by just

Is there really any need to call him  ' Big Fat Sam '    What's that all about ? 

 

I get the FSW tag for you know who because I think it's widely accepted by most Chelsea fans he was reviled and disliked by the majority of us and with good reason, but come on. I think Mr Allardyce deserves a bit more respect.

 

I find it hard to disagree with some of the current thinking that Sam Allardyce is an almost perfect fit for where England are right now as an International team. Mid table at best, quite possibly bordering on relegation fodder or worse still, a league below. Allardyce is a Manager who has been in charge of teams at a similar level for a good many years now, and his overall record at that level is not too bad at all. I doubt very much a team under him would collapse so pathetically as we did against Iceland.

 

If not Allardyce, then who were the options ?  Some of the best Managers/ Coaches in the world are either already in, or just about to begin their new jobs in the Premier League this season, that's immediately ruled them out.  Eddie Howe ?  Give the guy a break, he is just embarking on his very promising career and it's far too early for him to risk wrecking it by taking on a seemingly thankless job.

 

I really can't see who else might be better suited to the job to be honest.  Good luck Sam, you are going to need it.