On 3/28/2017 at 06:09, Kinkladze1871 said:

I know this a Chelsea rumors forum but given he's linked with Barca/Real/City/United/Chelsea, I thought i'd make this to debate what you gals/guys think he's worth and would it be worth the punt for your club?

We bought Gabriel Jesus for £27 mill and while he's shown flashes of brilliance, You could argue Mbappe might be better however given the price range being thrown out there, £60/70 mill, Would he be worth the money? Imagine paying that kind of money for Rashford after his brilliant start last year? If you had a choice of spunking £60 mil on Mbappe on one season's heroics or £80/90 mill on Kane/Lukaku, Which one of those options would you choose? It's a tough one for me since Mbappe could easily be a future ballon d'or winner and that £60 mil will be nothing, Whereas Lukaku/Kane are consistently scoring 20/25 goals a season however i don't see them having that high of a ceiling as Mbappe possibly could. If Costa goes to China, Which way would you lean?

 

Good question. Ideally , I would prefer Gabriel Jesus @ 27 million than Mbap or Lukaku or Kane. However, sine that is not an option, I would like Kane. English, Physical, Team player and we take a good player away from Spurs :D. But unfortunately we are linked with Lukaku which by no means is a bad thing but considering how much transfer money he is being linked with I feel like there should be better options.

 

 

On 3/31/2017 at 01:26, Jackbuchanan said:

Agreed. If we want Conte and our best players to stay we need to show our ambitions of getting to the level of Madrid, Barca and Bayern. We wont get there by selling them our best players. 

Exactly, we're aiming to be a top club not another Arsenal

5 hours ago, brownindian said:

 

Good question. Ideally , I would prefer Gabriel Jesus @ 27 million than Mbap or Lukaku or Kane. However, sine that is not an option, I would like Kane. English, Physical, Team player and we take a good player away from Spurs :D. But unfortunately we are linked with Lukaku which by no means is a bad thing but considering how much transfer money he is being linked with I feel like there should be better options.

 

 

They didn't sell Modric to us, what makes you think they'd sell their golden jewel Kane? You're in fantasy land here mate.

5 hours ago, Xfaxtor said:

 

That's a picture from when he was on trial for Chelsea, apparently. Thank God we didn't sign the lad. He wouldn't be half the player he is right now. He'd be on loan somewhere in the Championship or at Vitesse.

On 4/14/2017 at 15:03, Barrettinator said:

They didn't sell Modric to us, what makes you think they'd sell their golden jewel Kane? You're in fantasy land here mate.

 

Oh they are not. I still cant believe that they sold Modric To Real Madrid for 10 million less than Chelsea's offer.  I think the biggest issue with the Modric fiasco was that he was not willing to force his way out, Dunno if he had more years tied to his contract. Berbatov managed to force his way to Manchester United. Levi was not willing to sell him either but Berba had an attitude change and the negativity was reflecting in his training and his hands were forced, based on media rumors. 

My point was that for the amount of Money that Mbappe is rumored to command, I would put that bid for Kane or Lukakau, not that our bids will be successful.

2 hours ago, brownindian said:

 

Oh they are not. I still cant believe that they sold Modric To Real Madrid for 10 million less than Chelsea's offer.  I think the biggest issue with the Modric fiasco was that he was not willing to force his way out, Dunno if he had more years tied to his contract. Berbatov managed to force his way to Manchester United. Levi was not willing to sell him either but Berba had an attitude change and the negativity was reflecting in his training and his hands were forced, based on media rumors. 

My point was that for the amount of Money that Mbappe is rumored to command, I would put that bid for Kane or Lukakau, not that our bids will be successful.

Our bid definitely won't be successful. It would be rejected within 2 minutes. United tried to get Bale off them, even offering more than Madrid offered but they chose to sell him to Madrid. Levy would rather stick a fork in his eye than sell to a top Premier League team. I think Berbatov was the last straw for him. Which is fine. It's not like they've got Messi on their team. There are players as good and even better on other teams. 

16 hours ago, Barrettinator said:

Our bid definitely won't be successful. It would be rejected within 2 minutes. United tried to get Bale off them, even offering more than Madrid offered but they chose to sell him to Madrid. Levy would rather stick a fork in his eye than sell to a top Premier League team. I think Berbatov was the last straw for him. Which is fine. It's not like they've got Messi on their team. There are players as good and even better on other teams. 

Cant disagree with that for sure.

On 28/03/2017 at 11:09, Kinkladze1871 said:

I know this a Chelsea rumors forum but given he's linked with Barca/Real/City/United/Chelsea, I thought i'd make this to debate what you gals/guys think he's worth and would it be worth the punt for your club?

We bought Gabriel Jesus for £27 mill and while he's shown flashes of brilliance, You could argue Mbappe might be better however given the price range being thrown out there, £60/70 mill, Would he be worth the money? Imagine paying that kind of money for Rashford after his brilliant start last year? If you had a choice of spunking £60 mil on Mbappe on one season's heroics or £80/90 mill on Kane/Lukaku, Which one of those options would you choose? It's a tough one for me since Mbappe could easily be a future ballon d'or winner and that £60 mil will be nothing, Whereas Lukaku/Kane are consistently scoring 20/25 goals a season however i don't see them having that high of a ceiling as Mbappe possibly could. If Costa goes to China, Which way would you lean?

Mbappe is the striker I would go for. Would be very happy with Sane too, if Pep would like to do business?

I started a thread on Rashford in this forum pre-season and though he has lot of developing to do I think he has all tools to be a Superstar. 

On 13/04/2017 at 09:39, Chelsbear said:

It's not fear it's just being realistic.

Man U are not a selling club but they lost their best player to them

Barcelona are not a selling club but they lost Figo to them

Juve at the time were not a selling club but Zidane went to them

It's not really about being a selling club but the fact Madrid have a strong hold over foreign players because they are the biggest club in world football and most players can only dream of ever playing for them. Usually more often than not when Madrid target someone they really want them get them no matter what club they are at, history shows this time after time.  

Vieira, Ashley Cole and De Gea are three major examples on the contrary 

De Gea was done but paperwork messed it up.......

That's why I said more often than not if you actually read the comment

Edited April 17, 20179 yr by Chelsbear

5 hours ago, Chelsbear said:

De Gea was done but paperwork messed it up.......

That's why I said more often than not if you actually read the comment

If you really believed the paper work/fax machine randomly messed up between two clubs as huge as United and Madrid in this age of the internet where it can be sent via email/pdf, then you're quite naive my friend. It was a deliberate sabotage by Woodward, make no mistake about it.

2 hours ago, Barrettinator said:

If you really believed the paper work/fax machine randomly messed up between two clubs as huge as United and Madrid in this age of the internet where it can be sent via email/pdf, then you're quite naive my friend. It was a deliberate sabotage by Woodward, make no mistake about it.

FIFA TMS, not fax machines: how the "transfer paperwork" actually gets done

http://www.reevaldo.com/story/fifa-tms-how-transfer-paperwork-gets-done

21 hours ago, kiwi1691 said:

FIFA TMS, not fax machines: how the "transfer paperwork" actually gets done

http://www.reevaldo.com/story/fifa-tms-how-transfer-paperwork-gets-done

Yes, you're right. But it was still a delebrate sabotage from United and Woodward. Read Madrid's statement on the issue.

 

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The statement read: "After what happened yesterday in relation to the intent to sign the player David De Gea, Real Madrid wants to specify:

"1. Manchester United didn't open any negotiations for federation rights over David De Gea until yesterday morning.

"2. Real Madrid, despite the difficulties regarding entering into an operation of this kind on the last day of the transfer window, Real Madrid agreed to start these conversations.

"3. When Manchester United opened this negotiation yesterday morning they did so with the plan to reach an agreement with Real Madrid player Keylor Navas so that he would join the British club this season and said that they are in contact with the player's representative. 

"4. Real Madrid and Manchester United reached a quick agreement over the transfers of both players. After drafting the corresponding contractual documents with the goal of proceeding within the time frame of both the TMS of FIFA as well as La Liga, Real Madrid sent the contracts to Manchester United at 13:39 Spanish time.

"5. Manchester United replies with its comments eight hours later at 21:43 Spanish time, including small modifications. Because they were not major, all were immediately accepted by Real Madrid with the intention to register the player in both TMS and the Liga in time.

"6. Real Madrid, after getting the signatures of both De Gea and Keylor Navas, remitted the papers to the English club with the contracts signed at 23:32 Spanish time, and waited to receive the signed documents from Manchester United.

"7. Manchester United reached a final agreement with Keylor Navas' representative at 23:53 Spain time and it was at that time that the documents were remitted to player to be signed.

"8. Manchester United put the data regarding the David De Gea transfer into the TMS but not that of Keylor Navas at 00:00 Spanish time, while remitting to Real Madrid the signed transfer contracts at the same time. Real Madrid received that complete documentation at 00:02 and tried to access TMS but it was already shut down.

"9. At 00:26 Spain time, FIFA's TMS system invited Real Madrid to add the information about the player David De Gea due to the fact that England's transfer window remained open until today. Real Madrid, realising the eventuality of a contentious run for the player's transfer, decides to remit the contracts to La Liga, even knowing that the window for the deal had closed.

"10. Definitely, Real Madrid did everything that was necessary at all times to get these two transfers completed."

 

It's just one season, hopefully his career won't go the Anthony Martial route.

this is the one, absolutely.

whilst i don't think we'll get him (reckon real are favorites, as the always are), if we at least don't try i'll be pretty disappointed.

 

twice in a row he's been the best player on the pitch in the quarter finals of the champions league (at 19!!!), arguably four games in a row if you count the city game.

never have i ever seen a faster player, and he manages to bring the ball with him, holding it up if thats required.

the qualities mbappe brings to the table is what's going to win trophies in the future, raw pace and power.

 

i really don't think the premier league defenders are equipped to deal with an athlete-football crossover like mbappe, and he already thrashes europe, so please, at least give it a go and try to get the guy!

He's a superstar.

Boys got everything and will only get better, I'd spend HUGE if the funds were there. 

i dunno he looks very talented, but i'm unsure it's not too early for him to be considered as anything special yet. he's only 18 for christ sake, he should be given time to develop at monaco. i never understand the rush to place pressure on a kid who looks good. 

11 hours ago, enigma said:

i dunno he looks very talented, but i'm unsure it's not too early for him to be considered as anything special yet. he's only 18 for christ sake, he should be given time to develop at monaco. i never understand the rush to place pressure on a kid who looks good. 

Because the fight for top players between the top clubs in so competitive you have to get them early. Man City went big on Sane and Jesus and it looks like a gamble paid off but both really young. If city didn't sign them early and waited i expect Bayern Munich or Real Madrid would of got them before them.

1 hour ago, jack_super_class said:

Because the fight for top players between the top clubs in so competitive you have to get them early. Man City went big on Sane and Jesus and it looks like a gamble paid off but both really young. If city didn't sign them early and waited i expect Bayern Munich or Real Madrid would of got them before them.

This is a good point. You pay top dollar for potential alone nowadays. There was a time when you could let a promising player go to a mid level club, wait to see if he developed, then get him in for a decent price and ready contribute. 

Now you have to snap them up at 19, 20 or risk having to pay huge sums in a couple of years time. 

Mbappe's rise has been so quick, I think the opportunity for him to come here has already passed, as I can't see us stumping up the amount required to bring him here, especially with real, and barca, now circling. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely. 

We possibly missed a trick with dembele though, dortmund would probably triple the £27m they paid for him last summer. 

2 hours ago, big blue said:

This is a good point. You pay top dollar for potential alone nowadays. There was a time when you could let a promising player go to a mid level club, wait to see if he developed, then get him in for a decent price and ready contribute. 

Now you have to snap them up at 19, 20 or risk having to pay huge sums in a couple of years time. 

Mbappe's rise has been so quick, I think the opportunity for him to come here has already passed, as I can't see us stumping up the amount required to bring him here, especially with real, and barca, now circling. Not impossible, but extremely unlikely. 

We possibly missed a trick with dembele though, dortmund would probably triple the £27m they paid for him last summer. 

Thomas Lemar looks like a great prospect who's somewhat going under the radar with this impressive Monaco team.

Why the hell none of us heard of this bunch of talented Monaco players 12 months ago? I bet we could have signed any of these players for 1/2 of the price back then.

It's really crazy to see the progress they have made in such short amount of time.

8 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Why the hell none of us heard of this bunch of talented Monaco players 12 months ago? I bet we could have signed any of these players for 1/2 of the price back then.

It's really crazy to see the progress they have made in such short amount of time.

We could have, but they probably wouldn't be this great if we did 

On 20/04/2017 at 09:00, enigma said:

i dunno he looks very talented, but i'm unsure it's not too early for him to be considered as anything special yet. he's only 18 for christ sake, he should be given time to develop at monaco. i never understand the rush to place pressure on a kid who looks good. 

It's because he is doing it on the biggest stage in football, it's the competition where the top players of the game make a name for themselves. He's taking on the best of Europe, scoring goals against them and looking like the best player on the pitch at the same time. It's not like Sterling who is classed as a future superstar for performing well against mid table Premier League teams.

Edited April 22, 20179 yr by Scott Harris

On 21/04/2017 at 10:09, icecoolguy22 said:

Why the hell none of us heard of this bunch of talented Monaco players 12 months ago? I bet we could have signed any of these players for 1/2 of the price back then.

It's really crazy to see the progress they have made in such short amount of time.

Chances are Chelsea's scouts probably have, but now these kids are doing it in public view.

This Monaco team will be like Ajax squads of the past, ripe with young talent for the picking, but we need to ensure that we target the next Frank Rjikaard or Wesley Sneijder as opposed to settling for a functional but mediocre player like Edgar Davids or Daniel De Ridder.

I wouldn't call edgar davids mediocre. He was part of an outstanding juve team for 5/6years, which was one of the best teams in Europe.  

I agree with your point in general though.