Perhaps Conte is staying ???

1 hour ago, mclovin83 said:

It's funny that you put the success of a formation (which was used with success for the majority of a season) down to the element of surprise.

The formation didn't burst out of a cake at kick off and catch everyone off guard, and it wasn't the first time the world has come across it when we started using it. It's a formation, and it's really not that insane that Managers and players need a year to come to terms with it.

I think it clearly worked in Conte's first season, not so much last season. I think he should have switched it up, like he originally did when he introduced it. 

I think there were many factors that contributed to the difference in success, but the "surprise factor" wouldn't be top of my list. 

Nowhere did I mention this. I said it wasn't widely used in England. Not that it popped into existence out of nowhere. All Wenger had to do was match the system like for like and Conte was dumb-founded and the 3-1 win at the Bridge was the last time he beat Arsenal. The rest followed suit and that's why Conte struggled 2nd season. 

Edit: Not saying it's only his fault as I'm aware he lackd adequate players. 

Edited July 9, 20188 yr by zes

the fact that conte is taking training means nothing... he has to continue fulfilling his obligations if he wants the sevrance package in full. Reports are that Sarri saga is almost finished and as soon as Sarri is finalized, Conte will get the sack (not the first time he will have left a club during preseason preparations)...

 

Just hope the rumors that we hijacked jorginho deal are true 🤞🏻

 

1 hour ago, Argo said:

Tunisia I think are ranked top 20 in the world or just short off, gave Spain and Portugal tough examinations in the run up to Russia and every man and his dog were fearing they would frustrate us but despite needing a last minute winner ultimately we were by far the better side. Yes Panama ill grant you are a bit sh*t but they held Belgium for a half and in the same period England went 5 up, being 5 up at half time is excellent regardless of the opposition.

Columbia lit up the last world cup and granted James was not playing but they still had a bloody good side who you could argue are the best of the rest outside of the top nations. As for Sweden, very much workman like but England's record against them is about as good as Tottenham's record against us and that could have turned into a problem mentally if we weren't careful.

I'm far from the most passionate when it comes to the National side (club over country all day) but it cannot in any way possible be argued that we have made no progress this world cup, bar us doing a Brazil 2014 in the semi/3rd place play off/final we will leave this tournament genuinely content about the progress and direction the team are heading in, probably for the first time since the 90's.

I did praise England in my previous post replying to someone else. Previous years we would have lost to the likes of Tunisia and Panama. I am just being realistic and saying it as it is. Tunisia and Sweden are teams we are expected to beat imo. 

Colombia had to go to penalties so when we did come up against a decent side it was a struggle. Penalties are 50/50 so luck was with England for once. France and Belgium are the teams to beat and if England manage to do that then hats off to them. 

Again sides like Tunisia and Sweden seem to be better than they are because they came up against a poor Spain and Portugal. Portugal especially were painful to watch Ronaldo aside. A lot of big teams underperformed rather than the smaller sides over-achieving. 

Edited July 9, 20188 yr by zes

4 minutes ago, CFC_montreal said:

the fact that conte is taking training means nothing... he has to continue fulfilling his obligations if he wants the sevrance package in full.

Or maybe he is just doing his job

1 hour ago, charierre said:

Not sure why the world cup has ended up in this thread. It should be remembered though you are talking about a World Cup hence the nations from weaker federations are taking their rightful place in the competition. These weaker teams have over the years gained strength from playing in the competition, there are no longer any mugs that qualify these days. I do though agree with your point of further increasing the numbers will at its inauguration dilute the quality.

As for the England team, you can only beat what is put in front of you. In reaching the semi's most would accept we have over achieved given the squad Southgate has at his disposal. The world cup has always had matches of differing quality, I go back to 1970 as an avid viewer,'66 was slightly too soon. There have always been hard luck stories, teams that failed to perform but eventually one team will be crowned rightfully as champions, it could be England. A quick glance at tournaments in the past will show that Brazil in 94 only beat Netherlands on the way to the final and Italy similarly only beat the Germans in 2006. If you haven't enjoyed the tournament fair play to you, I would say though you are in a minority.  

Someone brought up England using 3-5-2 as an example of the formation working being successful. I think we can't make a judgement on that yet until England come up against a better team like Belgium or France. This side deserves more praise than the golden generation but my original point was regarding the formation. 

Edited July 9, 20188 yr by zes

16 minutes ago, Stim said:

Or maybe he is just doing his job

yes.... doing his job in order to be able to receive the sevrance once he's sacked. The fact that we are in negotiations at the moment with De Laurentis to release sarri is a known fact, and if it's a known fact for us, how much more so for Conte who is in the middle of all of it...

On 06/07/2018 at 18:52, Sindre said:

Yeah so why blame the fans for wanting new faces when things have gone stale with the old one?

I agree with you, fans shouldn't be blamed for wanting a new manager in... It's a strategy that's brought us great success these past 15 years

You see Belgium - Brasil?

No one noticed the 5 3 2 formation of perfect defensive football in which Hazard sparkle as a genius?

With Belgium they had 5-2-3, Hazard was sharing the attacking play.

11 minutes ago, U Carcamagnu said:

You see Belgium - Brasil?

No one noticed the 5 3 2 formation of perfect defensive football in which Hazard sparkle as a genius?

The perfect defensive football that saw Brazil rip Belgium apart in the second half creating loads of chances?

11 minutes ago, U Carcamagnu said:

You see Belgium - Brasil?

No one noticed the 5 3 2 formation of perfect defensive football in which Hazard sparkle as a genius?

Nope. It was a 4-3-3 for most of the match. And sometimes a 4-3-2-1. They only switched to 5-3-2/3-5-2 in little spurts of the match. That was the whole point of bringing Fellaini in alongside Witsel. To push De Bruyne further forward.

19 minutes ago, U Carcamagnu said:

You see Belgium - Brasil?

No one noticed the 5 3 2 formation of perfect defensive football in which Hazard sparkle as a genius?

To be fair, Belgium relying on a bit of fortune the last two games. A dreadful double headed own goal from Brazilian players, and then the flukey goal against Japan. Belgium are a good side, but let's not act like they've not had the rub of the green to get through to this stage. This is a Belgium side full of top class talent too, so they shouldn't need to rely on fluke goals. 

This off-season has just been delightful.

10 minutes ago, enigma said:

To be fair, Belgium relying on a bit of fortune the last two games. A dreadful double headed own goal from Brazilian players, and then the flukey goal against Japan. Belgium are a good side, but let's not act like they've not had the rub of the green to get through to this stage. This is a Belgium side full of top class talent too, so they shouldn't need to rely on fluke goals. 

I don't remember any WC winner in my lifetime that didn't have their fair share of luck. You almost never win the WC without some luck.

Edited July 9, 20188 yr by Barrettinator

WC talk 

Sarri talk 

6 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

If you honestly don't think a person would stay in a job for money because they're already a millionaire you're deluded. Conte walked from other jobs when he had another job to walk in to. If he walked from Chelsea where would he go? Of course he's staying around for the money, why wouldn't he? 

He found another job sure but he didn't have a team waiting in the wings to run to at Bari and he quit Juve abruptly and had nowhere to go until Prandelli resigned from Italy.

I think it's a fair point to say the guy has all the money he needs at this point after three decades in football and he's not exactly a flash guy who is out there buying yachts and Lambos for every day of the week. 

It’s coming soon for sarri + jorginho. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5934579/Antonio-Conte-takes-charge-Chelsea-pre-season-training-despite-doubts-future-manager.html

Well I made a post about us always doing things last minute more so around players than manager's but I guess we are now doing it for manager's too.

1 hour ago, TheChelsRVA said:

It’s coming soon for sarri + jorginho. 

In our dreams.

9 minutes ago, BordeauxBlue said:

In our dreams.

dreams sometimes come true ..especially at chelsea following crap seasons, our chelsea supporter dreams tend to come true so keep the faith!

“Sarri due in London on Wednesday. 

De Laurentiis was annoyed by the leaks about Sarri targeting Napoli players. Explains why Chelsea haven’t informed any of their usual journalists since. De Laurentiis wants to control the media/narrative on his terms.”

Also, Jorginho’s wife posted a photo which is heading to a London. 

Happening?

1 minute ago, JM7 said:

“Sarri due in London on Wednesday. 

De Laurentiis was annoyed by the leaks about Sarri targeting Napoli players. Explains why Chelsea haven’t informed any of their usual journalists since. De Laurentiis wants to control the media/narrative on his terms.”

Also, Jorginho’s wife posted a photo which is heading to a London. 

Happening?

The Chelsea reddit page is all over this story.  Many tweets and news outlets to corroborate.  

 

But like with all things...we will never know until things are announced.  Sarri has been "happening" for over a month...