Please get rid of this nonsense asap.

5 hours ago, haviet1 said:

 

I am extremely confused by this every time I hear/see it.

Please help us understand his commercial value to Chelsea, with real data.

It's not like they're selling 1,000 Pulisic Chelsea jersey in the USA every day. Heck, I don't think they even sell that much in a freakin' year.

He's a wide forward, CFC bought him as a wide forward/winger, not a CF or WB. He's played those positions out of necessity. Judge him as a forward, if he stink as a wide forward/winger so be it. He seems to flourished under Lampard's sytem, but TT's system might not be the best fit for him. 

 

 

Spot on! The system doesn’t work for him, & the bulk of the forward line. The average Chelsea fan wants the club to get rid of most of the forward line, it doesn’t work that way. You can’t just get rid of all of them at a loss because they don’t fit into a system. 
You sell him to a Klopp, Pep or even an Arteta, and he becomes a different player. The manager has to figure out a way to polish these turds in his “system”.

6 hours ago, haviet1 said:

 

It will be a miracle if CFC have enough bodies to start against Liverpool. There, I fixed it for you.

Are you Christian's advocate?

8 hours ago, haviet1 said:

 

I am extremely confused by this every time I hear/see it.

Please help us understand his commercial value to Chelsea, with real data.

Look at this topic thread as an example. Americans showing interest in Chelsea purely because Pulisic plays for us.

They're watching our games, buying our merchandise just because he's at Chelsea. That level of increased brand awareness all from one player? 

You don't think his off pitch value would be a consideration in any decisions about his future? Of course it is, he's one of our most marketable players we have.

Let's not forget that we were on the brink of signing Yoshinori Muto a few years back purely for commercial reasons (as admitted by Mourinho) as part of the Yokohama Tires sponsorship.

I don't have a problem with a footballer taking on a man but captain america seems to do it and succeed 100% of the time with his objective of drawing/winning a foul even when there were passing lanes which proved better options, thereby breaking our momentum. 

I've been saying it now for almost three seasons and fully convinced now at Chelsea, we have more of an intelligence than talent issue. 

Peps teams have always had good players but generally if you strip away all that quality we see basic things done excellently ie passing and movement. 

Look at Thiago Silva as an example, he does the simple things like passing and movement very well hence excels as a footballer. 

LOL...100% of the time, for the little pitch time he has seen, he still has quite a few assists.  So you statement of 100% of the time kinda rings false.  When players take on someone and actually press through and score we call them brilliant...if they don't they are killing momentum.  Standing around passing the ball in a circle is not momentum.  Players with the ball on their feet are faced with decisions, and yeah they don't always pick the best one.  I agree Tiago is a great footballer.  He is just solid and rarely makes mistakes that hurt his team.

I don't think he has been terrible, has got us the odd goal or penalty. Take away the injuries and probably every other match he gets an assist or goal.

Although he is good a dribbling trying to do it against 2 or three defenders does not work and he often finds himself in a cul-de-sac and losing possession or gets fouled. 

6 league appearances, 2 goals and at least one assist or penalty won.

The issue we have is very few of our supporting forwards are playing well, with Mount probably edging it  yet even he is making the wrong decision at times.

 

3 hours ago, strider6004 said:

I don't think he has been terrible, has got us the odd goal or penalty. Take away the injuries and probably every other match he gets an assist or goal.

Although he is good a dribbling trying to do it against 2 or three defenders does not work and he often finds himself in a cul-de-sac and losing possession or gets fouled. 

6 league appearances, 2 goals and at least one assist or penalty won.

The issue we have is very few of our supporting forwards are playing well, with Mount probably edging it  yet even he is making the wrong decision at times.

 

This is a key to what I’m seeing.  But to me it seems like he is playing out of position and i for the life of me can’t understand what Tuechel is trying to do with him.  Why doesn’t he play LWB yesterday instead of James?  James has excelled at RWB.

The back 3 without wingers doesn’t suit CPs game.  That is obvious.

I’m an American who started rooting for CFC because of CP.  but I’m in.  I watch a lot of Chelsea games.  And will continue to support if and when he leaves.

To me it is pretty hard to argue that CFC wins the CL without CP, because they probably don’t qualify and/or lose to Madrid.  But his time here might be up if TT stays with a back 3 exclusively.

 

right now it’s not working though.  I’m not enough of a tactician to know what teams do, but with the recent struggles, it seems TT might need to mix up formations, but I’ve said many times it’s hard to argue his record.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, DumbYank said:

This is a key to what I’m seeing.  But to me it seems like he is playing out of position and i for the life of me can’t understand what Tuechel is trying to do with him.  Why doesn’t he play LWB yesterday instead of James?  James has excelled at RWB.

The back 3 without wingers doesn’t suit CPs game.  That is obvious.

I’m an American who started rooting for CFC because of CP.  but I’m in.  I watch a lot of Chelsea games.  And will continue to support if and when he leaves.

To me it is pretty hard to argue that CFC wins the CL without CP, because they probably don’t qualify and/or lose to Madrid.  But his time here might be up if TT stays with a back 3 exclusively.

 

right now it’s not working though.  I’m not enough of a tactician to know what teams do, but with the recent struggles, it seems TT might need to mix up formations, but I’ve said many times it’s hard to argue his record.

 

 

 

I can only think he felt it was unfair to put CP up against Lamptey. It was tough enough for him to play out of position at wingback, and to expose him to the very quick and skilful Lamptey could have been a disaster.

No idea why he didn't go with CHO at RWB and play CP in the front three.

31 minutes ago, Backbiter said:

I can only think he felt it was unfair to put CP up against Lamptey. It was tough enough for him to play out of position at wingback, and to expose him to the very quick and skilful Lamptey could have been a disaster.

No idea why he didn't go with CHO at RWB and play CP in the front three.

Makes sense.  That Lamptey was dangerous looking.

15 hours ago, haviet1 said:

Not here to defend Pulisic, but as much as you might dislike him you still have to admit he put in a good shift today and worked very hard for the team.

Agreed that once the full squad is healthy, we'll see him on the bench fighting for a spot as an attacking wide forward.

 

He's anything but disliked. He got a years worth of patience through his poor performances even by me.

Compare that to how Callum is jumped on for a poor game while a) recovering from Covid and b) despite it being 72 hours after a genuine match winning performance at Villa Park (when Pulisic does similar it buys him months of good grace).

32 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's anything but disliked. He got a years worth of patience through his poor performances even by me.

Compare that to how Callum is jumped on for a poor game while a) recovering from Covid and b) despite it being 72 hours after a genuine match winning performance at Villa Park (when Pulisic does similar it buys him months of good grace).

Recovering?  Was he actually sick?  Not being disrespectful...but I am almost 54 years old and have had Covid twice and I could have easily run a 5K when I had it!  By the way I never jump on players for bad performances, it happens.  I jump on supporters for talking sh*te when they have no clue what it is like to be professional athlete.

2 minutes ago, sstarrx2 said:

Recovering?  Was he actually sick?  Not being disrespectful...but I am almost 54 years old and have had Covid twice and I could have easily run a 5K when I had it!  By the way I never jump on players for bad performances, it happens.  I jump on supporters for talking sh*te when they have no clue what it is like to be professional athlete.

It's different for different people, Kai could barely move for weeks (as confirmed by both him and Frank).

Either way if we say hypothetically it didn't affect him, he still wasn't able to train (properly) and keep up his match sharpness.

42 minutes ago, Argo said:

He's anything but disliked. He got a years worth of patience through his poor performances even by me.

Compare that to how Callum is jumped on for a poor game while a) recovering from Covid and b) despite it being 72 hours after a genuine match winning performance at Villa Park (when Pulisic does similar it buys him months of good grace).

None of those excuses relate to his terrible decision making when through on goal. 

IMO Pulisic did a good job at as left winger or left inside-forward. Even under Tuchel when he was fit he was direct and attacking the goal and managed to score goals, even against Real Madrid in the knockouts last season.

But him being injured a lot is really a problem. Other than that, I don't expect him to turn into a world-class full-back in a matter of a month, I didn't like when Tuchel used CHO as a wing-back and I don't like it now when he's using Pulisic like that either.
So maybe it's time to change the formation and see how well we can do, it's not like we're still having clean sheets anyway, we conceded in the recent months more than all previous months together.

Just now, RomansRoubles said:

None of those excuses relate to his terrible decision making when through on goal. 

Three days before he heavily contributed to all of our goals at Villa.

And as I posted above it turned out that was illegally stopped by the defender and otherwise would have gone neatly through his legs straight to Mount.

His finishing needs serious improvement though no arguments there.

1 minute ago, Argo said:

Three days before he heavily contributed to all of our goals at Villa.

And as I posted above it turned out that was illegally stopped by the defender and otherwise would have gone neatly through his legs straight to Mount.

His finishing needs serious improvement though no arguments there.

Fair enough. I just don't think he will reach a truly elite level. But should be in the squad as a backup. 

Another player just not up to it. You can see he has clear skill but hes just not a right fit for us. 

3 hours ago, sstarrx2 said:

Recovering?  Was he actually sick?  Not being disrespectful...but I am almost 54 years old and have had Covid twice and I could have easily run a 5K when I had it!  By the way I never jump on players for bad performances, it happens.  I jump on supporters for talking down Pulisic when he’s had a sh*te performance and Chelsea supporters dare to criticise him. Oh, and I only discuss Pulisic because I don’t care about Chelsea, I’m more of a Pulisic fan.

There, changed that for you. Isn’t there a Pulisic fan forum where you all Americans can go to discuss how truly awful Chelsea is and how CFC has been hiding all his injuries problems for some sinister reason, such as stopping team USA winning the World Cup or something? I like Pulisic and didn’t think he was the worst of the lot last night, but if it takes selling him to get rid of this one player fans, sell him. They’d fit perfectly well with the dippers.

Also, not sure if all Americans think like you, but if you understood anything about this pandemic and the vastly differing pathologies the virus causes in different people, you’d have spared us your covid experience comparison. A few million people have died of it worldwide.

There’s a big talent in there but looks like EPL is a bit too physical, Robben a far better player had glass ankles and Mour shipped him to RM, went on to have a brilliant la liga & bundesliga career, Unless he has an injury free barnstormer of a 2nd half of this season must be over for him at CFC. Which is a shame bc under SFL he looked like a real prospect. 

1 hour ago, RMH said:

There, changed that for you. Isn’t there a Pulisic fan forum where you all Americans can go to discuss how truly awful Chelsea is and how CFC has been hiding all his injuries problems for some sinister reason, such as stopping team USA winning the World Cup or something? I like Pulisic and didn’t think he was the worst of the lot last night, but if it takes selling him to get rid of this one player fans, sell him. They’d fit perfectly well with the dippers.

Also, not sure if all Americans think like you, but if you understood anything about this pandemic and the vastly differing pathologies the virus causes in different people, you’d have spared us your covid experience comparison. A few million people have died of it worldwide.

Been a Chelsea fan for a long time…well since Drogba anyway. Don’t tell me about the pandemic, I am a physician…I know some have it worse than others…very few world class athletes have suffered that I know of.  I will be a Chelsea  supporter long after Pulisic has moved on,but thanks for being a limey prick!!

In all seriousness the comparison to Robben is a good one as he had injury issues with us often too. CP woild do well at Barca or some other Spanish side imo. They dont have refs like Dean who let sides like Brighton rough up our players without a care of a card in the world.

16 hours ago, wizardous said:

Are you Christian's advocate?

 

No, the way injuries have been piling up; I am really concern for CFC.

Chilwell is done for the season, James is probably out for a few months, Timo and Havertz still not back.

Christensen seems to have a knock, Kante and Silva is off and on with injuries.

I'll be surprised if CFC can continue to match on at this rate. How many starters will be out with injuries against Liverpool?

14 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

Look at this topic thread as an example. Americans showing interest in Chelsea purely because Pulisic plays for us.

They're watching our games, buying our merchandise just because he's at Chelsea. That level of increased brand awareness all from one player? 

You don't think his off pitch value would be a consideration in any decisions about his future? Of course it is, he's one of our most marketable players we have.

Let's not forget that we were on the brink of signing Yoshinori Muto a few years back purely for commercial reasons (as admitted by Mourinho) as part of the Yokohama Tires sponsorship.

 

Agree it creates brand awareness and generate a lot of buzz, but what how does that translate monetarily?

Americans coming to this forum, so what? How much revenue does that generate to the owner of this site? Probably none.

Sure more American watches Chelsea games? What does a viewer mean in terms of monetary value? Very minimal if at all.

How much merchandise was sold due to Pulisic? Do we have raw data on this? 

Was Pulisic responsible for or contributed significantly to any sponsorship or contract negotiations that generated additional revenue and income for CFC (where it would not achieve without Pulisic)? I doubt it.

So the bottom line is , what monetary value did Pulisic bring to the club? Can you put a value on it with, with actual data? 

You don't pay $70M dollars to bring a few Americans to this discussion forum, nor add a few thousand viewers to Chelsea games, or to sell a couple thousands more shirts or hats. You paid $70 because you believe in his talents and potentials. Sure, he can end up being a waste of money but it's not for the "suppose marketable value" he brings.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, Argo said:

He's anything but disliked. He got a years worth of patience through his poor performances even by me.

Compare that to how Callum is jumped on for a poor game while a) recovering from Covid and b) despite it being 72 hours after a genuine match winning performance at Villa Park (when Pulisic does similar it buys him months of good grace).

 

I agree with you about CHO.  The case with him is quite interesting.

He seems to get dropped for benched for no apparent solid reasons, even after a good game or run of form. Happened with both TT and Lampard. I have to think there really is more to it than what we see on the pitch.