4 goals and 4 assists in just over 900 minutes in the Bundesliga. As long as his stats keep improving he’ll keep people happy.

 

22 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

I'm nowhere near convinced by Pulisic, but at the same time, I hope things end up being similar to how Salah's career has gone. Before we bought Salah, I thought he looked really good at Basel, he had everything but the finish, that is probably why we bought him. We could see the potential there, but we didn't really give him time to release it with us and we sold him. He's now added end product to his game and he's one of the best players on the planet. I'm hoping this is what happens with Pulisic for us. 

Watch when Lineker met Salah. It is in YouTube. Mo says there he needed to improve his finishing so he built a football field in his yard and practiced finishing after training for hours per day. He has really done the work to be where he is. Hope Pulisic is as ambitious as Salah is. 

I think Pulisic is a smart boy and he will do everything to make him succesful here. 

Apparently he is actually a number 10 only playing winger last season, this could be interesting we could have Willian and perdo on the wings and him behind the striker at the start of next season 

18 hours ago, DannyVblue said:

The 'stick' is not warranted at all. It's not Pulisic's fault that we decided to pay £60 million for him. If you feel the need to criticise the signing you should be aiming it at the club, nothing Pulisic can do about it.

I'm not criticising the player. I'm criticising the board for not making the alternative signings and the people on the forum claiming he's likely to be the next Messi when he's literally done nothing in his career.

18 hours ago, Gol15 said:

Both have 1 thing in common, they want the ball and want to be leaders on the pitch, we missed out on De Bruyne that turned out to be a world class player for Man City, so hopefully we won't miss out on Pulisic when he starts demanding the ball in his feet even if he does lose it from time to time, the comparison is only as a warning sign and as a reminder how we lost a great player.

KDB is selfish and can take a game by the scruff of the neck, Pulisic is much more passive. Worlds apart.

17 hours ago, mwblue10 said:

I think saying Hazard and Brandt have more potential is the wrong argument.  I think it's more so that, right now, Hazard is definitely a better player than Pulisic, and there's a strong case that Brandt is as well.  If we are basing everything on potential, then Pulisic has more - he's 6 and 3 years younger than them, respectively, and has definitely shown the tools to be on their level at their ages. 

 

Age 20 seasons:

Hazard: 24 appearances, 3 goals, 6 assists (Belgium)

Brandt: 29 appearances, 9 goals, 5 assists (Germany)

Pulisic: 20 appearances, 4 goals, 4 assists (Germany)

There's really not much difference.

 

Hazard and Brandt were probably better signings when you weight cost and ability right now.  It's understandable as to why Pulisic cost what he did, though.

Also, Brandt played half of his appearances at attacking midfield this season, with 6 of his 10 goals and 10 of his 17 assists coming from there.  So if we are going to throw out stats as a measure, then it appears he was much better and more productive from midfield rather than the wing.

I know the 13 goals and 12 assists you listed were Hazard's stats, but I'm just addressing your point that Brandt is more of a winger, when really he's 50/50 a winger and AM in regards to appearances.

Pulisic plays number 10 for USA most of the time so i guess we can disregard all his NT stats at the same time, seeing as that's the only place he's stood out. Good thing we've signed another unproductive winger who plays better through the middle to go next to Willian. 

16 hours ago, dkw said:

Its unbelievable isnt it, people seem desperate to take shots at him before he`s even kicked a ball, its such a weird attitude to have.

Or perhaps its embarrassing seeing people genuinely make comments saying he's the next big thing at his age when he's done nothing to show that. 

1 hour ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

Apparently he is actually a number 10 only playing winger last season, this could be interesting we could have Willian and perdo on the wings and him behind the striker at the start of next season 

Its like you want me to cry.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 people on the forum claiming he's likely to be the next Messi when he's literally done nothing in his career.

 

Or perhaps its embarrassing seeing people genuinely make comments saying he's the next big thing at his age when he's done nothing to show that. 

Who has said any of this? Most people are saying he has a lot of potential and is the direct attacking player we desperately need, most are just looking forward to seeing how he does at Chelsea and are hoping he succeeds rahter than quantifying his purchase by claiming players x and y would have been much better with no real reasoning other than "well I think hes better".

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I'm not criticising the player. I'm criticising the board for not making the alternative signings and the people on the forum claiming he's likely to be the next Messi when he's literally done nothing in his career.

KDB is selfish and can take a game by the scruff of the neck, Pulisic is much more passive. Worlds apart.

Pulisic plays number 10 for USA most of the time so i guess we can disregard all his NT stats at the same time, seeing as that's the only place he's stood out. Good thing we've signed another unproductive winger who plays better through the middle to go next to Willian. 

Or perhaps its embarrassing seeing people genuinely make comments saying he's the next big thing at his age when he's done nothing to show that. 

As far as I know no one called him Messi or the next Messi or anything, mostly people are excited because we finally signed a young winger after years of Willian and Pedro. 

Typical off season stuffs, people just want complain about everything and anything about the club. Whether we paid too much or too little for Pulisic, only time could tell. To say Pullisic  deserves to get some sticks before he even had a training session is just bizarre.

4 hours ago, WalterWhiteCFC said:

Apparently he is actually a number 10 only playing winger last season, this could be interesting we could have Willian and perdo on the wings and him behind the striker at the start of next season 

He’s played out wide 115 out of his 127 total appearances for Dortmund, so that is just not true.  116 if you count the appearance they have him listed as a RB - I assume he just tracked back a lot that game, he likely was at RW or RM.  He played more central for their youth sides and for the USMNT.

21 minutes ago, dkw said:

Who has said any of this? Most people are saying he has a lot of potential and is the direct attacking player we desperately need, most are just looking forward to seeing how he does at Chelsea and are hoping he succeeds rahter than quantifying his purchase by claiming players x and y would have been much better with no real reasoning other than "well I think hes better".

Thank you

On 03/06/2019 at 12:27, RIP Mourinho said:

Had we paid £30m for him i wouldn't have an issue, it makes a mockery that Dortmund have managed to go and sign T.Hazard and Brandt for £22m each and pocket £16m pocket change from selling Pulisic. 

Both Hazard and Brandt would have instantly improved us right now, whilst having just as much potential.

Pulisic is worth £60m. He's a 20 year old with 100+ senior appearances for a top side. Additionally he's American. He has lots of potential. 

Brandt is worth more than what Dortmund paid, but was a release clause. So his price is irrelevant. He went where was best for his career. Maybe we wanted to buy him - irrelevant, we cant buy anyone.

T.Hazard is -in my opinion- at a similar level to Pulisic ability wise but with less potential. T.Hazard isn't going to improve much from 26 and until this age has never played for a big club. Pulisic has, he has big game experience. 

Additionally we aren't accountants -so whether we paid £30 or £60m is irrelevant. We don't have a pot of £250m to spend and if it runs out, we can't sign anyone. For a start, we can't sign anyone anyway! Secondly, certain contracts get paid differently. Certain players are valued according to the contract they ultimately sign (Kepa we bought for a ridiculous sum on the basis that he signed a ridiculously long contract - he then becomes an asset), or the markets they open up (Pulisic instantly elevates us to be one of the most watched teams in America). This isn't football manager, there are always other factors. 

45 minutes ago, dkw said:

Who has said any of this? Most people are saying he has a lot of potential and is the direct attacking player we desperately need, most are just looking forward to seeing how he does at Chelsea and are hoping he succeeds rahter than quantifying his purchase by claiming players x and y would have been much better with no real reasoning other than "well I think hes better".

Go back a few pages, there were genuinely people claiming he's the next footballing prodigy and the biggest young talent atm. 

27 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

He’s played out wide 115 out of his 127 total appearances for Dortmund, so that is just not true.  116 if you count the appearance they have him listed as a RB - I assume he just tracked back a lot that game, he likely was at RW or RM.  He played more central for their youth sides and for the USMNT.

Willian has played out wide and was originally a number 10. Not worked well for him either. 

2 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Pulisic is worth £60m. He's a 20 year old with 100+ senior appearances for a top side. Additionally he's American. He has lots of potential. 

Brandt is worth more than what Dortmund paid, but was a release clause. So his price is irrelevant. He went where was best for his career. Maybe we wanted to buy him - irrelevant, we cant buy anyone.

T.Hazard is -in my opinion- at a similar level to Pulisic ability wise but with less potential. T.Hazard isn't going to improve much from 26 and until this age has never played for a big club. Pulisic has, he has big game experience. 

Additionally we aren't accountants -so whether we paid £30 or £60m is irrelevant. We don't have a pot of £250m to spend and if it runs out, we can't sign anyone. For a start, we can't sign anyone anyway! Secondly, certain contracts get paid differently. Certain players are valued according to the contract they ultimately sign (Kepa we bought for a ridiculous sum on the basis that he signed a ridiculously long contract - he then becomes an asset), or the markets they open up (Pulisic instantly elevates us to be one of the most watched teams in America). This isn't football manager, there are always other factors. 

Well yeah, that's literally how money works... Once it runs out you can't spend anymore. Hence why as fans we should be cautious of where the money is spent. Or do we just agree £35m on Drinkwater isn't an issue because it isn't out money?

On 02/06/2019 at 20:43, Gol15 said:

Google him before you talk, his stats are comparable to Ronaldo and Messi under 20...

 

On 02/06/2019 at 16:48, Gol15 said:

He's projected to be the next big star in world football...so compare him to someone else and not Muller lol

For those of you saying no one is hyping him up too much... @dkw

Edited June 4, 20197 yr by RIP Mourinho

There are obvious reasons why Pulisic is both an exciting new addition and can end up being a waste of space.

28 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Well yeah, that's literally how money works... Once it runs out you can't spend anymore. Hence why as fans we should be cautious of where the money is spent. Or do we just agree £35m on Drinkwater isn't an issue because it isn't out money?

Jesus.

We aren't talking about money, we are talking about budgets in a company. Chelsea buying players are investments / assets. 1) They can maintain some form of value and 2) They increase revenue in the business. 

I will give you an example, 

Let's say we have a pot of £200m you believe exists. But Mbappe says that he wants to come to Chelsea and PSG say he will cost us £200m. We've already spend £100m on players, so we can only afford to spend £100m. 

What happens?

You think - We can't buy him. We've not got £200m, we would need to raise another £100m in player sales. 

The answer - We buy him. The increased revenues from sponsorship partners over 5 years and improvement to our squad means it is worth spending an extra £100m outside our budget. We can afford it. We spread the cost around our budgets. Oh and when any banks worry about loaning us money, they will see we have one of the best players on our books on a long term contract. 

Edited June 4, 20197 yr by bisright1

5 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

KDB is selfish and can take a game by the scruff of the neck, Pulisic is much more passive. Worlds apart.

 

Really hes "selfish" with all those assists he made for Man City? And Pulisic is passive? Part from that not being true at all...my point is that we once had a young talent, nobody gave him the time and space he needed and he left and joined Man City, now if we make the same mistake with Pulisic we honestly don't deserve a decent squad.

The kid didn't even play a single game and people already mad at him and trying so hard to put him down lol...I'm sorry but he's already coming so you might as well get used to him and support the squad, this rubbish negativity isn't doing you any good, nor the team.

15 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Jesus.

We aren't talking about money, we are talking about budgets in a company. Chelsea buying players are investments / assets. 1) They can maintain some form of value and 2) They increase revenue in the business. 

I will give you an example, 

Let's say we have a pot of £200m you believe exists. But Mbappe says that he wants to come to Chelsea and PSG say he will cost us £200m. We've already spend £100m on players, so we can only afford to spend £100m. 

What happens?

You think - We can't buy him. We've not got £200m, we would need to raise another £100m in player sales. 

The answer - We buy him. The increased revenues from sponsorship partners over 5 years and improvement to our squad means it is worth spending an extra £100m outside our budget. We can afford it. We spread the cost around our budgets. Oh and when any banks worry about loaning us money, they will see we have one of the best players on our books on a long term contract. 

The fact still stands we have a budget and we aren't going to spend £100m outside of that for the sake of it. We aren't buying Mbappe, we're signing Pulisic ffs, bit of a difference. 

f**k it, Lets go chuck £400m at Neymar and another £400m at Mbappe seeing as Chelsea have no budget. Tie them down to a long term deal and bam, free money. 

5 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Really hes "selfish" with all those assists he made for Man City? And Pulisic is passive? Part from that not being true at all...my point is that we once had a young talent, nobody gave him the time and space he needed and he left and joined Man City, now if we make the same mistake with Pulisic we honestly don't deserve a decent squad.

The kid didn't even play a single game and people already mad at him and trying so hard to put him down lol...I'm sorry but he's already coming so you might as well get used to him and support the squad, this rubbish negativity isn't doing you any good, nor the team.

Ronaldo makes a sh*t load of assists, he's still greedy. Explain how what i say isn't true, just saying it doesn't make it so. 

KDB didn't get the time because we had players with bigger price tags ahead of him. Even if Pulisic is sh*t, he'll get game time because he cost £60m. That's how it works at Chelsea.

2 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ronaldo makes a sh*t load of assists, he's still greedy. Explain how what i say isn't true, just saying it doesn't make it so. 

KDB didn't get the time because we had players with bigger price tags ahead of him. Even if Pulisic is sh*t, he'll get game time because he cost £60m. That's how it works at Chelsea.

Your opinion of how it works at Chelsea is not that relevant at this point...Make a survey and see how many Chelsea fans would have loved to still have De Bruyne, specially this season in the 433, but sure wow the boy is too selfish, just like Ronaldo, we don't need those!

12 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Really hes "selfish" with all those assists he made for Man City? And Pulisic is passive? Part from that not being true at all...my point is that we once had a young talent, nobody gave him the time and space he needed and he left and joined Man City, now if we make the same mistake with Pulisic we honestly don't deserve a decent squad.

The kid didn't even play a single game and people already mad at him and trying so hard to put him down lol...I'm sorry but he's already coming so you might as well get used to him and support the squad, this rubbish negativity isn't doing you any good, nor the team.

He meant shellfish. 

4 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

 

KDB didn't get the time because we had players with bigger price tags ahead of him. Even if Pulisic is sh*t, he'll get game time because he cost £60m. That's how it works at Chelsea.

Thats not entirely true, we had better players with greater experience ahead of him, he was bought for potential, same as many others. Unfortunately he wanted more and JM didnt think he was up to it... 

23 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The fact still stands we have a budget and we aren't going to spend £100m outside of that for the sake of it. We aren't buying Mbappe, we're signing Pulisic ffs, bit of a difference. 

f**k it, Lets go chuck £400m at Neymar and another £400m at Mbappe seeing as Chelsea have no budget. Tie them down to a long term deal and bam, free money. 

Weren't you the one that tried to make a case where we should sell Hazard for cheap and buy Kovacic for 50m? 

24 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Your opinion of how it works at Chelsea is not that relevant at this point...Make a survey and see how many Chelsea fans would have loved to still have De Bruyne, specially this season in the 433, but sure wow the boy is too selfish, just like Ronaldo, we don't need those!

What on earth are you even on about now? Everyone would want KDB back, like i said. My point is he has no relevance to Pulisic.

22 minutes ago, Bonzodog29 said:

Thats not entirely true, we had better players with greater experience ahead of him, he was bought for potential, same as many others. Unfortunately he wanted more and JM didnt think he was up to it... 

Oscar better and more experienced than KDB? 

6 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

Weren't you the one that tried to make a case where we should sell Hazard for cheap and buy Kovacic for 50m? 

I made the case of £80m + Kovacic for Hazard, yes. Which coincidentally, isn't too far off what we're doing.

Looks like we'll sell Hazard for £110m and sign Kovacic for £30m. 

12 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What on earth are you even on about now? Everyone would want KDB back, like i said. My point is he has no relevance to Pulisic.

I made the case of £80m + Kovacic for Hazard, yes. Which coincidentally, isn't too far off what we're doing.

Looks like we'll sell Hazard for £110m and sign Kovacic for £30m. 

The fact that you don't understand what I tried to say when I compared the two players, shows to me that you simply don't want to understand.

So you are fine with us selling Hazard for 80m but not buying Pulisic for 60m...OK