48 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Albeit i am leaning on Wiki and its possible flaws, but if the FFP rules for the EPL were not adopted until 2015 I am not sure of the relevance of this stuff that pre dates the implementation of the legislation. It may be unpalatable, i accept. As much as George Graham's bungs and Sam Allardyce washing money through his son's agency and countless other under the table deals that no doubt took place, but is it not time barred as it pre dated the current legislation.

If not how far do you go back to clobber those breaching FFP before FFP?

"Worst of all, though, were the finances of Portsmouth, which had a shortfall of £59,458,603 to the creditor in February 2010 (after deducting the book value of the asset). Having invested heavily on players over previous seasons, (the previous year's net loss was covered by French-Israeli businessman Alexandre Gaydamak)"

I get it for the current regulatory regime, but wasn't Hazard signed in 12 and Willian and Eto'o in 13. for example.

Confused!

2011-12 season I think it started.

If most of the charges are so wrong , as I've read on here, then we've got nothing to worry about 🤣🤣

3 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

If you listen to Everton fans we'll be ok.. There's an agenda against Everton apparently, ( been going on for ever) and big shots like us and Citeh will get away with it .

Also the conspiracy involves waiting till Kenwright died before hitting the club !

We've been punished a few times unlike City, we don't have this protection that people think we do. The Government almost liquidated this club and people still think Chelsea is untouchable like City? Absolute madness. 

As a City fan I wouldn't be worried, as for Chelsea, well... We could very well be sadly. 

2 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

We've been punished a few times unlike City, we don't have this protection that people think we do. The Government almost liquidated this club and people still think Chelsea is untouchable like City? Absolute madness. 

As a City fan I wouldn't be worried, as for Chelsea, well... We could very well be sadly. 

I certainly don't think we are untouchable, I was only repeating the notion that Everton fans believe that we are big shots and will get away with whatever , while there is a long standing agenda against Everton.

Total bollocks, everyone knows that it's Chelsea that everyone hates and wants to ruin 

If punished is all Todd and co need to change their position on the super league and it will be bye bye PL along with City.

On 16/11/2023 at 14:54, axman2526 said:

I expect the book is thrown at us. Just have to look back how awfully the club, and fans, were treated by the government vendetta to expect the same from the PL.

Does not tarnish what we have achieved in the slightest for me though. The sport is corrupt. It is within Fifa, Uefa, the FA, the PL and all the respective clubs. Back handed payments, admitted corruption within the referee brotherhood. 

From top to bottom nobody is clean.

They can take away our trophies but WE all know what we are., WE won them , you can't take away what's in our hearts and minds

Just now, The Rising Sun said:

They can take away our trophies but WE all know what we are., WE won them , you can't take away what's in our hearts and minds

Some reports out there that, if us and City are proven guilty of breaking FFP, the other 18 PL clubs, the FA and PL all want to impose relegation up both clubs.

Euro super league here we come... PL asked for it

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Some reports out there that, if us and City are proven guilty of breaking FFP, the other 18 PL clubs, the FA and PL all want to impose relegation up both clubs.

f**k that.  Relegate us to the old 4th Division or National League South ?

3 minutes ago, hawkster said:

Euro super league here we come... PL asked for it

🤣🤣

16 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

If punished is all Todd and co need to change their position on the super league and it will be bye bye PL along with City.

We won't get punished.

I've confidence in the posts on here that the charges are wrong on dates, wrong on how the money was paid and that it's all above board the sale of the club was rushed and we are innocent.

And anyway Citeh have over 100 charges against them , so why are they bothering about Chelsea anyway .

Not Guilty M' Lud

 

Both us and Citeh's problems were revealed in hacks and leaked documents.

What I don't understand is how alleged illegal payments are on ANY documentation at all ?

Surely you don't keep evidence on computers of stuff that can reveal your wrongdoing ?

Oh well , a great week of football and inevitably it's followed by a bucket of sh*t dumped on us.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

2011-12 season I think it started.

If most of the charges are so wrong , as I've read on here, then we've got nothing to worry about 🤣🤣

This is what Wiki says:

Despite broad approval across Europe, in early 2010, the European Club Association succeeded in delaying the full introduction of the FFP regulations to give clubs more time to adjust.^[3] The original timescale was lengthened, with a phased implementation over five years meaning that the full rules would apply in 2015 instead of 2012. 

1 minute ago, WhiteWall said:

This is what Wiki says:

Despite broad approval across Europe, in early 2010, the European Club Association succeeded in delaying the full introduction of the FFP regulations to give clubs more time to adjust.^[3] The original timescale was lengthened, with a phased implementation over five years meaning that the full rules would apply in 2015 instead of 2012. 

Thanks for info mate 👍

52 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

This is what Wiki says:

Despite broad approval across Europe, in early 2010, the European Club Association succeeded in delaying the full introduction of the FFP regulations to give clubs more time to adjust.^[3] The original timescale was lengthened, with a phased implementation over five years meaning that the full rules would apply in 2015 instead of 2012. 

So maybe the possible wrongdoing is unrelated to FFP and we broke EPL rules that were in place anyway, prior to FFP ?

9 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Compared to our latest allegations......

Chelsea spokesperson said: “These allegations pre-date the club’s current ownership. They are based on documents which the club has not been shown and do not relate to any individual who is presently at the club.”

 

Everton will fight with everything they got in the appeal, which should drag it on for a while. If they are 9 points above the drop comes May, like to think  they can't be relegated if the appeal is still in progress. I mean how much worse are we, if all we had was allegedly secret payments to a few players, is it 100M for each?

14 minutes ago, icecoolguy22 said:

Everton will fight with everything they got in the appeal, which should drag it on for a while. If they are 9 points above the drop comes May, like to think  they can't be relegated if the appeal is still in progress. I mean how much worse are we, if all we had was allegedly secret payments to a few players, is it 100M for each?

There's tons of allegations in those leaked files.

Most not connected to Chelsea though. Roman loaned Swindon a million quid or something. Then theres payments to agents something about CSKA Moscow..

It's all over the place tbh, a lot comes with " but there's no suggestion that this broke any rules"

 

3 hours ago, Nick05 said:

Within 1 year Todd and his team have found such loopholes that UEFA and FA have been forced to amend their transfer business rules. They'll likely find some loopholes that will help them get out of this. Americans bring the best lawyers.

I don't think they found any loophole. It's always been there in plain sight. People just weighed the risks and decided against it. He and his team just have a higher risk tolerance, that's all.

Do you reckon we'll be stripped of some of our trophies? 

5 hours ago, hawkster said:

Euro super league here we come... PL asked for it

f**k the cold nights in Stoke, we prefer a warm winter night in Seville! Up yours, FA!

I see one of the Everton hire ups, acting CEO I think, spoke about how unfair the punishment is as it affects Everton fans who were not at fault.

Well for one where was he, and his club, when the government sanctioned us because of unproven links between Roman and Putin? Were our fans not treated poorly? Everton fans can still go to games, still buy tickets, still by merch from their megastore. 

Where were they then, along with the other 18 PL sides they were gloating behind closed doors hoping for our demise.

What you have got is nothing compared to what we went through, cry me a river over to fans.

Further how does anyone with half a brain think the previous system of handing out fines holds any deterrent to these clubs not to break the rules?

Would anyone at Man City be bothered if they get fined 500mill? Their owner would just get his wallet, Job done. 

Same with us, same with Everton. Anyone at our clubs bothered if the owners loses some of his wealth? No? Thought not.

You have to make it a sporting sanction if you want this to mean anything, to make clubs do better. 

They will pay fines till the cows come home, they don't care. However you start taking away points, relegation etc, now everyone is concerned, and the fans will add pressure on the owners to take proper care of the club.

If we are guilty throw the book at us, likewise City and anyone else. If that means relegation, kicked out of the football league, whatever, the fans will still be here.

But do it fairly, big or small, rich or richest. If you want everyone to obey the rules, you have to show those rules mean something.

Edited November 18, 20232 yr by axman2526

I may be in a minority here but to me it seems points deductions and possible relegation punishes the innocents in all of this.  The fans played no part in any possible breaches of the rules, nor did the current playing staff or the current owners who actually reported the matter to the authorities it would seem.

Where was all the 'due diligence' supposedly carried out by the government and the regulatory football bodies overseeing the sale of the club when Roman was sanctioned ?  I thought that was the whole point of making sure everything was above board and watertight in terms of previous financial dealings ?

I stand to be corrected but I believe Clearlake even set aside £100m to deal with any possible financial punishment for any alleged rule breaches by the previous ownership. League table positions should only be determined by results over the course of a season, not some random body of 'regulators' who seem incapable of regulating anything, let alone the fate the fate of a football club.

If we are found guilty of rule breaking so be it,  impose a financial penalty but a points deduction or heaven forbid, relegation would be a total distortion of the league table and make a mockery of the game which is rapidly becoming a farce.