9 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Aye Chelsea FC must. Roman with his own personal fortune does not have to.

If he wants to buy Marina a pair of diamond earrings, his son a sports car, Edens dad a Bentley, he can, is his money. If it came through Chelsea FC accounts though then we have have issue.

This is where the line gets really blurry. For instance, it's a well known fact Roman and Mariana are on good personal terms, so it's not the PL or UFEFA's business if he decided to pay for her next house ( or 10 houses for that matter) out of his own pocket. Paying a bonus to Hazard by-passing the book is an offence, but if Roman decided to get 1M pounds worth of 'chocolate' for his birthday, that's from Roman's personal account, that's not breaking any FFP rules.. This is where the lawyers come in and fight the accusations, but if we already admitted guilt, then the only thing we could argue is the degree of punishment. 

1 hour ago, icecoolguy22 said:

This is where the line gets really blurry. For instance, it's a well known fact Roman and Mariana are on good personal terms, so it's not the PL or UFEFA's business if he decided to pay for her next house ( or 10 houses for that matter) out of his own pocket. Paying a bonus to Hazard by-passing the book is an offence, but if Roman decided to get 1M pounds worth of 'chocolate' for his birthday, that's from Roman's personal account, that's not breaking any FFP rules.. This is where the lawyers come in and fight the accusations, but if we already admitted guilt, then the only thing we could argue is the degree of punishment. 

Indeed. How the matter is handled and how the things were paid make the difference.

10 point deduction for Everton.

Just warming up for the massive deduction we'll get. Relegation back on the cards.

Mudryk has had two or three games now where he wasn’t completely useless. But is it still too soon to sell him to Real Madrid in January for £350m and us suddenly break even?

10 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Just warming up for the massive deduction we'll get. Relegation back on the cards.

I don't see how they can possibly justify giving us as many points deduction as Everton have just got, let alone more, seeing as Everton were massively over the FFP allowance compared to where we are ?

All quiet on the City front of course ... 

Could be warning signs for what's to come if there are adverse findings against us.

If Everton are being deducted 10 points, what's Manchester City's penalty going to be for the 115 charges?

Our investigation will most certainly take a while. 

It won't come this season will it? Surely next season if anything. That's two more seasons (at least) without challenging for top four.

Can't help but think It'll seriously damage us regardless, because without any European football our finances will take a bigger hit. 

44 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Just warming up for the massive deduction we'll get. Relegation back on the cards.

There's no chance they give us a big enough deduction that we end up relegated. 

The worry is if they don't give us a deduction until next season. Get it done quick. 

17 minutes ago, enigma said:

It won't come this season will it? Surely next season if anything. That's two more seasons (at least) without challenging for top four.

Can't help but think It'll seriously damage us regardless, because without any European football our finances will take a bigger hit. 

The investigation essentially has to prove the validity of these alleged leaked payments. 

 

- Did these payments actually happen?

- Were these payments made for footballing reasons?

- Should these payments been listed on the books?

- Did these payments directly influence us to evade FFP penalties?

 

It'll likely take a while considering they are looking at payments made since the early 2010's. If it doesn't drag out I can imagine it will be tossed out for insufficient evidence. 

24 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The investigation essentially has to prove the validity of these alleged leaked payments. 

 

- Did these payments actually happen?

- Were these payments made for footballing reasons?

- Should these payments been listed on the books?

- Did these payments directly influence us to evade FFP penalties?

 

It'll likely take a while considering they are looking at payments made since the early 2010's. If it doesn't drag out I can imagine it will be tossed out for insufficient evidence. 

So far our owners have been very open and helpful with the investigation, even self reporting stuff. That may speed it up.

Cities is dead in the water as they are taking every route possible to block the investigation.

1 hour ago, dermott said:

10 point deduction for Everton.

 

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

Just warming up for the massive deduction we'll get. Relegation back on the cards.

Now they have an example of penalties being applied, means us being hit with loss of points would not be a first.

Now seems like a good time to stick your fingers in your ears and hum Blue is the Colour............................!

 

Edited November 17, 20232 yr by Nibs

not worried.. Everton will appeal get a transfer ban .. us aswell.. FA have always been buffons and get shown up in any court of arbitration.. it is stupid! 

1 minute ago, Jangz said:

not worried.. Everton will appeal get a transfer ban .. us aswell.. FA have always been buffons and get shown up in any court of arbitration.. it is stupid! 

Yeah am sure Everton will go to CAS.

Todd should also go for an investigation of the FA finances going back to when Sky started pouring pounds to the game.... They are as corrupt as any of the clubs they are investigating.

18 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Aye Chelsea FC must. Roman with his own personal fortune does not have to.

If he wants to buy Marina a pair of diamond earrings, his son a sports car, Edens dad a Bentley, he can, is his money. If it came through Chelsea FC accounts though then we have have issue.

I don't think it's that simple. Most of City's problems relate to funding from "sponsors" when the "sponsors" are, in fact, arms of the owner. In other words, hidden funding from the owner. The same would surely apply to Abramovich companies effectively facilitating player purchases, etc, off the Chelsea books.

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

There's no chance they give us a big enough deduction that we end up relegated. 

The worry is if they don't give us a deduction until next season. Get it done quick. 

I agree, with the three promoted clubs already desperately trying to dive back through the trap door and Everton getting sucked into it as well, give us the points deduction now and get it over with. As long as that is it then........Well, until Clearlake sue everyone that is following an appalling and possibly corrupt due diligence undertaken as part of the enforced sanction and sale.

Albeit i am leaning on Wiki and its possible flaws, but if the FFP rules for the EPL were not adopted until 2015 I am not sure of the relevance of this stuff that pre dates the implementation of the legislation. It may be unpalatable, i accept. As much as George Graham's bungs and Sam Allardyce washing money through his son's agency and countless other under the table deals that no doubt took place, but is it not time barred as it pre dated the current legislation.

If not how far do you go back to clobber those breaching FFP before FFP?

"Worst of all, though, were the finances of Portsmouth, which had a shortfall of £59,458,603 to the creditor in February 2010 (after deducting the book value of the asset). Having invested heavily on players over previous seasons, (the previous year's net loss was covered by French-Israeli businessman Alexandre Gaydamak)"

I get it for the current regulatory regime, but wasn't Hazard signed in 12 and Willian and Eto'o in 13. for example.

Confused!

Within 1 year Todd and his team have found such loopholes that UEFA and FA have been forced to amend their transfer business rules. They'll likely find some loopholes that will help them get out of this. Americans bring the best lawyers.

On 16/11/2023 at 10:05, icecoolguy22 said:

It's easy to blame the 'evil' Russians and anyone associated with them, meantime the UK government is still withholding Roman's money which was meant for the Ukrainians. Hunting Chelsea down will make good publicity, but thankfully in this stone age the one with the best lawyers usually win. Boehly and his buddies didn't make this far without a legion of lawyers, so they will come to the  rescue if not already.

Actually the UK government are trying to get their hands on that money. It's still in a frozen in a Fordstam account. The charities are still arguing over who gets the money as it's for " victims of the war" . So charities in Africa for example claim they suffered hunger due to no grain supplies due to the war. 

All the government wanted was to destroy our club and pretend it was a way to support Ukraine, the money hasn't benefited anyone , they were so eager to sell us they didn't even bother to work out how to release the money.

If they DO manage to get their hands on it from that Fordstam account , their legal pals will make a mint out of it

Does anyone know how our alleged charges compare to Everton's? More or less money involved etc?  Better or worse? @Sconnie Blue

1 minute ago, Modueke said:

Does anyone know how our alleged charges compare to Everton's? More or less money involved etc?  Better or worse? @Sconnie Blue

If you listen to Everton fans we'll be ok.. There's an agenda against Everton apparently, ( been going on for ever) and big shots like us and Citeh will get away with it .

Also the conspiracy involves waiting till Kenwright died before hitting the club !

So I'm reading RedCafe on this matter and I find it totally pathetic to wish one of your biggest rivals get relegated. 

I mean, what is football if there are no rivalries? What is the point of winning a league title beating Wolves, Palace and Brighton on course to that? 

United fans are so desperate. 

Punishments should be mainly about money and points deduction to some degree. At the end of the day these clubs did not go bankrupt, nor bribed any officials to gain advantage, like Juventus did. 

Punishments related to shady payments to your own players or your own player's agents should, IMHO, be all about returning that money or parts of it. For example a huge 10-15M punishment from the FA and that money goes to youth centers development or other similar things.