1 hour ago, Whats_The_Mata? said:

I was at the match.

Have you been to the Bridge in your life?

It seems the loudest pro Boehly voices online are the voices furthest from the Bridge at kick off.

A wonderful performance, the first very good performance of the season imo and a world apart from how poor we were against Arsenal (though people pretended we played well that game as well) but that doesn't invalidate the criticism of the ownership or the squad building.  10th after 12 games is still a very poor start to the season and a lot of work has to be done we're on as poor a run at home as I can remember.

You never seem to be at the games when we're losing, you're always on here almost immediately.

Maybe you need to start going every week then, that's the good luck charm we've been missing, my apologies. 

3 hours ago, just said:

The BBC article from yesterday and the Newsnight programme is not really aimed at anything to do with Chelsea.

It is being used as evidence to claim that Abramovich had financial activities that were linked to Putin. Something Roman has always denied.

 

I'd be amazed if ANY Russian oligarch billionaire had no financial links to Putin . Anyway it wasn't a problem for our banks to take and hide his money for 20 years and for the the uK to renew his visas in return for his money

The EPL are more worried the " Brand" than anything else.

Expect a fudge because if they hit us hard they'll have to hit Citeh ten times harder.

Mind you, it's Chelsea, so you never know 

1 hour ago, Victor90 said:

You never seem to be at the games when we're losing, you're always on here almost immediately.

Maybe you need to start going every week then, that's the good luck charm we've been missing, my apologies. 

We've won 1 of our last 14 home games.  I've been to 5 of them so it doesn't make much difference.

Perhaps our good luck charm was an intelligent owner and talented squad they're certainly missing now.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

I'd be amazed if ANY Russian oligarch billionaire had no financial links to Putin . Anyway it wasn't a problem for our banks to take and hide his money for 20 years and for the the uK to renew his visas in return for his money

Give them time. They will find a way to blame us for the whole war in Ukraine by the end of it all...

It's easy to blame the 'evil' Russians and anyone associated with them, meantime the UK government is still withholding Roman's money which was meant for the Ukrainians. Hunting Chelsea down will make good publicity, but thankfully in this stone age the one with the best lawyers usually win. Boehly and his buddies didn't make this far without a legion of lawyers, so they will come to the  rescue if not already.

On 15/11/2023 at 08:53, Snedger said:

Not sure how long it will take for the FA et al to do whatever they’re doing, but a points deduction will almost certainly be coming. I hope we’re higher up the table than now when it does or we could be at risk of going down.

And is there any precedent for removing honours? I’m sure the rest of football and the press would love to scratch off a few of our trophies.

'Boys in blue Division two, we won't be there for long'

14 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Imagine if the PL decided to make a real example of us, and put us in a position we end up getting relegated for.

No way our owners have made a plan to deal with that sort of Financial hit, as it is a second year of no champions league is set to be an issue, bit a season of no PL cash and the pennies Championship sides get? 

We would breach football league FFP for sure and end up getting hit by them. We have seen how clubs like Derby have received heavy points deductions there.

I'm sure they'll throw the book at us to make an example.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

I'm sure they'll throw the book at us to make an example.

I can see a heavy fine for sure, and Clearlake even put a substantial amount into a reserve fund for such a case. So I suspect they were anticipating a big fine at some point.  I won't be surprised if we get a points deduction and Man City/Everton get a slap on the wrists. But I imagine that could open up a huge legal claim against FA/Premier League and the UK government over the sale. Didn't they oversee the whole sale of the club including a review of the assets etc.? If so then this would be the equivalent of a car dealership selling a customer a lemon and then fining them shortly afterwards for an emissions test failure.

1 hour ago, Zeta said:

I'm sure they'll throw the book at us to make an example.

They have warmed up with the penalty soon hitting Everton. We are the main course.

10 minutes ago, forbzy said:

I can see a heavy fine for sure, and Clearlake even put a substantial amount into a reserve fund for such a case. So I suspect they were anticipating a big fine at some point.  I won't be surprised if we get a points deduction and Man City/Everton get a slap on the wrists. But I imagine that could open up a huge legal claim against FA/Premier League and the UK government over the sale. Didn't they oversee the whole sale of the club including a review of the assets etc.? If so then this would be the equivalent of a car dealership selling a customer a lemon and then fining them shortly afterwards for an emissions test failure.

I was under the opinion this would only be a fine, but these new reports are allegedly a leak from inside the club....

It's now whether or not BlueCo/Clearlake can invalidate these reports which contain undeclared payments that had us bypass FFP (Using Roman's third party companies to buy Conte, Hazard's agent fee, etc). Points deduction is possible given the legitimate of these claims. 

Hate to say it but it does tarnish a lot of our silverware if these are proven true. 

 

 

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

27 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I was under the opinion this would only be a fine, but these new reports are allegedly a leak from inside the club....

It's now whether or not BlueCo/Clearlake can invalidate these reports which contain undeclared payments that had us bypass FFP (Using Roman's third party companies to buy Conte, Hazard's agent fee, etc). Points deduction is possible given the legitimate of these claims. 

Hate to say it but it does tarnish a lot of our silverware if these are proven true. 

 

 

But again didn't UK government and Premier League oversee/review the sale to Clearlake? This also included a thorough review of all the assets etc. So knowingly selling "damaged goods" would also open them up for a massive legal case I think .

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I was under the opinion this would only be a fine, but these new reports are allegedly a leak from inside the club....

It's now whether or not BlueCo/Clearlake can invalidate these reports which contain undeclared payments that had us bypass FFP (Using Roman's third party companies to buy Conte, Hazard's agent fee, etc). Points deduction is possible given the legitimate of these claims. 

Hate to say it but it does tarnish a lot of our silverware if these are proven true. 

 

 

I expect the book is thrown at us. Just have to look back how awfully the club, and fans, were treated by the government vendetta to expect the same from the PL.

Does not tarnish what we have achieved in the slightest for me though. The sport is corrupt. It is within Fifa, Uefa, the FA, the PL and all the respective clubs. Back handed payments, admitted corruption within the referee brotherhood. 

From top to bottom nobody is clean.

The owners kept back 100mill pounds of the sale price expecting to receive fines for these matters from Uefa and the FA/PL. 

If need be that money is also for lawyers if the PL decided to go with a points deduction, which no doubt would also go to CAS.

35 minutes ago, forbzy said:

But again didn't UK government and Premier League oversee/review the sale to Clearlake? This also included a thorough review of all the assets etc. So knowingly selling "damaged goods" would also open them up for a massive legal case I think .

I'm assuming these leaks were "off the record" transactions. 

I agree with you. This puts Clearlake/BlueCo in good standing if they had no knowledge of these transactions, assuming courts can prove the validity of such payments and if these payments led to the club bypassing FFP. 

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

From top to bottom nobody is clean.

 This is why I anticipate a fine more than a points deduction (although I am not ruling out the latter as I did previously given the nature of it). 

A points deduction would definitely set a very, very strong precedent, not something I'd expect the FA to look forward to as not one club in this league can confidentially say they would be glad to have an open investigation on their finances going back 10-15 years. 

Off the record third party payments, consulting fees, agent fees, image rights, etc, is likely something that happens every day. 

26 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I expect the book is thrown at us. Just have to look back how awfully the club, and fans, were treated by the government vendetta to expect the same from the PL.

Does not tarnish what we have achieved in the slightest for me though. The sport is corrupt. It is within Fifa, Uefa, the FA, the PL and all the respective clubs. Back handed payments, admitted corruption within the referee brotherhood. 

From top to bottom nobody is clean.

They`ll probably just shut the club down mate, no doubt about it....

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

But again didn't UK government and Premier League oversee/review the sale to Clearlake? This also included a thorough review of all the assets etc. So knowingly selling "damaged goods" would also open them up for a massive legal case I think .

Overseeing the sale wouldn't have included a forensic examination of the books going back 10 or more years and only a forensic examination would have revealed the problems. Clearlake, wisely, did undertake such a forensic examination.

1 hour ago, dkw said:

They`ll probably just shut the club down mate, no doubt about it....

Nah the government wanted to do that but realized they could not without facing significant legal ramifications so backed down to the forced sale.

FA and PL cannot do that unless they make us go broke. So either they get Clearlake to pi$$ off or have to accept we will still be about. 

 

Perhaps in league 2 but still about lol

2 hours ago, dermott said:

Overseeing the sale wouldn't have included a forensic examination of the books going back 10 or more years and only a forensic examination would have revealed the problems. Clearlake, wisely, did undertake such a forensic examination.

These new reports are a leak that were payments not on the books, hence Clearlake/the FA having zero knowledge of it. 

Now its about proving the validity of these payments and whether or not they attributed to the club bypassing FFP. 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I was under the opinion this would only be a fine, but these new reports are allegedly a leak from inside the club....

It's now whether or not BlueCo/Clearlake can invalidate these reports which contain undeclared payments that had us bypass FFP (Using Roman's third party companies to buy Conte, Hazard's agent fee, etc). Points deduction is possible given the legitimate of these claims. 

Hate to say it but it does tarnish a lot of our silverware if these are proven true. 

 

 

I think that may be a bit of a stretch though tbh. I get the sentiment and there is some grounding to it, particularly where Hazard is concerned, but the inference that our success is tarnished because we nicked Willian from under Tottenham's noses and we signed Samuel Eto'o is a bit thin imo.

Bit like saying all of Man City's success is baseless because the deals to sign Kolarov, Robinho, and Dzjeko were dodgy.

28 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

I think that may be a bit of a stretch though tbh. I get the sentiment and there is some grounding to it, particularly where Hazard is concerned, but the inference that our success is tarnished because we nicked Willian from under Tottenham's noses and we signed Samuel Eto'o is a bit thin imo.

Bit like saying all of Man City's success is baseless because the deals to sign Kolarov, Robinho, and Dzjeko were dodgy.

I mean there is also the Conte report where a third party owned by Roman paid out £6m to an association connected to Conte just days before we appointed him as manager. Include Hazard's purchase, those are two pretty significant influences on the silverware we've won which that came as a result of evading FFP. It's cheating plain and simple.  This is the exact same energy I am applying to City and their breaches. 

Again, right now its a matter of if courts can prove the validity of these payments. 

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by Sconnie Blue

29 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

I mean there is also the Conte report where a third party owned by Roman paid out £6m to an association connected to Conte just days before we appointed him as manager. Include Hazard's purchase, those are two pretty significant influences on the silverware we've won which that came as a result of evading FFP. It's cheating plain and simple.  This is the exact same energy I am applying to City and their breaches. 

Again, right now its a matter of if courts can prove the validity of these payments. 

Is there a rich person or organization that are wealthy that are completely clean? 

Is Roman's money, he can do with it what he wants. If he wants to give Hazards agent a bonus that's up to him

Roman is not Chelsea FC, not is Chelsea FC Roman.

Edited November 16, 20232 yr by axman2526

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Is there a rich person or organization that are wealthy that are completely clean? 

Is Roman's money, he can do with it what he wants. If he wants to give Hazards agent a bonus that's up to him

Roman is not Chelsea FC, not is Chelsea FC Roman.

Chelsea FC is an entity that must apply to the financial fair play regulations as any club does. If Roman wants to give Hazard a bonus or give his father/agent a big fat commission check, it must be declared on the financial statements. The fact that they weren't therein lies the issue. Particularly if it can be proved that these payments helped the club evade FFP penalties. 

As I stated above, not one club in this league would welcome in open arms a financial investigation of their books going the past 10-15 years. 

36 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Chelsea FC is an entity that must apply to the financial fair play regulations as any club does. If Roman wants to give Hazard a bonus or give his father/agent a big fat commission check, it must be declared on the financial statements. The fact that they weren't therein lies the issue. Particularly if it can be proved that these payments helped the club evade FFP penalties. 

As I stated above, not one club in this league would welcome in open arms a financial investigation of their books going the past 10-15 years. 

Aye Chelsea FC must. Roman with his own personal fortune does not have to.

If he wants to buy Marina a pair of diamond earrings, his son a sports car, Edens dad a Bentley, he can, is his money. If it came through Chelsea FC accounts though then we have have issue.