31 minutes ago, DarkMata said:

Correct me if Im wrong here but wasn't there an agreement when buying the club that we would not be entered into the European Super League?

I faintly remember in being mentioned plus other things.

No, the conditions of sale mainly involved things like not taking dividends out of the club and not selling shares. TB has referred to an ESL but said the revised CL served most of the same purpose.

 

4 hours ago, The Rising Sun said:

I think you're right. I've seen the same thing on the Citeh and Everton site. 

The EPL uncovered nothing at all in ours and City's cases, it came from leaks , hacks and even ourselves giving evidence that the EPL were unaware of.

On KUMB West ham site they can't believe their ex finance director is on the adjudicating panel.

I was looking at the Bruce Grobbelar match fixing years ago.

Alan Ball gave evidence that he thought it was impossible for a goalkeeper to fix a game !!, 

If I remember correctly Hans Segers was found guilty of fixing year ago. There was always a lot of suspicion around the way Wimbledon threw away a 2 goal lead to allow Everton to stay up with a 3-2 win on the last day of the 93-94 season. Segers was scrutinized heavily for that performance.

On 22/11/2023 at 14:45, The Rising Sun said:

So, one of the members of the " independent" adjudication panel that gave the 10 point Everton penalty is the former West Ham Finance director who was part of the Dodgy Tevez and the other fellow ( Marcherono)  ? Transfer deal. which saw relegated Sheffield United being compensated as a result

Suddenly acting tough now when faced with the Government imposed oversight panel is revealing  more about the governance of the game than it does about football clubs.

The first investigation should be into the EPL and how a former club director who was part of irregularities is allowed to judge other clubs

 

Sadly the rules re appointing someone to the PLs Disciplinary Panel don’t disqualify those that have, in the past, been a club director.

The rules around this had been voted for by then” shareholders (20 PL  clubs + the FA) so they all know the conditions 

Everton got a 10 point deduction for overspending by £20m. 

How much of Todd's spending do we think was in the hope we would be back in the champions league? 

I am very worried. We dont look like a top 6 side. I can see these £20m loan signings being the death of us when we find we cant pass ffp, and the squad we created is worse than the one we tore apart. 

Really falling out of love with the game. Hate what we have become under this ownership, and it wouldnt be anywhere near as bad, if hadnt spent a truly ridiculous amount of money. 

Just now, big blue said:

Everton got a 10 point deduction for overspending by £20m. 

How much of Todd's spending do we think was in the hope we would be back in the champions league? 

I am very worried. We dont look like a top 6 side. I can see these £20m loan signings being the death of us when we find we cant pass ffp, and the squad we created is worse than the one we tore apart. 

Really falling out of love with the game. Hate what we have become under this ownership, and it wouldnt be anywhere near as bad, if hadnt spent a truly ridiculous amount of money. 

It's coming, whatever the owners did they did it carelessly and it's going to come back and hurt them unless a miracle happens and we suddenly end up having a few world class players and a manager that isn't washed.

I think I'd take a bankruptcy if it meant we could get Bohely and clearlake out of our club.

When we were being taken over I like most thought of Glazer style ownership as a worst case scenario but I'd take that now.

Don't have any faith in the long term future of the Club with such incompetent morons running the shop.  You can spend big.  Or you can cheap out on poor prospects and young players.

What you can't do is spend big on the poor prospects and young players and that's what we've done.  It's a financial nightmare.

Edited November 25, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

12 minutes ago, big blue said:

Everton got a 10 point deduction for overspending by £20m. 

How much of Todd's spending do we think was in the hope we would be back in the champions league? 

I am very worried. We dont look like a top 6 side. I can see these £20m loan signings being the death of us when we find we cant pass ffp, and the squad we created is worse than the one we tore apart. 

Really falling out of love with the game. Hate what we have become under this ownership, and it wouldnt be anywhere near as bad, if hadnt spent a truly ridiculous amount of money. 

As long as we can stay in the Premier League, we can probably pay for these players over the next 6 or so years. But what that would mean is that we can't sign any players, not without European football money. Without European football, any money we make will need to go towards paying clubs what we owe.

Where the f**k would we be without Sterling.....

10 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Where the f**k would we be without Sterling.....

Would have lost 4-0 instead of 4-1.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Would have lost 4-0 instead of 4-1.

We'd be 17th. 

32 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

We'd be 17th. 

Wait for the points deduction.

Roman installed a winning at all cost mentality, and general discipline. For the most part we saw these qualities in our teams during his reign.

 

Todd and Co have helped install a spirt of apathy. We are a banter clubs, full of losers now.

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Roman installed a winning at all cost mentality, and general discipline. For the most part we saw these qualities in our teams during his reign.

 

Todd and Co have helped install a spirt of apathy. We are a banter clubs, full of losers now.

But but but..

The this wasn't the feeling on here for the last few weeks. 

What's changed ?

Surely not one sh*t game has reversed all the praise being showered on the team ?

I cant believe fans are fickle, is it a new phenomenon, even I'm having a minor crisis of confidence in our club 

😂

 

On 23/11/2023 at 17:35, forbzy said:

If I remember correctly Hans Segers was found guilty of fixing year ago. There was always a lot of suspicion around the way Wimbledon threw away a 2 goal lead to allow Everton to stay up with a 3-2 win on the last day of the 93-94 season. Segers was scrutinized heavily for that performance.

And Everton fans torched the Wimbledon team bus the night before. Read any account of it and it's just passionate fans doing everything to support and get behind their team

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

But but but..

The this wasn't the feeling on here for the last few weeks. 

What's changed ?

Surely not one sh*t game has reversed all the praise being showered on the team ?

I cant believe fans are fickle, is it a new phenomenon, even I'm having a minor crisis of confidence in our club 

😂

 

Lol, won't find such posts of mine giving them praise.

5 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

But but but..

The this wasn't the feeling on here for the last few weeks. 

What's changed ?

The football has started.

It was the same story before the season, most people I talk to are realistic that we're a midtable team but there are a couple wallys online that think we have a young squad of top talents.  It's pure Delusion because it isn't based on anything on the pitch but whenever we're not playing they talk about our potential and how we're building something special and about the quality of our young players (based on fifa no doubt)

When these players actually play they're consistently poor and have achieved consistently poor results so the positivity evaporates.

Give it 3 or 4 days or until the next good result and we'll suddenly have a bunch of great prospects again.

As they say hope springs eternal.

Edited November 25, 20232 yr by Whats_The_Mata?

Just now, axman2526 said:

Lol, won't find such posts of mine giving them praise.

C'mon Axe, surely there was praise last few weeks ?

But knowing u .......🤣

2 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

C'mon Axe, surely there was praise last few weeks ?

But knowing u .......🤣

Praise for some aye, not for the owners though.

Just now, axman2526 said:

Praise for some aye, not for the owners though.

I've said before that there was little that needed fixing when they took over.

A time to take stock and consider what changes to make especially for owners unfamiliar with the game was required.

We got the opposite.

I 

 

 

Ruined the club.

It's a good job we didn't really spend £1 billion on players because actually we sold players and put new ones on long contracts , otherwise we would look daft if we had laid out that sort of money to end up where we are.

 

27 minutes ago, Zeta said:

Ruined the club.

Replace a winner like TT with losers  like Potter and Pochettino. Results are not a surprise.

1 hour ago, The Rising Sun said:

I've said before that there was little that needed fixing when they took over.

A time to take stock and consider what changes to make especially for owners unfamiliar with the game was required.

We got the opposite.

I 

 

 

Yes. Some changes were needed but could have been done over several years. Certainly if they had kept the existing management structure in place to make football decisions for at least a year that would have been a massive help. A classic case of new owners trying to rebuild an organization their own way for the sake of it. Happens a lot in business takeovers but that strategy often fails.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Replace a winner like TT with losers  like Potter and Pochettino. Results are not a surprise.

Results followed the path that TT started.  I kept saying " at least we've got that performance out the way " only to see it happening again and again.

Anyway, beating Tottenham is going to have to stand in for a trophy or a top 6 finish this season 

 

The world was a different place when Roman took over Chelsea. He changed football, almost overnight. With it came a desire, drive and ruthlessness that ran throughout the club, top to bottom. Anything less than that standard was unacceptable. 

We are beyond soft now. We lack any discipline, and no better examples than Poch watching from the stands for prior infringements, Jackson getting 5 yellows after almost as many games, or Reece today. 

You then look at the staff and entire supporting culture. Newcastle, for whatever we say about their Saudi owners, have a bench of staff and players that all know just how much is at stake. Pep does the same. As does Klopp, and Arteta is now doing it. 

Im concerned at just how easy we make it for teams. We look awful in defeat, turn wins into draws repeatedly, and have to do so much more just to win a game. 

Roman, Jose, Carlo, JT, Frank, Drogs, Essien, Ballack, Maka, Hazard, Fab to name but a few key individuals - we seem so far from the levels these men all brought, home or away, rain or shine. We can coach ability all day, but if players don’t have the right attitude or will to win, then it’s a long road back to being competitive. 

Not good enough.