23 minutes ago, evissy said:

I have trust in Boehly but there have been plenty of bumps in the road so far. He's cleaned all the decisionmakers out the door so he can bring his people in. I think it is a good thing although that is also risky. Tuchel is a brilliant coach but can be difficult person to work with. We knew all of this before he even came to Chelsea. He didn't fit the vision. Boehly wants to run a business where communication routes are open to every direction. TT stopped communicating and the results sealed his fate.

Anyway we probably must accept this takes time and Boehly needs to understand in Europe things are not always dependent on money where as in USA it must be much simpler. Money rules. Liverpool and MU owners have seen this. 

And all I have heard on TalkSport this morning is Souness and Jordan arguing the sacking of Tuchel and the behaviour of Boehly.  Souness saying his sources are telling him the same as Rio's, that Boehly was interfering too much, Jordan somewhat defending Boehly in terms of lack of communication and getting no help from Tuchel.  Which ever way this all went down, as a club we have to pick up the pieces because unless Boehly or TT come out and give a truthful interview only they know what went down.  

What I find strange is that most of the pundits etc over the last couple of years have been applauding Potter and how great he is and should be the next England manager and that many high profile clubs will try and get him....now that he has landed here, (one of the most detested successful clubs in the league)the pundits etc are saying he's going to fall flat on his face and will be clueless about managing a big club etc...talk about hypocrisy.    What TT offered at the end of last season and the beginning of this, was turgid, boring football and on top of that he was getting somewhat touchy and wound up when things didn't go according to plan...wrong team selection, wrong set up, wrong tactics and all he did for the most part was to blame the players.  Yes, no doubt under some stress with new ownership, the transfer window, players wrongly speaking out, private life etc.  Rightly or wrongly the writing was on the wall...he's gone...time to move on.  

There is talk that many of the transfers were down to Boehly...I'm not so sure. While Cucurella signing did seem odd at the time, we all knew that Alonso wanted out and that there really was no decent back up to Chillwell. Cucurella to me seems like a TT selection rather than a Boehly one. What would Boehly know about Cucurella anyway to form such an opinion so quickly? There is no doubt that TT did not get all the players he wanted and some may have been 2nd choices, although I would suggest that Fofana was likely TT's choice over Kounde.  Did TT want DeLight - maybe he did, as with Raphinha.  I suspect that Boehly made himself Temp Director of Football purely for the negotiation during the transfer window, after all he is apparently a good negotiator, not for the player choice as this is where he wanted the help from TT, who apparently didn't turn up very often to the meetings but sent an agent instead, if the discussion between Souness and Jordan is to be believed.

I guess we will see how all this pans out over the next month or two, or we will see the genesis of the Boehly Chelsea revolution in tonights game.   I think we should all reserve our judgement for at least a few weeks....then you can shout and scream CLEARLAKE OUT and join the thousands of United fans wanting to get rid of billionaire American owners and wait for middle east money.  

If their was a breakdown in communication and Todd was getting no help, it was down to Todd cutting the communication line that was Petr Cech.

Also if communication did breakdown, the new players we just purchased. will not be TT's players, you can't say communication broke down and then say Tuchel chose those players, that just sounds like Todd really has no clue what he's doing.

43 minutes ago, CFCCAN said:

There is talk that many of the transfers were down to Boehly...I'm not so sure. While Cucurella signing did seem odd at the time, we all knew that Alonso wanted out and that there really was no decent back up to Chillwell. Cucurella to me seems like a TT selection rather than a Boehly one. What would Boehly know about Cucurella anyway to form such an opinion so quickly? There is no doubt that TT did not get all the players he wanted and some may have been 2nd choices, although I would suggest that Fofana was likely TT's choice over Kounde.  Did TT want DeLight - maybe he did, as with Raphinha.  I suspect that Boehly made himself Temp Director of Football purely for the negotiation during the transfer window, after all he is apparently a good negotiator, not for the player choice as this is where he wanted the help from TT, who apparently didn't turn up very often to the meetings but sent an agent instead, if the discussion between Souness and Jordan is to be believed.

I'm not sure about that. Every sign during the transfer window indicated that Boehly was supporting Tuchel with his choices, and all of us in here thought that was happening. Cucurella looked like a Tuchel choice to get a wingback, CBs also were Tuchel's choice, we can't deny that Auba is a Tuchel signing either, and late in the transfer window. The only failings were De Ligt, who never wanted to leave Barcelona, and Raphinha, who finally went to Barcelona of his own accord. So it was obvious that Boehly was supporting the coach, and that TT was very much involved in the choice of players. And that is what makes the whole sacking bizarre. Boehly brought TT's players, including Auba at the last minute, only to sack him a few days later. To me, the way Boehly has been working during the transfer window and the sacking of Tuchel and posterior contract of Potter, suggests that he's not got a clear plan yet, or that he still needs to learn how football works and his plan was not working out well. It will take time for him to settle down in European football, and he'll get there. But that makes all the staff sacking (Cech, Marina Granovskaia, etc) more bizarre, as he could have used them during the transfer window to learn the trade and then move on to bring in his team.

Luis Campos now rumored. 

43 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Luis Campos now rumored. 

He has been bit he just started at PSG and has a very strong bond with their new manager.

Todd Boehly has been doing an interview at some conference which was really interesting.

Some of the main cliff notes:

- He said him and the other owners know that they're aren't going to be the experts and they're working to get the best experts at the club to deal with that side

- Tuchel was sacked because his vision wasn't aligned with the new owners. Boehly said “Tuchel is extremely talented and had great success, our vision for the club was finding a manager that wanted to collaborate with us but we weren’t sure Thomas saw our vision the same way we saw it, we didn’t have a shared vision”

- Boehly said he wants to create a network of teams like Red Bull and Man City, he said that it will be better for our academy when loaning them out, instead of putting their future in someone else's hands we will have control over it

 

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Todd Boehly has been doing an interview at some conference which was really interesting.

Some of the main cliff notes:

- He said him and the other owners know that they're aren't going to be the experts and they're working to get the best experts at the club to deal with that side

- Tuchel was sacked because his vision wasn't aligned with the new owners. Boehly said “Tuchel is extremely talented and had great success, our vision for the club was finding a manager that wanted to collaborate with us but we weren’t sure Thomas saw our vision the same way we saw it, we didn’t have a shared vision”

- Boehly said he wants to create a network of teams like Red Bull and Man City, he said that it will be better for our academy when loaning them out, instead of putting their future in someone else's hands we will have control over it

 

 

 

 

I'm glad he at least has a vision for the youth development which is something we've struggled with over the years.

22 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Todd Boehly has been doing an interview at some conference which was really interesting.

Some of the main cliff notes:

- He said him and the other owners know that they're aren't going to be the experts and they're working to get the best experts at the club to deal with that side

- Tuchel was sacked because his vision wasn't aligned with the new owners. Boehly said “Tuchel is extremely talented and had great success, our vision for the club was finding a manager that wanted to collaborate with us but we weren’t sure Thomas saw our vision the same way we saw it, we didn’t have a shared vision”

- Boehly said he wants to create a network of teams like Red Bull and Man City, he said that it will be better for our academy when loaning them out, instead of putting their future in someone else's hands we will have control over it

 

 

 

 

Good share, thank you. Let's see where the club is when they have everything in place.

38 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I'm glad he at least has a vision for the youth development which is something we've struggled with over the years.

I imagine that's where it largely broke down. You see the investment they made in the dev team and Tuchel probably wanted nothing to do with that side of the club. They obviously wanted a coach who could plot sustainable paths with Neil Bath. The issue is that every top manager of the last 20ish years worked/works more independently than that. They get points for the risky play but I just wish it never came at the expense of TT. 

The exciting bit is the multi-club model. We've had the best academy over the last decade but it's a massive struggle getting dev team players a viable next step. 

3 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

I imagine that's where it largely broke down. You see the investment they made in the dev team and Tuchel probably wanted nothing to do with that side of the club. They obviously wanted a coach who could plot sustainable paths with Neil Bath. The issue is that every top manager of the last 20ish years worked/works more independently than that. They get points for the risky play but I just wish it never came at the expense of TT. 

The exciting bit is the multi-club model. We've had the best academy over the last decade but it's a massive struggle getting dev team players a viable next step. 

Don't we already have Vitesse as one of our Multi club settup?

4 hours ago, RMH said:

I'm not sure about that. Every sign during the transfer window indicated that Boehly was supporting Tuchel with his choices, and all of us in here thought that was happening. Cucurella looked like a Tuchel choice to get a wingback, CBs also were Tuchel's choice, we can't deny that Auba is a Tuchel signing either, and late in the transfer window. The only failings were De Ligt, who never wanted to leave Barcelona, and Raphinha, who finally went to Barcelona of his own accord. So it was obvious that Boehly was supporting the coach, and that TT was very much involved in the choice of players. And that is what makes the whole sacking bizarre. Boehly brought TT's players, including Auba at the last minute, only to sack him a few days later. To me, the way Boehly has been working during the transfer window and the sacking of Tuchel and posterior contract of Potter, suggests that he's not got a clear plan yet, or that he still needs to learn how football works and his plan was not working out well. It will take time for him to settle down in European football, and he'll get there. But that makes all the staff sacking (Cech, Marina Granovskaia, etc) more bizarre, as he could have used them during the transfer window to learn the trade and then move on to bring in his team.

I agree; it seemed a rather off the cuff comment by Souness rather than from reliable sources, as I said it didn't really make much sense.  As later posts have explained, TT simply didn't have the same vision as the Boehly and in any corporation that's not going to hold well.  The outcome then was inevitable, that TT had to find somewhere else to peddle his ideas.  Reading between the lines, it's seems he likes to work alone or with a very small team that has to align with what he wants or he's not playing ball....I see it every day in my job with some Directors and high profile VP's having been shown the door because they did not have the same vision as the CEO and Board.   

7 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Don't we already have Vitesse as one of our Multi club settup?

Kind of but honestly we just loan players there and expecting them to reproduce when they come back. Kind of like what is happening to Gallagher at the moment. He played well at Crystal Palace but is struggling with us at the moment because of how different we play. From what I understood from the interview, this new model will actually prepare players to play for Chelsea which I imagine will be preparing them for whatever style of football the Men's and Women's first team are playing.

42 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Don't we already have Vitesse as one of our Multi club settup?

The Eredivise is generally pretty poor though, some of the clubs aren't even Championship level. Mason Mount is the only successful Vitesse loan I can remember

2 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

The Eredivise is generally pretty poor though, some of the clubs aren't even Championship level. Mason Mount is the only successful Vitesse loan I can remember

So we could do with a Austrian club and a German club as starters then. Be interesting to see how they set that up.

Christoph Freund the front runner to be DoF. 

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

Christoph Freund the front runner to be DoF. 

@Valerie will appreciate part of this lol":

 

 

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1 hour ago, timetowaste said:

Todd Boehly has been doing an interview at some conference which was really interesting.

Some of the main cliff notes:

- He said him and the other owners know that they're aren't going to be the experts and they're working to get the best experts at the club to deal with that side

- Tuchel was sacked because his vision wasn't aligned with the new owners. Boehly said “Tuchel is extremely talented and had great success, our vision for the club was finding a manager that wanted to collaborate with us but we weren’t sure Thomas saw our vision the same way we saw it, we didn’t have a shared vision”

- Boehly said he wants to create a network of teams like Red Bull and Man City, he said that it will be better for our academy when loaning them out, instead of putting their future in someone else's hands we will have control over it

 

 

 

 

Still think the sacking was a disgrace but the fact that he's emphasising the academy and youth development seems very promising. Is Graham Potter known for develpoing young players?

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Salzburg DoF, apparently. If this turns out to be true, I can’t help to think that Boehly is just making it up as we play teams. But maybe he’s a great talent, who knows!

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

 

 

 

Yeah this is a really good sign if true, huge upgrade on Marina. We have 10x the resources that Salzburg have

I still think getting rid of Buck, Granovskaia and Cech was down to not having anything leaking back to Roman. 

Anything major stays within the club.

If you consider Boehly's involvement with the team this summer, along with Tuchel's PSG and Dortmund history, a falling out was bound to happen sooner or later. Cech and Marina basically let Tuchel do his thing. This in itself lies the biggest problem. With a DoF appointed, this person will be involved in the day to day activities of the club. On all aspects. The closest thing we had was Emenalo. And he was sh*t. 

Like it or not, a DoF is what this club desperately needs for sustainability. And if Tuchel wasn't for it, then I agree with the sacking. 

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1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

@Valerie will appreciate part of this lol":

 

 

You're right @axman2526, I like him already!