3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

Can we please nip this nonsense in the bud. All managers have involvement in transfers, no manager ever owns transfers. And in the case of tuchel, it sounds like he didn't want to be responsible for transfers. 

So are you saying he didn't want any of these signings, or did he just supply TB with a list of nice to haves? 

TT likely hand a part in Auba, Sterling, Koulabily & CooCooRella but the younger players signed by analytics scouting, hence Bully after Gordon whom TT didnt fancy (just gleamed from reading multiple media stories today)

A logical ( if there's such a thing ) explanation be Boehly wanted his own manager as soon as he took over, just like he got rid ( or let go ) all the other senior people at the club. He could have ( and should have) done it at the start of the season, but probably didn't want cause a PR sh*tstorm so he just want bid his time. As soon as we failed to hit the season running, he stepped in and got rid of Tuchel. Last night was just the good timing he was hoping for, if not it be the next time we lose a game. We all knew we'd struggle at the start after that sh*tshow in the American tour and inability to get players in time, now it explains why the lack of urgency in the transfer market.  It's not like Tuchel just lost it in 4-5 weeks, he's on the chop before the season even started.

7 hours ago, CFCCAN said:

So are you saying he didn't want any of these signings, or did he just supply TB with a list of nice to haves? 

That there are multiple people who input into a decision and Tuchel was one of them. Same as before. Except this time around Tuchel was more involved. This idea that managers have signings that are or aren't theirs is too simplistic. 

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5 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

A logical ( if there's such a thing ) explanation be Boehly wanted his own manager as soon as he took over, just like he got rid ( or let go ) all the other senior people at the club. He could have ( and should have) done it at the start of the season, but probably didn't want cause a PR sh*tstorm so he just want bid his time. As soon as we failed to hit the season running, he stepped in and got rid of Tuchel. Last night was just the good timing he was hoping for, if not it be the next time we lose a game. We all knew we'd struggle at the start after that sh*tshow in the American tour and inability to get players in time, now it explains why the lack of urgency in the transfer market.  It's not like Tuchel just lost it in 4-5 weeks, he's on the chop before the season even started.

That seems to be the view of a lot of the journalists covering the story and I think the same too. It looks like Boehly has always wanted his own manager all along and chose to stick with Tuchel because it would be a PR nightmare to start the ownership of the club by firing a manger that won three trophies in the last season and a half. Our poor form and all the other player-manager relationship issues were just an easy excuse to get rid him. Also there are reports that say he was even going to be fired regardless of the Zagreb game result so this was a longtime coming. 

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12 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I hope Roman was VERY, VERY sure he let the right people by the club.

I don't have an issue with them replacing TT, if they want their own man fair enough. I have an issue of when they have done it. Roman gave Claudio a season to show what he can do. If they were convinced TT needed to go on the US tour, why keep his and buy players he wants only to sack him 6 days after the window closes? Just seems so stupid.

A lot of people are beginning to speculate that most of these weren't Tuchel's signings, especially since there are reports that he didn't want to take on the extra responsibility of player recruitment. If most of the players signed in the window weren't picked by Tuchel then I can see how easier it would be for them to fire him versus Tuchel actually signing the players. 

20 hours ago, coco said:

This bloke is a fool, a rich fool.

The fans will want him out by Christmas when the new gaffer struggles to turn crap into gold.

Could be the shortest ownership we ever had.

Fans don't really have a say in the ownership(though they are partial to overstating their importance).

Money does. 

I don't agree that the players weren't Tuchel signings, aubemyang and fofana in particular will tell you 100% the club was taking Tuchels lead including sending Lukaku back to Inter.

If you check the history of Tuchel with other clubs after a while he starts falling out with players, at dortmund and psg, same thing happened here and there was no plan B from him to change our way of play. 

As painful as it is Boehly made the right decision to change managers.

15 minutes ago, Gentian said:

I don't agree that the players weren't Tuchel signings, aubemyang and fofana in particular will tell you 100% the club was taking Tuchels lead including sending Lukaku back to Inter.

If you check the history of Tuchel with other clubs after a while he starts falling out with players, at dortmund and psg, same thing happened here and there was no plan B from him to change our way of play. 

As painful as it is Boehly made the right decision to change managers.

Fofana by some accounts wasn't Tuchel but "the data". Whilst everyone keeps saying Auba was only Tuchel but I just don't see it that way. Auba makes sense to me regardless of who is manager. A cheap option who you can be confident scores goals in the PL, if he hadn't played with Tuchel before no one would question it. 

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I love how most pundits are criticising Todd without really knowing the full picture and not really understanding that situations can deteriorate - which is clearly what happened. 
 

They've also been almost praising Roman’s approach now that he’s left - after years of slating him saying he’s trigger happy. The only pundits I listen to are the Chelsea ones as they fully understand it. I haven’t heard one Chelsea pundit say its a mistake to get rid of Tuchel yet. They all agree the football and results have dropped. 

8 hours ago, General said:

I think its a mixed bag, lots of posters angry about sacking TT and lining up Potter, but these new owners -

Have opened their wallets up big time and invested in players (might not be all our cup of tea but they've spent)

Cleared out a lot of dead wood permanently- Barkley, Bats, Kenedy, Emerson, Miazga, Alonso, Werner 

Have acted decisively when the football on the pitch has started to falter 

Have a replacement lined up to be in head coach position for the next round of EPL

Like them or not we are stuck with them and that's better than going out of business under the Tory jackboot, at least they are making football decisions albeit bad ones per some posters and not hiding in the shadows to monetize the club's commercial interests for a dividend like the Glazers 

Yes agree 

however you got to assume that someone is advising the board on the football side because this is a bold move for someone who has only been in the game a few months 

of course I really hope this works out, i am not sure we got great value for money from the signings,  Boehly seems to have a scatter gun approach which worries me, but it is early days 

 

His approach has been nothing but madness. Handed himself the DOF role instead of trusting those who knows football, f* around 2 months in the transfer market, got most of the expensive deals done towards the end and players had little time to settle in. Fired the manager after the first time we had a look at the new striker, and second game for the most expensive CD. Despite our poor start, it's not like we are in relegation zone, for f* sake we are still ahead of Liverpool. Now we going for Potter, who's a good builder but has no experience in managing big teams that demand instant success. It's not like we had Pep or Klopp waiting after we sacked Tuchel.  Potter be stupid to turn us down for the sake of the money, but he inherited someone's team, transfer window is closed, he got no time to build the team, it's all about getting results. If that's not a risk, I don't know what is.  Roman had his own way of ruthlessness, but at least he gave Raneri a real go when he first too over.

I have a feeling this was not planned yet a falling out after the midweek match and with no Peter Cech to mediate Boehly spoke directly to Tuchel and some hot words were spoken with no going back.

The only good thing is we have not get a highly rated dead duck as a manager yet at least someone that shows potential. 

Of course no guarantees of success yet it might improve us for a while.

 

1 hour ago, strider6004 said:

I have a feeling this was not planned yet a falling out after the midweek match and with no Peter Cech to mediate Boehly spoke directly to Tuchel and some hot words were spoken with no going back.

The only good thing is we have not get a highly rated dead duck as a manager yet at least someone that shows potential. 

Of course no guarantees of success yet it might improve us for a while.

 

If we hadn't have acted as swiftly it is highly likely that we would have ended up with Rodgers. Just imagine. Potter is being questioned on here as to whther it is the smart move. The alterntaive is the biggest choker in english football with a club currently bottom or the biggest choker in European football who came second in a one team league having also choked at Spuds.

2 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

If we hadn't have acted as swiftly it is highly likely that we would have ended up with Rodgers. Just imagine. Potter is being questioned on here as to whther it is the smart move. The alterntaive is the biggest choker in english football with a club currently bottom or the biggest choker in European football who came second in a one team league having also choked at Spuds.

So glad we did not go for Rogers.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

If we hadn't have acted as swiftly it is highly likely that we would have ended up with Rodgers. Just imagine. Potter is being questioned on here as to whther it is the smart move. The alterntaive is the biggest choker in english football with a club currently bottom or the biggest choker in European football who came second in a one team league having also choked at Spuds.

I see Rodgers as being a decent manager but with a shelf life of 2 years at a club. Like many managers in the game. 

8 hours ago, Gentian said:

I don't agree that the players weren't Tuchel signings, aubemyang and fofana in particular will tell you 100% the club was taking Tuchels lead including sending Lukaku back to Inter.

If you check the history of Tuchel with other clubs after a while he starts falling out with players, at dortmund and psg, same thing happened here and there was no plan B from him to change our way of play. 

As painful as it is Boehly made the right decision to change managers.

"He fell out with the players"........I have seen this same line used for every single manager we have sacked for 20 years now, almost like somebody inside the club is being asked to feed the media bullsh*t.

It will be interesting watching the excuses come out when these same players fail under Potter. I'm sure we will get the usual new manager bounce, and those that are quick to forget will be saying "see, it was Tuchel's fault" but a few months later, those players will revert to type, nothing will improve, the performances will turn to sh*t and those same fans will buy all of the "he fell out with the players" spin from the media when Potter is added to the massive list of sacked managers at Chelsea football club.

We're a circus.

7 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

"He fell out with the players"........I have seen this same line used for every single manager we have sacked for 20 years now, almost like somebody inside the club is being asked to feed the media bullsh*t.

It will be interesting watching the excuses come out when these same players fail under Potter. I'm sure we will get the usual new manager bounce, and those that are quick to forget will be saying "see, it was Tuchel's fault" but a few months later, those players will revert to type, nothing will improve, the performances will turn to sh*t and those same fans will buy all of the "he fell out with the players" spin from the media when Potter is added to the massive list of sacked managers at Chelsea football club.

We're a circus.

More like players fell out with him which is not a first by the way and constant excuses for the results no wonder Boehly replaced him. Normally it saddens me when we change managers but hand to heart i couldn't see how Tuchel was going to turn this around. Even cucurrella and koulibaly that looked brilliant first game turned to sh*t after a few weeks with us! 

24 minutes ago, Gentian said:

More like players fell out with him which is not a first by the way and constant excuses for the results no wonder Boehly replaced him. Normally it saddens me when we change managers but hand to heart i couldn't see how Tuchel was going to turn this around. Even cucurrella and koulibaly that looked brilliant first game turned to sh*t after a few weeks with us! 

The players fell out without Lampard too, and Conte and Mourinho, and pretty much every other manager we have sacked, it's almost like it's something that happens in football no matter where you go. Even Guardiola and Klopp fall out with their players, but we're one of those clubs that use it as an excuse to sack the manager.

5 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The players fell out without Lampard too, and Conte and Mourinho, and pretty much every other manager we have sacked, it's almost like it's something that happens in football no matter where you go. Even Guardiola and Klopp fall out with their players, but we're one of those clubs that use it as an excuse to sack the manager.

The greatest manager in EPL history threw a hairdryer at David Beckham and Roy Keane on separate occasions, he also threw a lot of other stuff at players, he had a fierce reputation amongst players.

On TS Jim White etc. claim inside sources - New owners decided to sack TT a week ago before Pikeys match and ID Potter as a potential successor 

They gave him the tic tac because they perceived him (TT) to be-

A loner, who wouldn't buy into their strategy, was inflexible and there was so much friction around signings that they were all in the end 100% Board endorsed signings.

Potter has obviously agreed to drink their baseball themed koolade! (could he be just a Yes man? , lets see if he continually starts Pully then!)

 

5 hours ago, coco said:

The greatest manager in EPL history threw a hairdryer at David Beckham and Roy Keane on separate occasions, he also threw a lot of other stuff at players, he had a fierce reputation amongst players.

Beckham of course, but I'm pretty certain Ferguson never threw a hair dryer at Roy Mental. He would have picked it up shoved it up Slur Alix's arse and turned on the "super hot blow dry" button.

And who is that as your new avatar Coco?

30 minutes ago, just said:

Beckham of course, but I'm pretty certain Ferguson never threw a hair dryer at Roy Mental. He would have picked it up shoved it up Slur Alix's arse and turned on the "super hot blow dry" button.

And who is that as your new avatar Coco?

Brain Potter of Phoenix Nights.

Way we are spending I wonder if Jeff Bezos is a secret part owner...

16 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Way we are spending I wonder if Jeff Bezos is a secret part owner...

We're spending the £800 debt financed loan obtained during the summer.

from massive debt to no debt to very large debt !