On clueless owners many years ago  a documentary on Sullivan and Brady at Brum.

They are playing away to Pompey and Sullivan is encouraging his team and players  until....someone has to tell him the team in blue is actually Portsmouth !

 " But I thought that WE played in blue" 

I get that there is still anger, but for me, I give kudos to Todd & co for acting swiftly and being decisive.

They have come in, put their dollars where their mouth is, and genuinely shaken up how the club is run. It seems like they have a long term vision, want us to plan for the long term, have a manager who is involved in that planning and on board, and also want to learn the game along the way.

By all reports, Tuchel didnt want to be a part of that, to the extent that the board wanted. Reports are he didnt want to be part of the transfer planning, didnt want to be part of the DoF planning, didnt want to have an open and candid conversation with the owners about footballing decisions and didnt really want to play our youth (I read he was only the 2nd chelsea manager not to play a teenager for a single minute last season).

Given all the above, and in the absence of any will for TT to want to work under the new direction, then the owners were probably correct to press the red button.

Then layer on the football, the dire performances, the bad results and the rumored player discontent, then it seems inevitable.

 

 

We have been saying for years that we wanted stability and long term planning. Todd and co also seem to want that and have now got a manager who also wants that.

Time will tell if long term planning works for us, or if Potter turns out to be more Harry Potter or Pol Potter.  But for me, you cant fault the owners decisive action.

It’s been 2 or 3 days since Tuchel got sacked and I still think it’s a pathetic decision. I’m still fuming, how can we treat someone like that after what he did for us this year.

Easily the most disgusting sacking. Even worse than Carlo.

11 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

It’s been 2 or 3 days since Tuchel got sacked and I still think it’s a pathetic decision. I’m still fuming, how can we treat someone like that after what he did for us this year.

Easily the most disgusting sacking. Even worse than Carlo.

Sorry I just can’t subscribe to that view.

TT  came in and yes turned things around just like many new incumbents they get the new manager bounce.

At PL man management is key the days of Clough, Shankly and yes even Fergie are in the past . Players are millionaires and the skills current managers / coaches have are vastly different it’s as much about massaging egos and through that keeping players interested and motivated. 

Take a look around football outside England coaches come and go very quickly even at the very successful clubs such as Real, Bayern, Ajax, Benfica and so on clubs change coaches as regular as we do .

I was at Southampton and it was clear the players were struggling, it was clear the team hadn’t been set up well and some of the selections made no sense whatsoever. TT may well have lost  the dressing room , I don’t know for sure, but he clearly was struggling him self and unless he is on message then he had to go and that clearly is reported as being the case.

Tuchal left previous clubs in exactly the same way he seems to make it a habit to almost ignore the owners instructions and it seems he almost disrespected them. What would happen to you if you effectively ignored your boss ?

So for me the right decision, bold in terms of timing but one thing we have seen just how ruthless and decisive Bohley is and how their vision of the club is 

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Out of curiosity, if we go on to have a successful season under Potter and the new signings largely bed in well, will those attacking Boehly now retract or apologise?

I'm not saying it will work out, but I can't help but think we should wait to see how it plays out before we go making big calls about "how incompetent he is" (and I say this as someone who thinks signing over 250 million pounds of new player just to turn around and sack the manager may not have been that smart).

I suppose that "great thing" about these forums is no one cares if you (in hindsight) were wrong, nor will anyone bother to check.

4 hours ago, Qaz said:

Out of curiosity, if we go on to have a successful season under Potter and the new signings largely bed in well, will those attacking Boehly now retract or apologise?

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

1 minute ago, Scott Harris said:

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

Bloody hell i would snatch your arms off if you offered us 4th right now.

4 hours ago, Qaz said:

Out of curiosity, if we go on to have a successful season under Potter and the new signings largely bed in well, will those attacking Boehly now retract or apologise?

Potters advocates will want the bar lowered, top six would be deemed an improvement, we probably have no chance of winning anything this season now, unless we get lucky in the FA cup with the draw. So it'll just be a top 6 finish. Then the pressure is ramped up tenfold at the start of next season. 

 

Surely with £260m spent on new players, £20m on the manager plus his £12m annual salary, he simply HAS to be seen to do better then Tuchel did ?

Got to be 2nd minimum surely, a deep run in the CL,  and win a domestic cup, unless they are going to re-invent the parameters of success with all sorts of fluffy "corporate" objectives ? 

On 09/09/2022 at 18:04, The Rising Sun said:

On clueless owners many years ago  a documentary on Sullivan and Brady at Brum.

They are playing away to Pompey and Sullivan is encouraging his team and players  until....someone has to tell him the team in blue is actually Portsmouth !

 " But I thought that WE played in blue" 

His eyesight was obviously affected by all that w**king.

1 hour ago, Scott Harris said:

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

First we have to win the league or the CL, then it goes tits up again. Get your predictions straight!

2 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

Based on last couple of seasons, I agree that 4th would look like a step backwards. However if Tuchel had stayed on did you see us finishing top 4? midtable looked more realistically based on the deterioration in our play. While I had concerns over our form in the last 6 months ago I still think Tuchel deserved more time from the owners. But I am not confident he would have turned it around over the course of this season.

Regarding realistic targets for Potter he has to instill his own ideas on the squad, and that could take a bit of time. So top 4 feels like it would be a decent achievement at this point, even early in the season. More than league position though, I will be looking at how we are playing and hoping for some more entertaining football.

1 hour ago, Sexyfootball said:

Surely with £260m spent on new players, £20m on the manager plus his £12m annual salary, he simply HAS to be seen to do better then Tuchel did ?

Got to be 2nd minimum surely, a deep run in the CL,  and win a domestic cup, unless they are going to re-invent the parameters of success with all sorts of fluffy "corporate" objectives ? 

Make money, only objective I reckon.

Finishing Top 4 grants what, 90m?

Top 4 has to be the minimum. 

Many are giving us negative views, especially the press and pundits (nothing new) When Roman was here, the payers we bought, the managers we had, the games we lost, the way we played, everything. Now its a new era with new owners and manager and  players and the criticism just goes on and on. f**k THE LOT OF THEM. The feelings from Chelsea fans differ as well, I love our history both ups and downs, but always support the club and at the now i'm really looking forward to our new era and will be well pleased with a top four finish. ktbffh

Change in life scares lots of people, bottom line is these guys paid 4 Billion quid to own the club we all support. Most of us on here probably haven't even paid for the ad free version of TSEF, yet a lot are slagging off these 'Dumb Americans' for sacking TT.

It may or may not be a dumb move; but none of us have a crystal ball or our own better plan on how to run the club. I knew very little about GP until last week, after checking out some vids about his career and footballing philosophy etc. etc. I'm pretty excited to see what he can do at Chelsea now. Personally if there's a slim chance of busting this 18 year old boom to bust manager cycle I'm all for it even if it means a season out of the Top 4. Either way its not like any of us have any say in such matters, TT is gone and GP has an office at Cobham, so my suggestion is GET OVER IT YA BUNCH OF MOANING GITS 😉😅

Romano claiming Boehly has been inquiring about Potter as early as the Cucurella signing. 

8 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

Yes, and Tuchel was the perfect candidate. He had the personality to be a long term manager, if he comes into an issue with any player, they’ll be sold. We saw that with Lukaku. We had a manager that had balls and ended up being our face when a takeover was happening, and he even ended up being involved in board stuff for christs sake. Can you imagine how Graham Potter would deal with a superstar name? How would he deal with a takeover? How would he deal with taking up extra roles?

The interview he’s done today, IMO it was pretty embarrassing. He came across as star struck.

6 games in, 3 points behind the 4th placed team ( happens to be Potter's Brighton), 32 games to go to make up 4 points for the 4th spot. It's hardly a crisis ( if that is Potter needs to be warned), not like we are 1 place above relegation zone like we were in Jose's last season with us.  It's hardly a great escape or achievement if we manage to get there, just need Auba to start scoring a few and new players settle in, Boehly is so sure that Tuchel couldn't do that. For CL, 5 games to go we should still qualify, we probably still will, but now we have a manager with as much European experience as any of us, really dont see us beating any of the big teams in knock out round, unlike Tuchel who had proven record at the top level. Not Potter's fault, but where's the thought go into that? Sure, we could win a cup if we get there and Anthony Taylor is ruled out of the final, it's not like we never got there with Tuchel before and he f* it up. Now we pin our hope on a manager who has a cup record that's on par with Alan Pardew, again it's not a blame on Potter, but that's the card we been dealt with by Boehly.  Can't say much about the long term plan, we will judge on that in 18-24 months time. So take into account all these small matters,  Boehly's little 60M+ fire & hire maneuver got us what?? Apart from making himself looked like a tough bad-ass boss.

10 hours ago, Scott Harris said:

No, because we have been here so many times already. If things improve from here, I don't expect it to last. I fully expect that if things go well for us from now until the end of the season, then it will go tits up next season, because it always does. Until we see signs of that changing at the club, I have no reason to believe any different.

Also, when people say "have a successful season" what do they mean by that? Because what I am seeing is that they would expect a good season to be finishing 4th. Personally, I would consider that a backwards step on last season. Last season we finished 3rd, got to 2 cup finals and won the Super Cup and Club World Cup. Just finishing 4th would be a big step backwards when compared to last season.

I think 3rd and qualifying for CL knockout rounds is about par given the talent of the squad and the amount spent. Finishing 4th would also be acceptable.

Edited September 12, 20223 yr by Guest

13 hours ago, forbzy said:

Based on last couple of seasons, I agree that 4th would look like a step backwards. However if Tuchel had stayed on did you see us finishing top 4? midtable looked more realistically based on the deterioration in our play. While I had concerns over our form in the last 6 months ago I still think Tuchel deserved more time from the owners. But I am not confident he would have turned it around over the course of this season.

Regarding realistic targets for Potter he has to instill his own ideas on the squad, and that could take a bit of time. So top 4 feels like it would be a decent achievement at this point, even early in the season. More than league position though, I will be looking at how we are playing and hoping for some more entertaining football.

Completely agree forbzy, especially the last bit. Also think you have to factor in that the majority of our main rivals have improved too. Undoubtedly both Arsenal and Tottenham are stronger this season. Ten Hag looks like he is getting United moving in the right direction and Eddie Howe is doing a pretty good job in turning Newcastle into a force to be reckoned with. Citeh with Haaland up front look unstoppable. Only Liverpool look to have gone backwards at the moment and that may change quickly if Nunez gets settled and starts scoring.

2 hours ago, just said:

Completely agree forbzy, especially the last bit. Also think you have to factor in that the majority of our main rivals have improved too. Undoubtedly both Arsenal and Tottenham are stronger this season. Ten Hag looks like he is getting United moving in the right direction and Eddie Howe is doing a pretty good job in turning Newcastle into a force to be reckoned with. Citeh with Haaland up front look unstoppable. Only Liverpool look to have gone backwards at the moment and that may change quickly if Nunez gets settled and starts scoring.

We are really up against it this season for all those reasons you state.

That is what makes the sacking of an elite manager, in favour of a relatively unknown, a huge gamble that could be on par with letting KDB leave, and bringing in Drinkwater.

Or it could be a masterstroke.

Either way it's a gamble, yes all managers are a gamble, but let's not pretend Potter isn't a huge gamble.

Simple fact is, without Boehly our club would be in the gutter. Ultimately it's his money, his decisions. He wants the club to succeed, as do the fans. That is what matters. The guy isn't stupid, he's a successful businessman, not some random off the street. Lol. 

Not really. There were plenty of suiters. Someone else would have bought it.

35 minutes ago, enigma said:

Simple fact is, without Boehly our club would be in the gutter. Ultimately it's his money, his decisions. He wants the club to succeed, as do the fans. That is what matters. The guy isn't stupid, he's a successful businessman, not some random off the street. Lol. 

I have trust in Boehly but there have been plenty of bumps in the road so far. He's cleaned all the decisionmakers out the door so he can bring his people in. I think it is a good thing although that is also risky. Tuchel is a brilliant coach but can be difficult person to work with. We knew all of this before he even came to Chelsea. He didn't fit the vision. Boehly wants to run a business where communication routes are open to every direction. TT stopped communicating and the results sealed his fate.

Anyway we probably must accept this takes time and Boehly needs to understand in Europe things are not always dependent on money where as in USA it must be much simpler. Money rules. Liverpool and MU owners have seen this.