1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Chelsea have been found not to have broken profit and sustainability rules and are safe for another 12 months.

But how is that possible with such moronic American owners, that's surely impossible......

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Chelsea have been found not to have broken profit and sustainability rules and are safe for another 12 months.

The reaction from rival fans and some in the media is both funny and annoying at the same time. I'm getting bored of our name getting dragged into it when others are getting sanctioned. It's not our fault these clubs have f**ked up.

These people were complaining about how we were "exposing a loophole" in the rules (when it wasn't a loophole at all, it was just the rules) and now they choose to ignore that when it comes to FFP sanctions on other clubs. They should stop dragging our names into it and focus on the their own clubs and the ones that have been charged.

On 11/01/2024 at 18:08, Whats_The_Mata? said:

He's not. Our owners are absolute morons in the football world. 

There's some weird trend of billionaire worship in western culture were people tend to think people who make a lot of money in one area have intelligence and knowledge in every area.  They don't.

Boehly and Co are completely at sea here they're dangerously stupid but are arrogant because of their performance in other industries. They're going to lose an absolute fortune and they're going to cripple the club in the process.

You don't make money paying huge premiums for crap young talents infact it's the quickest way to lose money. I wonder how much of a return we'd get if we sold all the players they've signed?

With Arteta and Ten Hag about we'll probably double our money.

22 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The reaction from rival fans and some in the media is both funny and annoying at the same time. I'm getting bored of our name getting dragged into it when others are getting sanctioned. It's not our fault these clubs have f**ked up.

These people were complaining about how we were "exposing a loophole" in the rules (when it wasn't a loophole at all, it was just the rules) and now they choose to ignore that when it comes to FFP sanctions on other clubs. They should stop dragging our names into it and focus on the their own clubs and the ones that have been charged.

It is. Because the challenge we have created isn't this season, it's the next 5. 

Don't understand why Man City are still getting away with it

Just now, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Don't understand why Man City are still getting away with it

1 charge vs 115 charges.

City's trial is this fall I believe?

2 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

Don't understand why Man City are still getting away with it

They're not. Over 100 charges to be decided on eventually 

So everyone else gets found guilty and charged immediately. But for Man C it takes decades. Load of crap.

42 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

The reaction from rival fans and some in the media is both funny and annoying at the same time. I'm getting bored of our name getting dragged into it when others are getting sanctioned. It's not our fault these clubs have f**ked up.

These people were complaining about how we were "exposing a loophole" in the rules (when it wasn't a loophole at all, it was just the rules) and now they choose to ignore that when it comes to FFP sanctions on other clubs. They should stop dragging our names into it and focus on the their own clubs and the ones that have been charged.

Are we still under investigation for the stuff that was revealed when Roman was owner ?

We're in the clear for now , hopefully those 8 year contracts don't impact us in the future.

Relieved at the outcome though

1 minute ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

So everyone else gets found guilty and charged immediately. But for Man C it takes decades. Load of crap.

City have been charged though, they just haven't been punished. It's the same now with Everton and Forest, they have been charged, now we wait to hear how they will be punished. 

Also, with Everton's first charge, it happened in March. They were only handed their punishment in November, 8 months later.

4 minutes ago, The Rising Sun said:

Are we still under investigation for the stuff that was revealed when Roman was owner ?

We're in the clear for now , hopefully those 8 year contracts don't impact us in the future.

Relieved at the outcome though

I think so. Haven't heard anything about it being dropped or putting us in the clear.

5 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

So everyone else gets found guilty and charged immediately. But for Man C it takes decades. Load of crap.

Everton's case was simple. They spent over the limit.

Citeh's case involves sponsorship deals, and loads of other stuff.

Plus they have been " uncooperative,' . 

4 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I think so. Haven't heard anything about it being dropped or putting us in the clear.

People are confusing an investigation with getting charged. Putting us in the same breath as City FFS.  

What neutrals fail to grasp is that whether people agree with FFP or not, it isn't particularly difficult to comprehend. You make this much money, you spend this much money. Clubs continually making losses isn't really sustainable, particularly when owners pile on the debt like Everton. 

This case that the big 6 are immune is silly. United got charged over the summer for a minor breach. We are being investigated. Newcastle can't spend a dime anymore. Liverpool are penny pinching. City have trial this fall and will likely have the book thrown at them. 

Edited January 15, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

Just now, Sconnie Blue said:

People are confusing an investigation with getting charged. Putting us in the same breath as City FFS.  

What neutrals fail to grasp is that whether people agree with FFP or not, it's particularly difficult to comprehend. You make this much money, you spend this much money. Clubs continually making losses isn't really sustainable, particularly when owners pile on the debt like Everton. 

This case that the big 6 are immune is silly. United got charged over the summer for a minor breach. We are being investigated. Newcastle can't spend a dime anymore. Liverpool are penny pinching. City have trial this fall and will likely have the book thrown at them. 

I think the most worrying thing that is being ignored is how owners are playing things so close to the edge. Clubs are spending so much money to the point where they can spend no more. I know billionaires love this kind of thing, but the risks aren't fun for the fans.

38 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

I think the most worrying thing that is being ignored is how owners are playing things so close to the edge. Clubs are spending so much money to the point where they can spend no more. I know billionaires love this kind of thing, but the risks aren't fun for the fans.

I don't understand why there hasn't been a collective agreement to bring in some sort of squad salary cap.

The top tier clubs have unilaterally had a massive windfall of TV revenue ever since the likes of Sky got involved, and all  they've basically done is handed it all over, and more, to a very fortunate generation of players, and their greedy agents. With practically every club making a loss every year, it absolutely is not sustainable. In 21/22 we were spending a whopping 71% of our revenue on wages. That's a ridiculous way to run a business. Clearlake have been every smart to hit that one head on as soon as they took over.

Quietly hoping Sky go belly up one day, as then things might get really interesting !

3 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I don't understand why there hasn't been a collective agreement to bring in some sort of squad salary cap.

The top tier clubs have unilaterally had a massive windfall of TV revenue ever since the likes of Sky got involved, and all  they've basically done is handed it all over, and more, to a very fortunate generation of players, and their greedy agents. With practically every club making a loss every year, it absolutely is not sustainable. In 21/22 we were spending a whopping 71% of our revenue on wages. That's a ridiculous way to run a business. Clearlake have been every smart to hit that one head on as soon as they took over.

Quietly hoping Sky go belly up one day, as then things might get really interesting !

 

 

2 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Also got Maatsen, Chalobah, Gallagher and Broja to sell for pure profit left as well. Nevermind James and Colwill if need be.

Then there are players like Havertz and Kova, who were sold for FFP book profit. 

That is not counting any young talents that come through, loan players that increase their value, as Maatsen and Colwill did these past few years.

Our owners are smart when it comes to money, it is how the Clearlake guys and Todd have built their wealth, being smart with investment.

7 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Blimey a sensible goonie on social media, didnt think that existed.

12 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

I don't understand why there hasn't been a collective agreement to bring in some sort of squad salary cap.

The top tier clubs have unilaterally had a massive windfall of TV revenue ever since the likes of Sky got involved, and all  they've basically done is handed it all over, and more, to a very fortunate generation of players, and their greedy agents. With practically every club making a loss every year, it absolutely is not sustainable. In 21/22 we were spending a whopping 71% of our revenue on wages. That's a ridiculous way to run a business. Clearlake have been every smart to hit that one head on as soon as they took over.

Quietly hoping Sky go belly up one day, as then things might get really interesting !

If you want a salary cap you need a super league otherwise you will have a problem. 

Salary cap is used mostly in US but they can easily do this because there is no rival for NBA, MLB, NFL. Fringe player in nba make more money than euro league superstar. 

2 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

If you want a salary cap you need a super league otherwise you will have a problem. 

Salary cap is used mostly in US but they can easily do this because there is no rival for NBA, MLB, NFL. Fringe player in nba make more money than euro league superstar. 

They have one in this country for the Premier League in Rugby Union ... potentially another thing football could learn from that sport, along with their use of video technology and standard of (and respect for) the referees !

14 minutes ago, Sexyfootball said:

They have one in this country for the Premier League in Rugby Union ... potentially another thing football could learn from that sport, along with their use of video technology and standard of (and respect for) the referees !

It is hard to do it in football because of 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

You put a cap on player salary then top player will flee to Italy, Spain, Germany, France, 😁😁saudi

 

1 minute ago, Bob stark said:

It is hard to do it in football because of 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue

You put a cap on player salary then top player will flee to Italy, Spain, Germany, France, 😁😁saudi

 

I didn't say it was easy but clubs all over are struggling with finances, and the main reason is they all pay too much in salaries. Surely it is in their collective best interests to do something about it ? It shouldn't require the creation of a Super League to run a club properly ... 

This is quite an interesting read, for those on here who are interested in the finances of football.

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/deloitte-uk-annual-review-of-football-finance-2023.pdf 

16 minutes ago, Bob stark said:

You put a cap on player salary then top player will flee to Italy, Spain, Germany, France, 😁😁saudi

In terms of the Top 5 leagues across Europe, there is definitely scope to cut wages in the PL and still be more attractive than the European Leagues : 

Won't be able to compete with the Saudis, but that's probably only going to appeal to players nearing the end of their careers, and it may well all go tits up like China eventually anyway.