12 minutes ago, evissy said:

Most fans here have wanted the complete overhaul. Now that we did it was irresponsible. That is because we haven't had quick results and quick turnaround in results. Fans have zero patience in Chelsea and with the Roman history I get it. 

From what I remember most fans were of the "evolution not revolution" philosophy and eyebrows were raised when the likes of Petr Cech were removed, Tuchel sacked and a job lot of Brighton staff were bought in? 

45 minutes ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

From what I remember most fans were of the "evolution not revolution" philosophy and eyebrows were raised when the likes of Petr Cech were removed, Tuchel sacked and a job lot of Brighton staff were bought in? 

Petr Cech left of his own accord.

Edited April 9, 20242 yr by dkw

34 minutes ago, dkw said:

Petr Cech left of his own accord.

Ah okay. He must have realised early on what a sh*t show it was about to become.

1 hour ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

From what I remember most fans were of the "evolution not revolution" philosophy and eyebrows were raised when the likes of Petr Cech were removed, Tuchel sacked and a job lot of Brighton staff were bought in? 

Most fans wanted an overhaul but not one which involved boom or bust. 

14 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

From what I remember most fans were of the "evolution not revolution" philosophy and eyebrows were raised when the likes of Petr Cech were removed, Tuchel sacked and a job lot of Brighton staff were bought in? 

No. Most fans always wants every f**kin one out after a bad result or two. Every single one. Now we basically did it and when the results are not there we find other colors and shades to it 🤣🤣🤣 what a sad bunch we are. Hopefully no one is offended by this. 

16 hours ago, evissy said:

Who said we will get young players every year? We did the complete overhaul. And I agree on many levels why the owners wanted to vent the entire squad and employees. That is how you reset. 

Most fans here have wanted the complete overhaul. Now that we did it was irresponsible. That is because we haven't had quick results and quick turnaround in results. Fans have zero patience in Chelsea and with the Roman history I get it. 

This (project) will only work if don't budge. By budging I mean listening to us fans and media doing something stupid like rinse and repeat with managers and buy established players that are not the profile fitting for the project.

This feels an experiment and I understand it might feel irresponsible and in some extent it could be. There is no other previous project you can reflect this on and we put masses of emphasis on the sporting directors we just hired. I get it. However I like this approach (or the idea of) much more than just continuing what Roman did. 

No, this project will only work if we identify where we've gone wrong and change it. If we identify some players not working out, there's no point in "not budging" and keep playing them, e.g. what's the point of keeping Sanchez for the sake of not giving up on the project? The same goes for the coach. The project will only work with a coach that can actually coach this set of young players and improves them as a team. Pochettino is proven to be the wrong manager (he's proven to be sh*t, really), so we need to change it for next season. Simple as that. There's no point in "not budging" and insisting on the things that do not work. I am not against what the owners have done, though I think that they've gone a bit too extreme with buying only players too young and unproven, but they need to learn from the mistakes in this "experiment" and change things so that the experiment can have a good result.

17 hours ago, Gonoir Beniashile said:

From what I remember most fans were of the "evolution not revolution" philosophy and eyebrows were raised when the likes of Petr Cech were removed, Tuchel sacked and a job lot of Brighton staff were bought in? 

No most fans wanted all the so called “ dead wood out” all at once. The phrase that kept getting used was “rebuild the team” or “ we haven’t rebuild in ages”. It was a stupid idea to think you can get rid of all those players and everything would be okay.  I made that point i think at the time that we need to be slow.

3 hours ago, evissy said:

No. Most fans always wants every f**kin one out after a bad result or two. Every single one. Now we basically did it and when the results are not there we find other colors and shades to it 🤣🤣🤣 what a sad bunch we are. Hopefully no one is offended by this. 

Your correct here.

10 minutes ago, El regreso said:

No most fans wanted all the so called “ dead wood out” all at once. The phrase that kept getting used was “rebuild the team” or “ we haven’t rebuild in ages”. It was a stupid idea to think you can get rid of all those players and everything would be okay.  I made that point i think at the time that we need to be slow.

I am glad that we have cleared out and pressed reset on the playing squad. The likes of Jorgi, Auba, Azpi (bless him), K2, Mendy, Ziyech etc were not the future - and we did the right thing in moving them along.

I remain sad that the likes of Mount, Kai, Timo and Kante all left - but understand the rationale for each one individually. 

BUT.....

Clearing out the old playing squad was only 1 part ( of 3 in my opinion) that needed a reset. The other 2 parts were the philosophy of both our inward transfers and also our playing style. 

Transfers: The owners have succeeded in moving us away from buying older, established players. Time will tell if it will be a success over the long term, but I am not sad or angry that we have shifted our approach to focus on younger, theoretically hungrier players.

Playing style: This is the part where we have failed to evolve sufficiently. Yes we are scoring more, but the style is still the same. Slow and stagnant, passing it around at the back until the opposition get bored, possession for the sake of possession,  pretending we are Man City - when in reality we are not anywhere near as good at that style as them.  We are Chelsea - and we should not seek to emulate others. This is the 1 part of the 3 where we have not seen any evolution (or revolution) - and it is the sole part where the manager SHOULD be making an immediate impact. It doesnt matter whether the players are young, or new. We should be seeing small signs of progress, almost immediately - but we are not. And for this, I 100% blame Poch. Not the players. Not the owners. Only Poch.  Oddly, we saw progress pre season - and then he sh*t the bed, and reverted to the old ways.

Assuming the blue are available season tickets? Probably the only message ownership will answer to. 
 

 

54 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Assuming the blue are available season tickets? Probably the only message ownership will answer to. 
 

 

I don't think it's only ST seats. The supporters clubs are also sending back to the Club many tickets. I think that a lot has to do with the change of the date to Monday (although it is also true that the current mood and sh*t play is not encouraging many people to travel to the game on a Monday night).

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

Assuming the blue are available season tickets? Probably the only message ownership will answer to. 
 

 

 

I put my season ticket on the ticket exchange for the Everton game yesterday. Just looked and it hasn't been sold yet.

Monday night has probably put fans off , plus the opposition, plus the way we are playing!🤣😜

https://theathletic.com/5404135/2024/04/11/chelsea-billion-boehly-clearlake-players?source=user-shared-article

Excellent breakdown of money spent vs minutes played. I can post some images here later from the article. 

Only go a bit deeper into 1bn and you see the reasons why we are where we are. 

7 minutes ago, evissy said:

https://theathletic.com/5404135/2024/04/11/chelsea-billion-boehly-clearlake-players?source=user-shared-article

Excellent breakdown of money spent vs minutes played. I can post some images here later from the article. 

Only go a bit deeper into 1bn and you see the reasons why we are where we are. 

Can't read the article as it is behind a paywall (and the usual methods to get around that aren't helping unfortunately !)

3 hours ago, evissy said:

https://theathletic.com/5404135/2024/04/11/chelsea-billion-boehly-clearlake-players?source=user-shared-article

Excellent breakdown of money spent vs minutes played. I can post some images here later from the article. 

Only go a bit deeper into 1bn and you see the reasons why we are where we are. 

It is good analysis but only tells half the story. 

The other half being Poch and his team aren't good at organising the team. 

They are still to put in place an effective system where both attack and defensive phases of play are operating in tandem and structured in such a way that, everyone knows how they are contributing to system and personnel just slot in and out as available, of course allowing for the drop offs in performance that occur when a less skilled or competent player replaces a higher one. 

 

 

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

It is good analysis but only tells half the story. 

The other half being Poch and his team aren't good at organising the team. 

They are still to put in place an effective system where both attack and defensive phases of play are operating in tandem and structured in such a way that, everyone knows how they are contributing to system and personnel just slot in and out as available, of course allowing for the drop offs in performance that occur when a less skilled or competent player replaces a higher one. 

 

 

Poch and his team can certainly be blamed for some of the failures in the way that the team is playing. Especially when it comes to defense leaking so many goals. However, they were identified and hired by the same people who recruited any of the players who have so far failed at the club. The same people who previously chose to get rid of Tuchel, and then go with Potter. We will likely replace Poch and his team in the summer. But it will be the same people picking the replacement, and given their track record I don't have much confidence that they will get it right next time around either.

5 hours ago, Sexyfootball said:

Can't read the article as it is behind a paywall (and the usual methods to get around that aren't helping unfortunately !)

Here's a visual summary I found of the article:

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

Poch and his team can certainly be blamed for some of the failures in the way that the team is playing. Especially when it comes to defense leaking so many goals. However, they were identified and hired by the same people who recruited any of the players who have so far failed at the club. The same people who previously chose to get rid of Tuchel, and then go with Potter. We will likely replace Poch and his team in the summer. But it will be the same people picking the replacement, and given their track record I don't have much confidence that they will get it right next time around either.

You make a good point about the recruitment by the powers that be. I myself have a total lack of confidence in their ability to make a solid choice. 

I think with appointing managers, there's a limit to how successful you can be but the good thing is you can rely on past performance as a measure of future success. Appointing Poch hasn't worked so far but it's not as catastrophic as the decision to appoint a Graham Potter to replace a Tuchel. 

However, the player profile for recruitment doesn't match the profile of the club and it's ambitions, especially in the short term and possibly in the long term too. Potential is never a quality that translates to excellence with maturity. 

We all know the amount of talents our Chelsea Academy instituted by Roman produced and how they dominated everything at the youth level but can you count on more than one hand how many over the last two decades are now world class players upon maturity or their current level matched the potential in them at academy level?

1 hour ago, abister1 said:

You make a good point about the recruitment by the powers that be. I myself have a total lack of confidence in their ability to make a solid choice. 

I think with appointing managers, there's a limit to how successful you can be but the good thing is you can rely on past performance as a measure of future success. Appointing Poch hasn't worked so far but it's not as catastrophic as the decision to appoint a Graham Potter to replace a Tuchel. 

However, the player profile for recruitment doesn't match the profile of the club and it's ambitions, especially in the short term and possibly in the long term too. Potential is never a quality that translates to excellence with maturity. 

We all know the amount of talents our Chelsea Academy instituted by Roman produced and how they dominated everything at the youth level but can you count on more than one hand how many over the last two decades are now world class players upon maturity or their current level matched the potential in them at academy level?

Totally agreed. While it made sense to replace some of the older first teamers with younger players there should have been some balance. Given that our academy already produces some fantastic talent I'm not sure we needed to recruit so many additional young players as squad fillers or immediate loanees. If anything they will just block the path for academy players. But perhaps that was by design if Clearlake plans to generate income by selling off young academy talent.

2 hours ago, forbzy said:

Totally agreed. While it made sense to replace some of the older first teamers with younger players there should have been some balance. Given that our academy already produces some fantastic talent I'm not sure we needed to recruit so many additional young players as squad fillers or immediate loanees. If anything they will just block the path for academy players. But perhaps that was by design if Clearlake plans to generate income by selling off young academy talent.

They should have taken their time to properly scout players and work out a thought out transfer strategy. Not just buying every under 23 player out who’s shown a purple patch. 

On 10/04/2024 at 12:25, The Rising Sun said:

 

I put my season ticket on the ticket exchange for the Everton game yesterday. Just looked and it hasn't been sold yet.

Monday night has probably put fans off , plus the opposition, plus the way we are playing!🤣😜

There you are. Raise prices and lower the quality on the pitch. No one wants to attend. 

insert pickachu meme here. 

 

And it just gets worse. What a dumpster  fire they have turned us into.

 

4 hours ago, chef said:

And it just gets worse. What a dumpster  fire they have turned us into.

 

Wait. It gets better. 
Loophole FC

 

Edited April 13, 20242 yr by Sconnie Blue

f**king hell, is there ever any good news? Is it all just bad??

11 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

f**king hell, is there ever any good news? Is it all just bad??

The club earned €93.6m from going all the way to the quarter finals of the Champions League in 22/23. 

In retrospect, getting all the way to the quarter finals of the Europa League earns €30.9m. 

Winning the Conference League only gave West Ham €21m.

 

It's a big hole to fill financially, and there are only so many hotels Clearlake can sell to themselves....