9 minutes ago, Argo said:

Because Sancho is a year older in academic terms so the fair comparison if there is going to be one is between Sancho's game time last season to CHO this.

This isn't school FFS!!

Not fussed about comparisons - end of the day, no-one can argue. CHO deserves MORE game time and MORE starts.

 

 

9 minutes ago, Nibs said:

This isn't school FFS!!

Not fussed about comparisons - end of the day, no-one can argue. CHO deserves MORE game time and MORE starts.

 

 

You don't become a full time pro until you still leave school, so being in your second year as a pro compared to your third is a big difference.

 

4 hours ago, Argo said:

You don't become a full time pro until you still leave school, so being in your second year as a pro compared to your third is a big difference.

 

you do realize the lengths you are stretching to in order to try and justify why he shouldn't expect more minutes?  

 

24 minutes ago, Barry Bridges said:

you do realize the lengths you are stretching to in order to try and justify why he shouldn't expect more minutes?  

 

Why isn't it applicable? If you were a college teacher would you expect your first year students to know as much about the subject you are teaching as your second?

Furthermore i never said he shouldn't get more minutes, that's just you putting words in my mouth, but still using the likes of Sancho as an example of how it should be done when he was getting even less minutes at the same age is laughable.

And as i said before, if a 17-18 year old was getting 16 games a season at one of our rivals, most of the fans branding Sarri as satan would be w**king into a coma about how amazing it is that that club is showing such faith in youth.

58 minutes ago, Argo said:

Why isn't it applicable? If you were a college teacher would you expect your first year students to know as much about the subject you are teaching as your second?

Furthermore i never said he shouldn't get more minutes, that's just you putting words in my mouth, but still using the likes of Sancho as an example of how it should be done when he was getting even less minutes at the same age is laughable.

And as i said before, if a 17-18 year old was getting 16 games a season at one of our rivals, most of the fans branding Sarri as satan would be w**king into a coma about how amazing it is that that club is showing such faith in youth.

If you've gone to college you'll realize there will be a large number of first year students who know more than 2nd year students...... heck, you'll have the odd kid out of high school that knows more than the professor.....should they hold these exceptional students back because "well most people..."?

You're not saying he shouldn't get more minutes?  Well you are certainly trying to justify that stance, so are you not kind of equivocating on that point?

if you want to compare his situations to that of our rivals then show me the rival who has an 18 year old with the talent of a CHO sitting on the bench while the players in front of him are out for form.... I'll wait.

I think it's fair to point out that the team leading the Bundesliga, which is a fairly strong league, has an 18 year old as a pivotal part of that title challenge when our own manager is saying "kids this age aren't ready for the pressure of regular first team football".

You also pointed out that Sancho last year featured last year only 13 times for City, and another poster pointed out this season he has featured 33 times (mainly starts) for Dortmund....... so I really struggle how you can't connect the concern that we don't want to see that same sentence replacing "Sancho" for "CHO" and "Dortmund" for "Bayern" (or any other club).... I don't know, maybe you're laughing too hard to see how similar the situations are....

I mean you've literally proven our point for us with your points on Sancho.  Sancho, like CHO, very unhappy with playing time at his BPL club (except City actually had players in form to keep Sancho out, CHO not so much), so he went for what is now considered a minuscule fee to Germany (an even bigger German club is coming in with a much larger fee for CHO)..... Sancho goes and shows what he was not afforded the opportunity to show at MCFC and within less than a season has increased his transfer fee 10x and is pivotal in a title challenge they are currently winning...CHO is still here and still not getting many opportunities...  Sancho isn't an example of what should be done, but of what we should be avoiding...maybe you got that confused in the laughter.

 

If our rivals, or any other clubs, want to alienate their best talented youth to the point they leave then they can go do that and I'll laugh...... doesn't mean I can't call out our manager for making the same mistake, because here I actually care.  Fair enough or do you find that laughable too?    

Agreed Barry. I've said before I think it is largely to do with keeping the group happy. Our squad is very tough to manage, we've seen Willian sook last year when he wasn't playing and we also have Pedro who is very close to our core of Spanish players. CHO is the easiest one to leave out from that angle. 

That said I was pleased he scored because that should mean he starts in the second leg. 3-0 up the risk is limited. 

If you’re GOOD enough, than ffs you’re OLD enough. That’s it, it’s plain and simple. He doesn’t have the likes of Messi, Ronaldo etc in his way, he’s competing with two very very comfortable much much older and unfortunately past their prime players

 

For me the biggest advantage with playing CHO is that he gives vital rest to our wingers. Considering the amount of matches we play with only 4 wingers, giving plenty of minutes to CHO will give Willian/Pedro/Hazard more rest and will enable them to be fresher when they have to be played in games in which Sarri wont trust CHO. Taking those minutes away and distributing it to our 3 wingers is making them tired as well. And the tiredness is now showing late in the season. 

Happy that I voted out. 

Zidane now gone back to Madrid, if Sarri goes who are we going to get, or more importantly who we going to attract? Things are narrowing down in the manager stakes, I wouldn't bet against the Third coming of you know who

I reckon even if we don't make the top 4, he will stay for another year due to the upcoming transfer ban. There's no manager wants to test the water without reinforcement. He has started to make some adjustment after about 40 games in charge, better late than never.

The next 10 or so games will determine whether Sarri stays or goes. 

If he’s willing to put his ego aside and

1/ get over Sarriball as the be all or end all and tinker/adjust with the system accordingly 

2/ willing to give some of our exciting and highly talented youth more respectable minutes 

then I think he’ll prove be a good manager. Otherwise regardless of the impending ban, he’ll be deservedly gone

If are going to replace Sarri then the transfer ban could be a blessing for the new manager.

Expectations would be so low for them because they’re unable to recruit anyone that they’d be working within the most stress free environment of the Roman era.

2 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

If are going to replace Sarri then the transfer ban could be a blessing for the new manager.

Expectations would be so low for them because they’re unable to recruit anyone that they’d be working within the most stress free environment of the Roman era.

I am still a fan a sarri's but if there if we cant sign players in the summer, I dont think it makes sense to keep him. We just dont have the players to play how he wants, and he hasn't shown enough to suggest he would adapt, or develop the youth to plug to the holes in the team. 

Is jorginho going to play every minute of every game next season, because there will be no kovacic to replace him, sarri has already ruled out kante from playing deeper, and sarri doesn't seem likely to turn to the youth, with Billy gilmour actually being the most suited. 

I can't see anything other than fan revolt if sarri is here next season working with the same squad, or weaker if hazard goes.

5 minutes ago, big blue said:

I am still a fan a sarri's but if there if we cant sign players in the summer, I dont think it makes sense to keep him. We just dont have the players to play how he wants, and he hasn't shown enough to suggest he would adapt, or develop the youth to plug to the holes in the team. 

Is jorginho going to play every minute of every game next season, because there will be no kovacic to replace him, sarri has already ruled out kante from playing deeper, and sarri doesn't seem likely to turn to the youth, with Billy gilmour actually being the most suited. 

I can't see anything other than fan revolt if sarri is here next season working with the same squad, or weaker if hazard goes.

But if we can't sign any players for 2 windows, what could another manager realistically do? They've been working for a year trying to implement this system of football, may as well carry on.

10 minutes ago, big blue said:

I am still a fan a sarri's but if there if we cant sign players in the summer, I dont think it makes sense to keep him. We just dont have the players to play how he wants, and he hasn't shown enough to suggest he would adapt, or develop the youth to plug to the holes in the team. 

Is jorginho going to play every minute of every game next season, because there will be no kovacic to replace him, sarri has already ruled out kante from playing deeper, and sarri doesn't seem likely to turn to the youth, with Billy gilmour actually being the most suited. 

I can't see anything other than fan revolt if sarri is here next season working with the same squad, or weaker if hazard goes.

Don't see this the same way, we would still have Barkley and RLC and Kante with Jorginho so not the best midfield yet still competitive. If Hazard does go whether it is Willian, CHO or Puliisic we are going to be faster on the flanks and if we have Abraham back we might also have pace up front. Not saying it will be better yet not definitely worse either.

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by Strider6003

6 minutes ago, Zeta said:

But if we can't sign any players for 2 windows, what could another manager realistically do? They've been working for a year trying to implement this system of football, may as well carry on.

A new manager could actually use the full squad more and actually try and develop players to be good enough. I can only see this current group getting worse next season, and if we haven't managed to bring through some players, at the end of next season, I think the squad will be in terrible shape. 

7 minutes ago, Strider6003 said:

Don't see this the same way, we would still have Barkley and RLC and Kante with Jorginho so not the best midfield yet still competitive. If Hazard does go whether it is Willian, CHO or Puliisic we are going to be faster on the flanks and if we have Abraham back we might also have pace up front. Not saying it will be better yet not definitely worse either.

That is assuming sarri would play abraham.

The midfield is competitive, but how practical is it to build a team around system that relies on a register, when there is only 1 in the whole squad? 

Who replaces jorginho next season, if he is injured or needs a rest? 

I just think the team needs some investment to make sarri's football work, and I'm not convinced he will survive another season, trying to work with these players. I like him, but I think I'm more in the minority at the moment. The atmosphere at the ground at the moment feels a bit negative, and there are is lots of things going on off the pitch, if things dont start well next season, I think sarri will get the brunt of it, and il be shocked if last the season.

If this transfer ban is upheld then I think we will need a manager who will look at our loan/academy players and work with them to make them better players.

We could realistically lose Hazard, CHO, Kovacic and Higuian this summer and be unable to replace them.

Despite Sarri saying "the transfer market is a refuge for the weak" he doesn't strike me as the type who will knuckle down and then look throughout the whole football club for any hidden gems.

33 minutes ago, big blue said:

That is assuming sarri would play abraham.

The midfield is competitive, but how practical is it to build a team around system that relies on a register, when there is only 1 in the whole squad? 

Who replaces jorginho next season, if he is injured or needs a rest? 

I just think the team needs some investment to make sarri's football work, and I'm not convinced he will survive another season, trying to work with these players. I like him, but I think I'm more in the minority at the moment. The atmosphere at the ground at the moment feels a bit negative, and there are is lots of things going on off the pitch, if things dont start well next season, I think sarri will get the brunt of it, and il be shocked if last the season.

Yes that could sink Sarri, if match paying crowd are not patient enough, I would like to think Sarri gets a proper pre-season before we sack him. He might not get the chance.

4 hours ago, ForeverCarefree said:

If are going to replace Sarri then the transfer ban could be a blessing for the new manager.

Expectations would be so low for them because they’re unable to recruit anyone that they’d be working within the most stress free environment of the Roman era.

I can see it already as a blessing for Sarri.

He is doing nothing special, better managers than him like Ancelotti and Conte were sacked for a lot less garbage performances of the team but because the club knows it can't attract a better manager and adding the transfer ban, Sarri's job is going to be more secured while ironically better managers than him didn't have that luxuary.

Edited March 12, 20197 yr by Gol15

Zidane now gone back to Madrid, if Sarri goes who are we going to get, or more importantly who we going to attract? Things are narrowing down in the manager stakes, I wouldn't bet against the Third coming of you know who

Am happy with Zidane going back to Madrid as that means we just dodged a bullet. If we don't stick with Sarri, then his successor should be someone who can give the kids a chance without relying too much on the board to spend a fortune on our team.

4 hours ago, wallosh said:

11 hours ago, chi blue said:

Zidane now gone back to Madrid, if Sarri goes who are we going to get, or more importantly who we going to attract? Things are narrowing down in the manager stakes, I wouldn't bet against the Third coming of you know who

Am happy with Zidane going back to Madrid as that means we just dodged a bullet. If we don't stick with Sarri, then his successor should be someone who can give the kids a chance without relying too much on the board to spend a fortune on our team.

Hopefully it will be a lampard or a howe

On 12/03/2019 at 10:56, chi blue said:

Zidane now gone back to Madrid, if Sarri goes who are we going to get, or more importantly who we going to attract? Things are narrowing down in the manager stakes, I wouldn't bet against the Third coming of you know who

There's literally no chance of that happening, less than none infact.

22 hours ago, Gol15 said:

He is doing nothing special, better managers than him like Ancelotti and Conte were sacked for a lot less garbage performances of the team but because the club knows it can't attract a better manager and adding the transfer ban, Sarri's job is going to be more secured while ironically better managers than him didn't have that luxuary.

Those better managers had better squads than we now have, although Roman was trigger happy then we are now in a different era looking to comply with FFP. I