He will come here and become the next Harry Maguire. Pass.

Personally I hope we make a huge push for Rice this summer. If we wait another year I bet City, Liverpool & ManUtd will be in the fold to sign him.

Liverpool are about to sign a decent striker for about £85 million. An offer in that area + some add ons would tempt West Ham I believe so I think we should do that. We need to strengthen the midfield and Rice is a terrific player.

Just now, Sindre said:

Personally I hope we make a huge push for Rice this summer. If we wait another year I bet City, Liverpool & ManUtd will be in the fold to sign him.

Liverpool are about to sign a decent striker for about £85 million. An offer in that area + some add ons would tempt West Ham I believe so I think we should do that. We need to strengthen the midfield and Rice is a terrific player.

Does not sound like it. Sounds like West Ham would want 150mill for this summer.

17 hours ago, Sindre said:

Personally I hope we make a huge push for Rice this summer. If we wait another year I bet City, Liverpool & ManUtd will be in the fold to sign him.

Liverpool are about to sign a decent striker for about £85 million. An offer in that area + some add ons would tempt West Ham I believe so I think we should do that. We need to strengthen the midfield and Rice is a terrific player.

Making a huge splash on Rice now would be stupid in the extreme. I still ask this question and no one has given me a quality answer. What exactly does Declan Rice do that makes him spectacular????? rice is a deep lying midfielder that protects the backline, break up play and distribute the ball. There are a lot of players in the Bundesliga, Laliga, Serie A that does this well a Rice. The only thing Rice does better than Jorginho is tackling. In all other parameters, Recycling ball, orchestrating play, passing, Rice cannot hold a candle to Jorginho.Declan rice does not score goals and is a little better than Ampadu as a DLP. We would be bigger fools to pay anything more than 25m for this guy. The error would be more than the error of buying Lukaku

We have Gallagher coming back to the team and at the very minimum we have RLC, Kante, Kova, Jorginho, Gallagher, Mount and even Gilmour next season. I daresay we can cope without another 2 seasons without Rice. If he wants to come to Chelsea that badly, he can run down his contract to make Westham lower his wages. We should not be agitated if other big clubs want him. The likes of Man city, Many, Liverpool can have him I'd they so desire the fact that they are willing to pay over the odds for him does not mean he is a world clas player. Man city paid a lot of money for Ake, but are now willing to let hi go for peanuts. That should be a lesson to us 

20 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Does not sound like it. Sounds like West Ham would want 150mill for this summer.

There’s been rumblings that West Ham would sell him for half that now.

1 hour ago, mwblue10 said:

There’s been rumblings that West Ham would sell him for half that now.

That would be a huge surprise given Moyes previous statements.

3 hours ago, d-one said:

We have Gallagher coming back to the team and at the very minimum we have RLC, Kante, Kova, Jorginho, Gallagher, Mount and even Gilmour next season. I daresay we can cope without another 2 seasons without Rice. If he wants to come to Chelsea that badly, he can run down his contract to make Westham lower his wages. We should not be agitated if other big clubs want him. The likes of Man city, Many, Liverpool can have him I'd they so desire the fact that they are willing to pay over the odds for him does not mean he is a world clas player. Man city paid a lot of money for Ake, but are now willing to let hi go for peanuts. That should be a lesson to us 

He plays more of a box to box at West Ham so he if were to come here he'd arguably be taking up the Kante/Kovacic/Gallagher role. He doesn't play as a lone DM and when he does he's horrid in defensive transition (ala England), which is why Philips partners him. We don't even know if he can be influential in a progressive/possession oriented side, as his best football came whilst playing in a low block. This "die for the badge" stuff I hear from some Declan Rice advocates isn't going to help us when we are sh*thousing against elite midfields because don't have a midfield to compete with them on the ball. 

 

Gutted we missed out on Tchouameni.

Now we're going to end up with some bang average nothing player like Rice for a similar fee and then be left wondering why we can't compete with the absolute top teams.

For a 20m squad depth option he'd be ok. 

Rice is basically a less talented Mikel with an English passport, links to the club and a great PR team.  Useful squad player for sure but is he really ssomeone that should be commanding even half the fee West Ham would want for him?

Not for me.

Edited June 12, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

Real play with a 4-3-3 with Modric, Kroos and Casemiro in the middle.  Now they have some of their future replacements with Tchouameni and Camavinga in place.  They probably won't miss a beat when they decide to send Kroos and Casemiro out to pasture.  I don't list Modric because that guy is phenomenal and doesn't appear to age. Both Tchouameni and Camavinga are already national team players and will no doubt only get better especially learning from the aforementioned three.  Why aren't we interested in Bellingham?

6 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

going to end up with some bang average nothing player like Rice for a similar fee and then be left wondering why we can't compete with the absolute top teams.

That is a ridiculous take - calling him a nothing player when he's as good as any DM in this league. Is he worth the crazy fee? Absolutely not. But he's the kind of player that gives you 7-8/10 every week and is a consummate professional. There's no gambling with him. No one knows if Tchouameni can cut it at the highest level. I would take him for those reasons and because he's a better fit for Tuchel's system than Jorginho. That said, no one should be paying more than 50m for such a player. 

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

That is a ridiculous take - calling him a nothing player when he's as good as any DM in this league. Is he worth the crazy fee? Absolutely not. But he's the kind of player that gives you 7-8/10 every week and is a consummate professional. There's no gambling with him. No one knows if Tchouameni can cut it at the highest level. I would take him for those reasons and because he's a better fit for Tuchel's system than Jorginho. That said, no one should be paying more than 50m for such a player. 

Tchouameni is only 22 years old so you're paying 80m for a player that you should have for the next decade plus or pay twice that for a player who's English (albeit proven in the Premier League)?

The main reason I want him is because I believe it will allow us to switch to a back 4 permanently if TT wants to.  IMO TT plays 3 at the back is to protect Jorginho.  Constantly overrun in midfield with Frank and on occasions Sarri (City away) with Jorginho and a back 4.  Won't happen with Rice.....

7 hours ago, venom2011 said:

That is a ridiculous take - calling him a nothing player when he's as good as any DM in this league.  

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I'm afraid that's one of the most "ridiculous takes" I've ever read.

You'll say he's younger but he absolutely isn't close to being one of the best dms in the league.  He isn't fit to lace Fabinho or Rodri's boots and given his lack of techical ability I don't see that change.

Tchoumeni is more of a gamble on a potentially world class player.  Rice is a guarantee of mediocrity, he's nothing special regardless of his passport colour or how often he goes on Holiday with Mount.

7 hours ago, venom2011 said:

No one knows if Tchouameni can cut it at the highest level.

No one knows it with Rice either. He's playing under a manager who's compact underdog system duped Real Madrid into thinking Thomas Gravesen was good enough for them.

Totally different universe to coming here and having to compete toe to toe with all the other best midfields in the world.

7 hours ago, venom2011 said:

 I would take him for those reasons and because he's a better fit for Tuchel's system than Jorginho.

Who Rice? He's totally unproven in a front foot system.

Infact if we are going to insist on HG player in that position his partner in the National setup is a much safer bet.

6 hours ago, Greys33 said:

Tchouameni is only 22 years old so you're paying 80m for a player that you should have for the next decade plus or pay twice that for a player who's English (albeit proven in the Premier League)?

Rice is 23....

23 minutes ago, Argo said:

No one knows it with Rice either. He's playing under a manager who's compact underdog system duped Real Madrid into thinking Thomas Gravesen was good enough for them.

Totally different universe to coming here and having to compete toe to toe with all the other best midfields in the world.

Who Rice? He's totally unproven in a front foot system.

Infact if we are going to insist on HG player in that position his partner in the National setup is a much safer bet.

70% of City's team played in vastly different systems before they were signed. You don't consider the team, but the player's own characteristics. Rice's attributes are more suited to a 'front-foot' system than both Jorginho and Kante. Physically better than Jorginho, technically better than Kante, and as professional as either of them. 

27 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

70% of City's team played in vastly different systems before they were signed. You don't consider the team, but the player's own characteristics. Rice's attributes are more suited to a 'front-foot' system than both Jorginho and Kante. Physically better than Jorginho, technically better than Kante, and as professional as either of them. 

I hope you're right (because I'm resigned to him coming eventually) but I just don't see what many others do.

On 31/05/2022 at 22:38, Kyle said:

I don't know If we can afford him after sorting out the priority positions this year, but the price Tchouameni's going for (from a club in a weaker negotiating standpoint than West Ham are for Rice right now) puts a better perspective on the potential fee.

I'd hope we're at least doing a Bayern and tapping him the f**k up playing the long game. Another year of him openly wanting out and it should be no trouble getting him next summer. I don't think we're in desperate need of a midfielder right now. The next season surely can't be as demanding as last on Kante/Kova/Jorginho, even just from a sheer miles standpoint, let alone being made to play through different Covid rules, consistently playing against unnaturally much more rested opponents during the Christmas period and having to rush back from injury etc (not that I'm bitter or anything!). Add in Gallagher and maybe give Ampadu a try while we bide our time/raise the funds for Rice.

Rice is a childhood chelsea fan so its a matter of money and convincing the dild0 dads to sell him!

Hes our next Lampard IMO 

Was so good for england and is consistently good for west ham, At 23 the guys class, Speaks like a gent and has streaks of kantes type play sweeping from one side to the other on the pitch

He's also 23 so that makes a big price make more sense etc

9 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

Rice is a childhood chelsea fan so its a matter of money and convincing the dild0 dads to sell him!

Hes our next Lampard IMO 

Was so good for england and is consistently good for west ham, At 23 the guys class, Speaks like a gent and has streaks of kantes type play sweeping from one side to the other on the pitch

He's also 23 so that makes a big price make more sense etc

What do you mean by our next Lampard?! I can’t see him scoring 20 a season!

3 hours ago, dansubrosa said:

What do you mean by our next Lampard?! I can’t see him scoring 20 a season!

True goals is an area of weakness but he has that captains vibe at least, Def go some way to help bring in a new spine looking forwards 

6 hours ago, venom2011 said:

70% of City's team played in vastly different systems before they were signed. You don't consider the team, but the player's own characteristics. Rice's attributes are more suited to a 'front-foot' system than both Jorginho and Kante. Physically better than Jorginho, technically better than Kante, and as professional as either of them. 

That's a good point. Rodri came from a fairly conservative system to a progressive one at City. 

Think Phillips is better tailored for us but wouldn't rule out Rice being a success. 

15 hours ago, venom2011 said:

Rice is 23....

Yes and almost twice the cost..you missed that part.

15 hours ago, Argo said:

Infact if we are going to insist on HG player in that position his partner in the National setup is a much safer bet.

Bellingham or Phillips?

It's the same old, same old faces that we look at....can we just not get our sh*t together and find a central midfielder who can open defences with accurate passes and has vision as well as the capability of having a shot on goal now and then and score on occasion?   There has to be at least of couple of players in the world that can do that and be cheaper than the likes of Declan Rice who we don't need anyway.