His dad is his agent and he is a Chelsea fan, how the f**k did he end up in such a sh*tty deal with West Ham being able to extend to 2025 as part of the current deal is beyond naive if the idea was to move onto bigger things in his early twenties. 

11 minutes ago, Term_X said:

His dad is his agent and he is a Chelsea fan, how the f**k did he end up in such a sh*tty deal with West Ham being able to extend to 2025 as part of the current deal is beyond naive if the idea was to move onto bigger things in his early twenties. 

It was the same with Kane signing a 6 year contract with Tottenham. You're no longer in control of your career when you sign a contract this long. 

54 minutes ago, Scott Harris said:

It was the same with Kane signing a 6 year contract with Tottenham. You're no longer in control of your career when you sign a contract this long. 

That's why I laugh when people paint Kane (and other players) as a victim of their trophyless/underachieving careers.

Decision making is part of being a footballer.

except for being English and Mount's best friend why is he suppose to be worth over 100 million exactly? 

 

9 hours ago, azpi28 said:

except for being English and Mount's best friend why is he suppose to be worth over 100 million exactly? 

 

His age I expect. We paid 50 mil for Jorginho who will be 31 halfway through next season. 
 

Sign Rice and you are possibly set for the next 8 years + at the position. How much in transfer fees would you spend on quality players for the position over that period of time? 

9 hours ago, azpi28 said:

except for being English and Mount's best friend why is he suppose to be worth over 100 million exactly? 

 

Because he's been one of the best CM's in the league this year. Pogba went for £90m 6 years ago, £100m doesn't seem unreasonable for a player that will be the spine of the team for a decade. 

I struggle to see him moving - unless a silly money bid of £150ish comes in.

The pikeys have him secured until 2025, have just come off the back of a successful season, and will want to build on that. I assume that they will not need to sell for financial reasons, and therefore, it is hard to see why they would.

That may change if Rice submits a transfer request, which could see Moyes be pragmatic and decide its better to let a wantaway player leave, but I have strong doubts it will happen, and dont see anyone dropping £150m on him (Would be ludicrous to do so!)

13 hours ago, Blue Exile said:

His age I expect. We paid 50 mil for Jorginho who will be 31 halfway through next season. 
 

Sign Rice and you are possibly set for the next 8 years + at the position. How much in transfer fees would you spend on quality players for the position over that period of time? 

yes but Camavinga was 30 million and 3 years younger, is he really that much better? I just don't like the idea of West Ham milking us. And he shouldn't have signed an extension till 2025. If he wanted to go to Chelsea he should have made decisions that are in line with that.

Edited May 27, 20224 yr by azpi28

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

yes but Camavinga was 30 million and 3 years younger, is he really that much better? I just don't like the idea of West Ham milking us. And he shouldn't have signed an extension till 2025. If he wanted to go to Chelsea he should have made decisions that are in line with that.

2018 is when he signed that ridiculous contract until 2025, 2 years later in 2020 he fired that agent and hired his dad instead (Chelsea season ticket holder). So it would seem that previous agent screwed him over, still naive of him to go along with it though.

Pricey but exactly the right kind of player we need. 

If the club is mad enough to sell Kante let's get Rice in.

I do like Rice but I wouldn't go more than 60 million max. 

Big money signings don't seem to work out well for us, plus the more expensive there will be more pressure on the lads shoulders and everything will be scrutinised.

The Athletic posted today that Boehly/Tuchel won't go after Declan Rice. Priced out. 

16 minutes ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The Athletic posted today that Boehly/Tuchel won't go after Declan Rice. Priced out. 

I am expecting to see much more of a moneyball approach going forwards. We may well start seeing unfamiliar players coming in that have real potential to develop, as well as one or two marquee signings. That's the bit that I'm quite excited about

1 hour ago, Sconnie Blue said:

The Athletic posted today that Boehly/Tuchel won't go after Declan Rice. Priced out. 

I would so happy if this turns out to be true. Rice is not worth more than 40m in my opinion. What exactly does he do except recycle the ball with a little bit more defensive nous than Jorginho. Mind you in the the area of ball recycling, he cannot hold a candle to Jorgiboy. Ben English and overhauled by the English press is not justification for been mugs..FFS

36 minutes ago, d-one said:

I would so happy if this turns out to be true. Rice is not worth more than 40m in my opinion. What exactly does he do except recycle the ball with a little bit more defensive nous than Jorginho. Mind you in the the area of ball recycling, he cannot hold a candle to Jorgiboy. Ben English and overhauled by the English press is not justification for been mugs..FFS

It would just be typical of us in recent years that we eventually bring back these sold youth that don't fit our style (Rice and eventually Tammy) but leave alone the ones that do (Livramento, Olise).

Also as I've mentioned a few times look at the amount of defensive minded players Moyes has made look better than they are with his compact underdog system. It's the equivalent of Leipzig/Dortmund forward players stats being inflated due to playing under all out attack hipster managers.

Lescott and Gravesen managed to play themselves into elite transfers thanks to playing in Moyes' system and we know what happened there. Heck even Tony Hibbert got a decade long PL career thanks to his tactics.

If we're going to insist on going down the HG route (which we really don't need to do given how many are already on the rooster) then Kalvin Phillips is a safer bet, he's already played DM/DLP in a front foot system, an extreme one aswell.

55 minutes ago, Argo said:

It would just be typical of us in recent years that we eventually bring back these sold youth that don't fit our style (Rice and eventually Tammy) but leave alone the ones that do (Livramento, Olise).

Also as I've mentioned a few times look at the amount of defensive minded players Moyes has made look better than they are with his compact underdog system. It's the equivalent of Leipzig/Dortmund forward players stats being inflated due to playing under all out attack hipster managers.

Lescott and Gravesen managed to play themselves into elite transfers thanks to playing in Moyes' system and we know what happened there. Heck even Tony Hibbert got a decade long PL career thanks to his tactics.

If we're going to insist on going down the HG route (which we really don't need to do given how many are already on the rooster) then Kalvin Phillips is a safer bet, he's already played DM/DLP in a front foot system, an extreme one aswell.

he even made Dawson look like a great CB 

Also did we give up on Billy Gilmour already? I would like to see him get a chance again 

1 hour ago, azpi28 said:

Also did we give up on Billy Gilmour already? I would like to see him get a chance again 

Can't really compare Billy with Rice. I think Billy would be excellent with prime Kante by his side. 

At this very moment I don't see Billy being someone in our squad next season. I think he will be loaned out or sold. 

1 hour ago, evissy said:

Can't really compare Billy with Rice. I think Billy would be excellent with prime Kante by his side. 

At this very moment I don't see Billy being someone in our squad next season. I think he will be loaned out or sold. 

No but he has the potential. It’s worth giving him a go instead of having to pay westham 100 million or more. When he played against England in the European Championship it was Billy who looked like the supreme midfielder. 
 

i think we need to stop paying these insane amounts and try to go for the 40, 50 million region. And maybe add ons based on performance. I don’t think we need to rush the purchase of Rice anyway. It was not the lack of a Rice type player why we didn’t succeed 

2 hours ago, azpi28 said:

Also did we give up on Billy Gilmour already? I would like to see him get a chance again 

Championship player currently, and won’t end up anywhere higher than a mid table prem team imo 

If Rice is who Tuchel wants, then we should go out and get him. 

Yes, he'll likely have an inflated transfer price due to Premier League + English tax. 

But we've seen what happens if we get this wrong, £75m spent on Bakayoko + Drinkwater. And Chelsea haven't bought a midfielder since Kovacic joined in 2019.

If we get Rice this summer, he'll be a mainstay in our side for the next 7/8 years minimum. 

Better we get Phillips from Leeds than Rice honestly. There is nothing special at all about Rice. He is just an average midfielder with decent metronomic ability and a good defensive sense. We would be bigger mugs to buy for a 100m than our purchase of Lukaku for 97.5

i would prefer Phillips over Rice as well, i think he is more aggressive, sharper and is used to playing in the highest intensity (Bielsa). Leeds are asking 55 million for Raphina, Phillips should be similar priced.

i also don't like that we are being toyed with by West Ham and we buy a released player back for 100 M + 

also for Mason it might be a distraction to have his best friend in the team. We cannot always just be playing around and joking around

 

I have almost come around to Evissy's point of view. Rice would be over priced but is captain material and provides a great backbone to a team. But its probably too much money just now with a backline to rebuild.

I don't know If we can afford him after sorting out the priority positions this year, but the price Tchouameni's going for (from a club in a weaker negotiating standpoint than West Ham are for Rice right now) puts a better perspective on the potential fee.

I'd hope we're at least doing a Bayern and tapping him the f**k up playing the long game. Another year of him openly wanting out and it should be no trouble getting him next summer. I don't think we're in desperate need of a midfielder right now. The next season surely can't be as demanding as last on Kante/Kova/Jorginho, even just from a sheer miles standpoint, let alone being made to play through different Covid rules, consistently playing against unnaturally much more rested opponents during the Christmas period and having to rush back from injury etc (not that I'm bitter or anything!). Add in Gallagher and maybe give Ampadu a try while we bide our time/raise the funds for Rice.