11 hours ago, Gol15 said:

I already solved your whole argument regardless, pal 

What exactly did you solve? 

18 hours ago, driller97 said:

Actually watched him in a couple of spanish games as well when Sevilla were up against Barca, Real Madrid and Athletico and he played very well. Its true I never really payed much attention to him before hand and hadn't really heard of him but there's no denying hes a good player. You dont win LB of the year in la liga for nothing.

Just because you probably dont watch games outside of england doesnt mean everyone else doesnt.

I watch plenty of foreign football. I can safely say no one is watching 10's of Sevilla's games though. 

19 hours ago, DarkMata said:

£50 million is most likely.  I’m guessing the £80 million is there to make it look like a worse deal than it is and add a more negative slant?  My point is he’s going to get ripped to pieces before he’s kicked a ball (no crowds could be a blessing in disguise) there seems to be a lot of you that’s continuously moaning about this transfer.  I mean with every update there’s someone basically adding yeah but he’s sh*t and some other dudes better.  Fair enough give us your opinions, but after posting 10 times the same negative points (not accusing you) without a single positive it starts to sound like a kid who hasn’t got their own way.  I think we get the point.  I’ve never been blown away by Chilwell but I’m willing to give him a chance.  I what to remain positive, this is looking like an outstanding transfer window, maybe try to look at some of the positives.  He’s much quicker than most think for one.  More so than the rapid Reguilón apparently.

Leicesters 5 fastest players are faster than anyone in la liga. What an interesting stat that definitely isn't flawed.

13 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

I watch plenty of foreign football. I can safely say no one is watching 10's of Sevilla's games though. 

I watch plenty of European games, only rarely do players really stand out and even then you get it wrong. Ndombele stood out for Lyon, can’t get a game for spurs. Osama Dembele stood out for Dortmund but flop at Barca. 
 

I also watch a lot of pro tennis where a player can look like a genius against one opponent and a beginner against the next. 
 

as Robert Johnson sang “it’s hard to tell.”

24 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Leicesters 5 fastest players are faster than anyone in la liga. What an interesting stat that definitely isn't flawed.

It is from the Premier Leagues official website and it's the top speed the players have been clocked at during a match not their actual top speed.  Leicester in particular seems to have some of the fastest speeds in the league.  Below shows the top 10 speeds up to Feb this year and it includes 3 Leicester players.  Although only Soyuncu makes the final top 10.  The Premier League is well know for being fast paced, I'm guessing players make more sprints resulting in higher speeds, unless they make the stats up to make it look that way.

Firstly, I would point out that there is far more to a player's pace than their top speed - even more so when you're only taking into account one instance. It's pretty much a statistical irrelevance. I have vague memories of Arsenal fans jokingly claiming that Dennis Bergkamp was the fastest player in the league based on a similar list produced years ago. It was plain to see he wasn't even the fastest player in the Arsenal front line!

Secondly, this is a very good signing. It fills an obvious hole in the squad, and while there may be questions around his decision-making at times (mainly in the final third), he is clearly a far superior all-round left back than the options we currently have.

He's young, he's good, and he's an obvious starter in a position in which we've had problems since Ivanovic left. Plus he's English, so he's used to playing with idiots, which is a bonus for us. 

 

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by PloKoon13

3 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Firstly, I would point out that there is far more to a player's pace than their top speed - even more so when you're only taking into account one instance. It's pretty much a statistical irrelevance. I have vague memories of Arsenal fans jokingly claiming that Dennis Bergkamp was the fastest player in the league based on a similar list produced years ago. It was plain to see he wasn't even the fastest player in the Arsenal front line!

Secondly, this is a very good signing. It fills an obvious hole in the squad, and while there may be questions around his decision-making at times (mainly in the final third), he is clearly a far superior all-round left back than the options we currently have.

He's young, he's good, and he's an obvious starter in a position in which we've had problems since Ivanovic left. Plus he's English, so he's used to playing with idiots, which is a bonus for us. 

 

I totally agree, I was originally trying to get rid of this ridiculous notion that Chilwell was slow, 21.56 miles an hour is no joke.

47 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Firstly, I would point out that there is far more to a player's pace than their top speed - even more so when you're only taking into account one instance. It's pretty much a statistical irrelevance. I have vague memories of Arsenal fans jokingly claiming that Dennis Bergkamp was the fastest player in the league based on a similar list produced years ago. It was plain to see he wasn't even the fastest player in the Arsenal front line!

Secondly, this is a very good signing. It fills an obvious hole in the squad, and while there may be questions around his decision-making at times (mainly in the final third), he is clearly a far superior all-round left back than the options we currently have.

He's young, he's good, and he's an obvious starter in a position in which we've had problems since Ivanovic left. Plus he's English, so he's used to playing with idiots, which is a bonus for us. 

 

Ivanovic??

£50m is a steal considering he ticks the 'young & English' boxes. He's one of the top 3 left backs in the league and is proven. Is he as good defensively as he is going forward? No. Is he easily better than anything we already have? Yes. He could hold down that position for the next 8-10 years if he signs and wants to stay, plus he has time to get better. Great business if it goes through.

I must say, I'm starting to feel positive about our defence with the prospect of Silva and Chilwell. No longer will teams be able to target our weak left side, and Silva may bring just the character, presence and leadership at the back that we so desperately need. There is of course the keeper situation remaining, however I don't think Frank could complain too much if the club manages to deliver the targets currently being reported. 

Edited August 25, 20205 yr by Elliott

The negativity around this signing is ridiculous, and lets call a spade a spade, its all down to him not being a shiny new twitter favourite foreigner with some certain "fans". 

20 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Ivanovic??

Yeah, it was after Ivan left (or at least was deemed no longer fit for purpose) that we were forced to push Azpilicueta back to right-back. 

Then we changed formation (or as I prefer to remember it, brought in Victor Moses out of position), went on a record-equalling winning run, and the rest is history. 

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

Firstly, I would point out that there is far more to a player's pace than their top speed - even more so when you're only taking into account one instance. It's pretty much a statistical irrelevance. I have vague memories of Arsenal fans jokingly claiming that Dennis Bergkamp was the fastest player in the league based on a similar list produced years ago. It was plain to see he wasn't even the fastest player in the Arsenal front line!

Secondly, this is a very good signing. It fills an obvious hole in the squad, and while there may be questions around his decision-making at times (mainly in the final third), he is clearly a far superior all-round left back than the options we currently have.

He's young, he's good, and he's an obvious starter in a position in which we've had problems since Ivanovic left. Plus he's English, so he's used to playing with idiots, which is a bonus for us. 

 

Did you still steward at Leicester last season (I think its Leicester you work at)? If so I`m sure you will have a much better take on him than any other on here.

My thoughts on Ben Chillwell

Is Chelsea better with him in the squad?

Yes

Does the price tag prohibit us from making other moves?

Evidently Not

Sounds like a good move for us then

1 hour ago, PloKoon13 said:

Firstly, I would point out that there is far more to a player's pace than their top speed - even more so when you're only taking into account one instance. It's pretty much a statistical irrelevance. I have vague memories of Arsenal fans jokingly claiming that Dennis Bergkamp was the fastest player in the league based on a similar list produced years ago. It was plain to see he wasn't even the fastest player in the Arsenal front line!

 

 

To back that up Wayne Rooney was in the top 3 sprint speeds one season and it was towards the end of his Utd career 

3 hours ago, driller97 said:

My main gripe with this is the price. He's definitely got pace and he's pretty good going forward but he's not great defensively either. We already have Alonso who is one of the best in the world at LB when going forward, but he can't defend!

I wanted a LB that was better on the defensive side and Chilwell simply isn't that. But if we are making other signings in the backline like Silva coming in, then this deal won't be as bad as we are still improving.

Jury's still out though, i'm not going to write it off before he's even played for us, but if he doesn't improve from what we've seen of him in the 2nd half of the season, then it'll be a disappointment.

To the first bolded point: price should only be an issue for us fans if it directly impacts the team by restricting our spending elsewhere, which with Chilwell, it’s obviously not. We’re still spending at least 150m in addition to the fee for him.

To the second bolded point: that is literally all you’ve done for weeks, written him off before he’s even officially signed for Chelsea, let alone had a minute on the pitch.

2 hours ago, DarkMata said:

It is from the Premier Leagues official website and it's the top speed the players have been clocked at during a match not their actual top speed.  Leicester in particular seems to have some of the fastest speeds in the league.  Below shows the top 10 speeds up to Feb this year and it includes 3 Leicester players.  Although only Soyuncu makes the final top 10.  The Premier League is well know for being fast paced, I'm guessing players make more sprints resulting in higher speeds, unless they make the stats up to make it look that way.

Did the premier league official website share the fastest players in Spain too?

The data is flawed or irrelevant. You can't compare chilwell speed with reguillon based on different data sources. 

This coming from someone who is fine with signing chilwell 

1 hour ago, dkw said:

The negativity around this signing is ridiculous, and lets call a spade a spade, its all down to him not being a shiny new twitter favourite foreigner with some certain "fans". 

Yup, certainly feels like it. 

Can't believe we are wasting our money on Chilwell. He ticks all the right boxes for me in that he's the right kind of English player, but the amount of money being spent on him is a joke. Reguilon is a far better bet for us, as is Tagliafico.

3 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

What exactly did you solve? 

The whole complaint about how it should be invalid to have an opinion today about someone if you haven't watch him months prior to us being linked with him. Easy enough.

20 hours ago, Gol15 said:

I'm kind of serious here, even if I didn't regularly pay much attention to Chilwell and Reguilon it doesn't take more than an hour of my time to shape a real opinion of them just by googling around...It's irrelevant what I didn't know a month ago if I know a lot today.

I actually knew that Morata spent much of his career coming from the bench and at the time I supported Conte because he knew Morata and if he thought that Morata had what it takes to become the first choice striker and to lead the attack then so be it.

It just wasn't meant to be but at the time we needed a new striker, it's not the same comparison but there is no doubt that Chilwell and Reguilon are simply far better than what we have right now, I'm convinced that either of them (and as a result both of them in a package as well) are an improvement for us and make our team better.

If there is someone that still thinks that Alonso and Emerson are just as good as Chilwell and Reguilon that's another issue and a whole different kind of a problematic stance to take.

PS. Would I be happy if we signed Reguilon with a buy-back price of lets say 50m? No. I prefer a longer term solution because Marcelo maybe has only 1 more season left in him at the biggest stage in Real Madrid.

 

This signing would be made a lot better if we traded in Abraham to cut down on the price. Granted, Abraham isn't worth much and I wouldn't want him at my club if I were Leicester, but he should be able to get a few bob knocked off the price.

25 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Did the premier league official website share the fastest players in Spain too?

The data is flawed or irrelevant. You can't compare chilwell speed with reguillon based on different data sources. 

This coming from someone who is fine with signing chilwell 

That was from official LaLiga English twitter page and as I've mentioned above I was proving Chilwell isn't slow as was inferred by some in this topic.  Hitting a speed of 21.56 miles an hour answers that question the data proves he isn't slow.  

57 minutes ago, mwblue10 said:

To the first bolded point: price should only be an issue for us fans if it directly impacts the team by restricting our spending elsewhere, which with Chilwell, it’s obviously not. We’re still spending at least 150m in addition to the fee for him.

To the second bolded point: that is literally all you’ve done for weeks, written him off before he’s even officially signed for Chelsea, let alone had a minute on the pitch.

Thats a fair point saying it now, but initially it didn't seem like we had unlimited funds to spend on this many players! I still think we could have spent the money better and got a better player for less price, but if we are still going ahead with making more defensive signings with the money not mattering then its not as bad.

I haven't completely written him off, but I'm going in with low expectations based on his recent performances.

53 minutes ago, KaiHakimTimo said:

Can't believe we are wasting our money on Chilwell. He ticks all the right boxes for me in that he's the right kind of English player, but the amount of money being spent on him is a joke. Reguilon is a far better bet for us, as is Tagliafico.

“We are wasting our money on him. He ticks all the boxes but he doesn’t have a fancy name.”

3 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

“We are wasting our money on him. He ticks all the boxes but he doesn’t have a fancy name.”

This new member is very special, very special indeed.

21 minutes ago, dansubrosa said:

“We are wasting our money on him. He ticks all the boxes but he doesn’t have a fancy name.”

"I think he has the right name, it's proper English soundin' and I am a massive racist"