I wonder how this will change our transfer negotiations going forward. By all accounts, she was our negotiating specialist. Do deals get done quicker now? Do we sell for slightly lower prices rather than loan players out for years at a time? Do we bleed bidding into the late hours of the window only to panic and buy a Drinkwater again?

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

It was widely reported we offered him wages over 200k, if we went back to a back 4 you'd be the same person moaning we now had the sh*t Rudiger sat on high wages and unable to get rid of him. Rudiger leaving was more down to the fractures left over from Lamps time here. f**ked up the Kounde deal? what deal? We're in negotiations for him you weapon. Tomori was sold for a good price given his experience, another one that Lamps ostracised and didn't play for almost ayear so wanted out. Or is it Marina's fault Lampard refused to play him? Suppose she should have chose our line ups too. 

You can get players salaries from several different sources and believe whatever you choose, I imagine the rumoured £35k a week is more likely it but pick any number out of thin air to match your agenda: https://salarysport.com/football/player/malang-sarr/

So you moan that we don't spend enough to keep/get players, then you moan when we spend what's needed to actually land our number one transfer targets? This transfer was around the same time Madrid were paying £40m for unheard of 17 year old Brazilian's. So no, people weren't laughing at the transfer at the time like you pretend they were.

My last paragraph doesn't deserve a response because you have no excuse about how she was awarded the award? And i'm an incel because i can actually appreciate a woman doing a good job? Well done for admitting you still act like a Neanderthal.

You're just showing everyone on this forum what a bizarre person you are with those last couple of sentences. You do realise people can compliment other people without wanting to shag them or want something in return?

Clearly you have been rejected by many women over the years and feel the need to project that onto the rest of them to feel some kind of self worth. I hope you get the attention you so clearly crave in the near future and your mental state of mind improves.

Peace. 

Have you forgot to take your medication?  What kind of weirdo takes criticism of Marina's business deals which were quite frankly horrible and tries to twist it into some kind of argument that people have an agenda against Women?  No words. 

God bless your doctors.

Maybe ask them to remind you of the Kounde deal that easy to complete last summer as Sevilla set the price they wanted, a deadline and Kounde wanted to come.  Unfortunately Marina wanted to sell Zouma first and missed their deadline and we missed out.  

Madrid spending 40m on talented but unproven teenagers is nowhere near as bad as spending 58m on players that have already proven themselves not to be good enough like Pulisic had after his 4 poor seasons at Dortmund.   Marina's lack of negotiating ability is reflected in the fees we've paid for incoming players and the terrible contracts we've offered over her tenure far more than it is reflected by an irrelevant award.

One she only received out of sympathy and pity.  As stated previously Marina is like the slow kid at the school sports day who all the other parents clap and cheer long after the others have finished the race.   The other Directors probably gave it her out of sympathy given how badly they've all fleeced her for years.

I get Marina is a big part of the life you've imagined but putting aside your unrequited love ignoring her gender and solely focusing on the business deals she's completed for Chelsea.

Her record of failure speaks for itself unfortunately and it's a big part of why we've fallen behind City and Liverpool.  Both of which would never consider hiring Marina.

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2 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Strange comment given thats exactly the opposite kind of work to what Marina has done. Infact she prefers to see us lose our best players on free transfers because she's too busy mooching on Romans Yacht to negotiate with them.  Rudiger said himself he'd have re-signed if Marina didn't start ghosting him half say through the season for no reason

And she's the type to spend 58m on a bench warmer from a weaker league and pay him 150K a week so we can't actually get rid of him.

She's been embarrassingly bad at her job and is a huge part of why we've fell away from the top table since she took on her responsibilities.

The only positive impact Marina has had is on the Reputation of Emenalo who looks like an absolute genius in comparison.

Why do people speak about the work she's done without knowing what she does? 

She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 

She's been exceptional at her job but ultimately not a huge loss considering her role. 

Rudiger is a tw#t. 

11 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Why do people speak about the work she's done without knowing what she does? 

She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 

She's been exceptional at her job but ultimately not a huge loss considering her role. 

Rudiger is a tw#t. 

Why do her stans always pretend people don't know her role when they try to defend her?  It's the go to defence even when it makes no sense regarding anything that has been said.

No one has suggested she picks the players.

The fees we pay for incoming players that she negotiates and the terrible contracts she negotiates are where she earns a lot of her criticism.

Very very rarely do we sign a player where it looks like we haven't drastically overpaid when we announce the deal.  Look at our incomings during her tenure.  In what way has she been exceptional? And how many terrible players do we have on such huge contracts we can't give them away?  She's exceptional for players agents and selling clubs but that isn't good business for Chelsea.

Rudiger is a winner,  well worthy of a role at a top club.  I wouldn't say the same for Marina

 

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8 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

She's a club director and transfer/contract negotiator. She is a not a sporting director. She does not identify and personally pick the targets. 

She did make sure the sporting director we did have up until 2017 left the club though. Through a power struggle which she ultimately won.

You can call it whatever you want but she absorbed the sporting director role into hers since 2017. And we've all seen what that have led to in the transfer market. Now, maybe it was Roman who made that decision or maybe it was Marina (they clearly work closely together) but it was one sh*te decision either way to not get a replacement for Emenalo.

She's been in charge of running the club for a long period of time right now. What has she done that's that great?

Do we have a good wage structure? No it's shambles.
Do we have a good transfer structure? No it's shambles.
Do we have a good scouting structure? See above
Have we done great commercially during her reign? No we have fallen behind our competitors here too.
Have we competed for Premier League titles since 2017? Not even close once.

What excactly has she done that's great?

 

 

I think its telling the two main spearheads in Marina and Buck are leaving now vs when they were scheduled to leave (End of August?). Clearly those two run the biggest operations in the club so it will be interesting to see how effectively or ineffectively we operate moving forward. 

 

7 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Just confirmed he's leaving, you got your wish!

Buck isn’t technically leaving the club though, he’s staying as a senior advisor. 

1 hour ago, enigma said:

 

That is a fair point.

Also apparently Todd phoned his mate Bill to pass on a message to Big Pete:

2 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Why do her stans always pretend people don't know her role when they try to defend her?  It's the go to defence even when it makes no sense regarding anything that has been said.

No one has suggested she picks the players.

The fees we pay for incoming players that she negotiates and the terrible contracts she negotiates are where she earns a lot of her criticism.

Very very rarely do we sign a player where it looks like we haven't drastically overpaid when we announce the deal.  Look at our incomings during her tenure.  In what way has she been exceptional? And how many terrible players do we have on such huge contracts we can't give them away?  She's exceptional for players agents and selling clubs but that isn't good business for Chelsea.

Rudiger is a winner,  well worthy of a role at a top club.  I wouldn't say the same for Marina

 

Normally wouldn’t engage you because I think you are enjoying this, but need to clarify the contracts issues. It is very rare to find football players moving for less money unless they force the move themselves (i.e. want out). A few recent examples; Thiago was on €130k/w at Bayern, he is on £200k/w at Liverpool, Sancho €100k/w at Dortmund, he is on £350k/w at Utd, Grealish £140k/w at Villa, he is on £300k/w at City, Zouma £40k/w at Chelsea, he is on £120k/w at West Ham.

Can people stop quoting that thick twatter bellend please, each tme you do it lowers the average IQ of the forum by at least 5 points.

21 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Normally wouldn’t engage you because I think you are enjoying this, but need to clarify the contracts issues. It is very rare to find football players moving for less money unless they force the move themselves (i.e. want out). A few recent examples; Thiago was on €130k/w at Bayern, he is on £200k/w at Liverpool, Sancho €100k/w at Dortmund, he is on £350k/w at Utd, Grealish £140k/w at Villa, he is on £300k/w at City, Zouma £40k/w at Chelsea, he is on £120k/w at West Ham.

Another post of no value.  I'm not sure what your point is?

Generally players command higher wages when they move to a big club because they're moving on the back of good performances and they can they command a higher fee.  All the players you had listed had done that aside from Zouma who while good for us really needed the pay rise to be encourage him to move to West Ham who likely weren't the most appealing option for him

Some of our players like Havertz and Werner are in that category even though we pay them a huge amount for what they've shown. They had leverage prior to us signing them.

But that's very different to signing people like Pulisic, Kepa, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, RLC etc to big money contracts.  These players sucked at their previous clubs or had no leverage and were incredibly lucky to be considered by us, no other top club would ever have looked at them and they know that.

Why are we then offering them huge salaries?  Liverpool sign quality players like Diaz and pay them less than 60K a week because the players are desperate for the opportunity to play at the top level.

How does Marina manage to pay someone like Kepa 170K a week when he was average at Bilbao, no other club wanted him and he was on £35K a week there?

There's absolutely no way he'd have turned down 70K and the opportunity to play at a level he'd never get the chance to play at again.

Why is master negotiater Marina consistantly offering such ridiculous wages particularly to players that have no leverage or other options to earn half the amount we offer them?

It's the hallmark of her Tenure.

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4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Sackings were ordered by Roman and transfers were agreed by our scouts. But sure, lets blame the woman and the American because they don't belong in the English mans game! We won absolutely everything with those two in their positions too, or do they only take the blame and no praise? As previously mentioned, bore off.

Look at the long list of transfers where we have completely overpaid. And then look at the huge contracts they were all given, which has made it impossible to sell any of the dross.  We are about $150m down on transfer fees alone since 2017 ... difference between what players were signed for, and what we received when they left. And that will only get worse when Bakayoko and Batshuayi finally depart, let alone the huge hit we will incur from the more recent signings. City in the same period are about £30m up. 

This is not some sort of sexist agenda - it is a question of basic competence ... and in this case the lack of it.

I imagine Boehly has taken one cold look at what he has inherited and made the every obvious decision that changes are needed. 

This is just one example of the many changes being made upstairs, maybe people who are impatient about transfers can finally understand that there are a lot of changes going on at the club this summer and ahouldnt expect things to go as quick as our rivals.

Marina's "Director of the Year" award is often quoted on here in her defence .... 

Here is the link to the article about it on the club web site: https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2021/11/22/marina-granovskaia-wins-prestigious-award 

I quote: "Granovskaia, who has been a Chelsea director since 2013, is mainly responsible for player transactions and contracts"

I hope that clears up what her role is ... 

Also amusing that this director Award is part of the Golden Boy awards, organised by the Italian newspaper Tuttosport. Given the number of Italian clubs that have hugely benefited from dealing with Granovskaia, you can certainly understand why an Italian panel of judges would be massive fans of hers LOL

13 minutes ago, HazardousChoice said:

Another post of no value.  I'm not sure what your point is?

Generally players command higher wages when they move to a big club because they're moving on the back of good performances and they can they command a higher fee.  All the players you had listed had done that aside from Zouma who while good for us really needed the pay rise to be encourage him to move to West Ham who likely weren't the most appealing option for him

Some of our players like Havertz and Werner are in that category even though we pay them a huge amount for what they've shown. They had leverage prior to us signing them.

But that's very different to signing people like Pulisic, Kepa, Drinkwater, Zappacosta, RLC etc to big money contracts.  These players sucked at their previous clubs or had no leverage and were incredibly lucky to be considered by us, no other top club would ever have looked at them and they know that.

Why are we then offering them huge salaries?  Liverpool sign quality players like Diaz and pay them less than 60K a week because the players are desperate for the opportunity to play at the top level.

How does Marina manage to pay someone like Kepa 170K a week when he was average at Bilbao, no other club wanted him and he was on £35K a week there?

There's absolutely no way he'd have turned down 70K and the opportunity to play at a level he'd never get the chance to play at again.

Why is master negotiater Marina consistantly offering such ridiculous wages particularly to players that have no leverage or other options to earn half the amount we offer them?

It's the hallmark of her Tenure.

Diaz was on €20k/w at Porto, & got bumped to £56k/w at Liverpool. Drinkwater was already on £90k/w at Leicester after their PL win.

A very recent one is Darwin Nunez who was on €15k/w at Benfica getting bumped up to £120k/w at Liverpool on the back of 1 good season in the Portuguese league. It isn’t a unique situation, every club bumps up contracts to entice players. We are only focused on it because these transfers haven’t worked out. That isn’t on Marina.

18 minutes ago, ducavis said:

Diaz was on €20k/w at Porto, & got bumped to £56k/w at Liverpool. Drinkwater was already on £90k/w at Leicester after their PL win.

A very recent one is Darwin Nunez who was on €15k/w at Benfica getting bumped up to £120k/w at Liverpool on the back of 1 good season in the Portuguese league. It isn’t a unique situation, every club bumps up contracts to entice players. We are only focused on it because these transfers haven’t worked out. That isn’t on Marina.

Why do you embarrass yourself tying yourself in knots to claim things aren't on Marina?  She's the head negotiator ffs if us vastly overpaying for contracts isn't on Marina who is it on?

Who's responsibility is it in your world?

Nunez is coming off the back of a great season and has leverage to command high wages because there's so many clubs interested.  If Liverpool didn't want to pay him more than 50K a week he'd have just joined United and got what he wanted

Nobody wanted Kepa, there was no battle,  He wasn't coming off the back of a good season.  He was on 35K a week and no one was offering more.

There's no feasible reason why Marina would offer him 170K a week on a 7 year contract or why Kepa would turn down 70K a week because he has no hope of earning that elsewhere.

From a financial, business and football stand point it's an insane contract that no one with any kind of negotiational skills or understanding of either basic finance or the game would sanction.

How many clubs in the world can pay 170K a week to a goal keeper? Not many and those that can often have top class goal keepers so when you offer a keeper 170K a week you create a situation where it's next to impossible to get him off the wage bill if he isn't world class which is where we are now.

It's just terrible by Marina and I'm not sure how you can attempt to defend it with "If Kepa was the best keeper in the world it would be a good signing it isn't her fault he's not been good on the pitch"

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She drove hard bargains up until we signed Morata, there was a clear £32m limit and clubs would sell us players for that amount and no more.

Maybe because we make big sales and agents know how much we have in the bank so they refuse to accept anything less than market rate, her job becomes difficult to bargain when we haven't challenged for the league in years as well.

Athletic are saying that she will be leaving this week - it was expected that she would leave after the window. Something must have happened. 

3 hours ago, HazardousChoice said:

Why do you embarrass yourself tying yourself in knots to claim things aren't on Marina?  She's the head negotiator ffs if us vastly overpaying for contracts isn't on Marina who is it on?

Who's responsibility is it in your world?

Nunez is coming off the back of a great season and has leverage to command high wages because there's so many clubs interested.  If Liverpool didn't want to pay him more than 50K a week he'd have just joined United and got what he wanted

Nobody wanted Kepa, there was no battle,  He wasn't coming off the back of a good season.  He was on 35K a week and no one was offering more.

There's no feasible reason why Marina would offer him 170K a week on a 7 year contract or why Kepa would turn down 70K a week because he has no hope of earning that elsewhere.

From a financial, business and football stand point it's an insane contract that no one with any kind of negotiational skills or understanding of either basic finance or the game would sanction.

How many clubs in the world can pay 170K a week to a goal keeper? Not many and those that can often have top class goal keepers so when you offer a keeper 170K a week you create a situation where it's next to impossible to get him off the wage bill if he isn't world class which is where we are now.

It's just terrible by Marina and I'm not sure how you can attempt to defend it with "If Kepa was the best keeper in the world it would be a good signing it isn't her fault he's not been good on the pitch"

You keep banging on about Kepa and saying how other posters embarrass themselves, when it’s you who is embarrassing. Kepa was sought after by Real Madrid, not having renewed his contract with Athletic. Finally, he renewed until 2025 and would become the highest earner in the club, 4.6m €. He was their starting keeper and was seen as a quality keeper by Athletic fans and other clubs (Real Madrid interest was genuine), going to the national team. He had a new contract, had a rescission clause of 80m and Courtois left us with few choices. It’s known that Sarri wanted him. Marina got him having to pay the clause as Athletic would not have sold him to us. It hasn’t worked out for him at Chelsea, but get the facts right instead of embarrassing yourself with fake news. And grow up and stop with your Marina obsession, she may not be everyone’s cup of tea, and she may have got  it wrong with some targets, but stop pointing the finger at her at every opportunity, it’s childish.

https://www.marca.com/futbol/real-madrid/2017/11/30/5a1f2ef8e2704e7e368b464e.html

https://athletic.elcorreo.com/kepa-renovacion-athletic-20180122095951-nt.html

11 minutes ago, RMH said:

You keep banging on about Kepa and saying how other posters embarrass themselves, when it’s you who is embarrassing. Kepa was sought after by Real Madrid, not having renewed his contract with Athletic.

 

What are you talking about?

Kepa was linked with Real Madrid 6 months prior to us signing him when he had an £18m release clause because he was seen as a potential young home grown backup to Navas/Courtois.

Zidane and the Madrid execs then decided against the signing because they didn't think Kepa was good enough to be a back up for them and didn't think he was worth his £18m release clause.

The rest of your post is irrelevant waffle, him being a waste of money and his position in the Bilbao squad has nothing to do with how poorly Marina negotiated to give him 170K a week.

I'm not even commenting on the transfer fee or what a monumental disaster must have occurred within our scouting department that we even looked at Kepa who was average for Bilbao.   People scapegoat Courtois but we really shouldn't have been so poorly prepared when it came to signing a replacement.  For a club of our size not having a backup plan in such a key position was embarrassing.

As for pointing fingers? It's the Marina thread and she's been disastrous for us.  Hopefully she's gone within the week and we can all put the nightmare of her being associated with the club behind us.  

It's going to take a lot longer to undo all the damage she's caused though many of the contracts she signed we won't be able to shift.

Actually Kepa's ludicrous contract will likely be the last Marina masterclass left staining the squad.

Edited June 20, 20224 yr by HazardousChoice

selling Hazard for 160 million pounds when he's 29 and only 1 year left on his contract was decent though

 

27 minutes ago, azpi28 said:

selling Hazard for 160 million pounds when he's 29 and only 1 year left on his contract was decent though

 

Yeah until then spunking it on the dogs face buying Lukaku lol

24 minutes ago, Kantesmini said:

Yeah until then spunking it on the dogs face buying Lukaku lol

Yes, pretty much Marina in a nutshell = ‘one step forward, two steps back’