22 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Sure, but how do you know he has higher potential?

Probably because he's still a teenager 

2 hours ago, just said:

Thought he was our best player whilst he was on the pitch last night. His touch, control and vision were superb. He thinks and moves faster than some of the players around him.

very fast feet, good positions on the field, fast decision making, turns cleverly and well paced passes, he kind of has two assists in two games. Has to stay. I can see two out of Action Jackson, Nunku and Carney starting most weeks

1 hour ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Sure, but how do you know he has higher potential?

It's not that complicated, age and quality can pretty much indicate that? If someone is younger and playing better than someone who's older, you can pretty much determine that the younger player has a higher ceiling. 

For example, I think Carney has more potential than Gallagher. The stats will say otherwise, but Carney is 4 years younger and I see far more quality on the ball from him than I do Gallagher. So I would say he has a higher ceiling. 

1 hour ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Sure, but how do you know he has higher potential?

One can't know such things. One expresses an entirely subjective opinion based on a recipe of (a) observation; (b) hundreds of hours of research; and (c) animal sacrifices on the altar of talent spotting. Much as the soul who signed Tiemoue Bakayoko did. 

20 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

It's not that complicated, age and quality can pretty much indicate that? If someone is younger and playing better than someone who's older, you can pretty much determine that the younger player has a higher ceiling. 

For example, I think Carney has more potential than Gallagher. The stats will say otherwise, but Carney is 4 years younger and I see far more quality on the ball from him than I do Gallagher. So I would say he has a higher ceiling. 

I hope you're right. I've not seen Chukwumeka do anything in a Chelsea shirt as yet and certainly couldn't say he's better than either Ruben or Conor.

20 hours ago, Victor90 said:

It's not that complicated, age and quality can pretty much indicate that? If someone is younger and playing better than someone who's older, you can pretty much determine that the younger player has a higher ceiling. 

For example, I think Carney has more potential than Gallagher. The stats will say otherwise, but Carney is 4 years younger and I see far more quality on the ball from him than I do Gallagher. So I would say he has a higher ceiling. 

Carney's younger and played better than Foden this pre season, but you couldn't say his ceiling is higher for example. Its all opinion at the end of the day no one truly knows how someone's career will turn out.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Carney's younger and played better than Foden this pre season, but you couldn't say his ceiling is higher for example. Its all opinion at the end of the day no one truly knows how someone's career will turn out.

Foden... Really?? That's a completely unfair comparison. 

21 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

I hope you're right. I've not seen Chukwumeka do anything in a Chelsea shirt as yet and certainly couldn't say he's better than either Ruben or Conor.

He's just saying that he could be. 

Carney could be a key first team player for us over the next decade. 

Ruben isn't. Conor likely isn't going to be.

It's one of the least controversial statements I've seen on here 🤣

2 hours ago, Victor90 said:

Foden... Really?? That's a completely unfair comparison. 

But you said if someone's younger and currently playing better they have a higher ceiling?

3 hours ago, bisright1 said:

He's just saying that he could be. 

Carney could be a key first team player for us over the next decade. 

Ruben isn't. Conor likely isn't going to be.

It's one of the least controversial statements I've seen on here 🤣

He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

 

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.

3 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

 

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.

That doesn't make sense. Ceiling is already a variable term, you don't need to stick may/may not on the front of it. Your just annoyed by the term ceiling.

In simple terms, Carney has the ability to have a 4/10 career or a 8/10 career. Ruben will have a 6 or a 7/10 career. So Carneys ceiling is 8.

He might turn out to be sh*t, but at his age and from what he's shown, he could turn out to be better than Ruben. That's what the term ceiling means. 

I'd argue that 19 yo Ruben had a higher ceiling/potential than pretty much any academy player at his age from Chelsea. He just didn't hit it due to injuries and other factors. 

My ceilings are Artexed. I think it's a bit 1980's meself but the missus still likes it.

 

4 hours ago, RIP Mourinho said:

But you said if someone's younger and currently playing better they have a higher ceiling?

And you somehow chalked it down to pre-season, when we both clearly know Foden has been playing far better and more frequently than Carney... 

 

2 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

He said "Carney has the higher ceiling" not "Carney may or may not have the higher ceiling". 😊

 

When people make such statements about "ceilings" I usually think they've probably been playing a little too much Football Manager - but am always open to seeing their thought process and so forth.

Jesus Christ, do I need to always clarify when I mean something literally and when I don't? Of course I could be wrong, but I think it's fair to say that Carney has a higher ceiling just given how much younger he is. 

It should be blatantly obvious to anyone that nobody can actually physically see someone's potential, it's not football manager, all we can do is assume and speculate. Sorry I thought that was a goes without saying statement, clearly not. 

12 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

And you somehow chalked it down to pre-season, when we both clearly know Foden has been playing far better and more frequently than Carney... 

 

Foden was on the bench for the majority of last season as was Carney, can only go off recent data.

The point was quite literally no one, especially anyone that spends their time on a forum discussing players, has any idea about a players potential 'ceiling'.

13 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Foden was on the bench for the majority of last season as was Carney, can only go off recent data.

The point was quite literally no one, especially anyone that spends their time on a forum discussing players, has any idea about a players potential 'ceiling'.

Correct. Very well put.

38 minutes ago, RIP Mourinho said:

Foden was on the bench for the majority of last season as was Carney, can only go off recent data.

The point was quite literally no one, especially anyone that spends their time on a forum discussing players, has any idea about a players potential 'ceiling'.

Ok, next time I'll make it more clear.

I wouldn't want someone to think that we can physically see an XP bar hovering over footballers heads in real life, and if we click the red interactive button it shows us their potential figure. And that potential is judged solely on pre-season and extreme recency, so for example, I genuinely believed Yossi Benayoun had a higher ceiling than Messi in 2011. 

Phew! I'm glad we got that out of the way. 

4 hours ago, Sconnie Blue said:

 

Really glad you posted this as i feel like i have been in a minority. I look at this lad and can genuinely see shades of Bellingham in him. I can see him developing as one of those midfielders that all the great sides have, that don't necessarily have one fixed position but basically runs the whole of the midfield. I really do see that potential in him.

Okay, so i might be going a bit over the top a bit too soon, but i am surprised that he isn't getting more positive reviews. I just hope he gets a good run of games and stays injury free.

I believe Pochettino will pick him as his Nkunku alternative. If we sign Olise/Kudus/Cherki, then that completes 2 players for each of the center, left and right deep attacker positions.

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

I believe Pochettino will pick him as his Nkunku alternative. If we sign Olise/Kudus/Cherki, then that completes 2 players for each of the center, left and right deep attacker positions.

That makes sense to me. Equally though Nkunku can play as a 9 although not his best spot. Mudryck/Jackson/Nkunku, Mudryck/Nkunku/Carney, Mudryck/Jackson/Carney

The rise of Carney might be why we're open to selling Gallagher.

1 hour ago, RIP Mourinho said:

The rise of Carney might be why we're open to selling Gallagher.

Those two are very different players. I feel we are trying to build a squad where passing sideways and backwards is something we only do when winning and trying to spend some time on the ball.

Gallagher in pre-season couldn't find moves forward to save his life.

Chukwuemeka in return isn't someone running around players trying to steal the ball from as quickly as possible. He is a ball carrier first and foremost. Reminds me of Ruben. 

 

53 minutes ago, evissy said:

Those two are very different players. I feel we are trying to build a squad where passing sideways and backwards is something we only do when winning and trying to spend some time on the ball.

Gallagher in pre-season couldn't find moves forward to save his life.

Chukwuemeka in return isn't someone running around players trying to steal the ball from as quickly as possible. He is a ball carrier first and foremost. Reminds me of Ruben. 

 

Gallagher's a bit of square peg in a round hole. He's not really a 10, he's too rash to play in a pivot and we don't really play with an actual 8 like he's more suited too. 

Carney is a different type of player but looks like he suits the squad more. 

Impressed again. For a long time we have wanted a player who can link midfield and the striker. Carney looks like he might be that player. Super fast feet, sees a pass early and is hard to muscle off the ball. Has had a great pre-season so far.