1 hour ago, Zeta said:

He may not want to leave, but where is he going to get minutes? He's not getting in ahead of the 250m duo of Caicedo and Enzo. He's not getting in ahead of Palmer. He's a totally different profile/position to the Gallagher/Dewsbury-Hall type midfielder. Where's he going to play? We just keep stacking up player on top of player, with seemingly no real plan of how to use them.

It would show he's worth it if he can fight his way into the first team. Or at least being a squad player. 

1 hour ago, dermott said:

Bear in mind next season involves midweek matches in North Eastern Lower Woop-Woop. We're going to need a squad.

Is it really 80+ games...I don't recall where I saw that number but that's nuts right!?

58 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Fantastic player but he's made of glass. I'd be tempted to sell if we got a bid of £30m.

One of my issues when ppl post about the players that are/were injured most of last season is I can't take it seriously that they are an "active" member of the squad for this coming season. If that makes any sense...sry i might not be explaining myself properly.

Him, lavia, fofana, etc...are they off the medical table yet? How long before they are back in to see the nurse? How many games will we get out of them? 

Stability was a big issue with us last season...between poch dabbling or misuse and the injuries, it was even harder for these kids to find Stability imho.

 

10 minutes ago, Simplymo said:

It would show he's worth it if he can fight his way into the first team. Or at least being a squad player. 

Is it really 80+ games...I don't recall where I saw that number but that's nuts right!?

One of my issues when ppl post about the players that are/were injured most of last season is I can't take it seriously that they are an "active" member of the squad for this coming season. If that makes any sense...sry i might not be explaining myself properly.

Him, lavia, fofana, etc...are they off the medical table yet? How long before they are back in to see the nurse? How many games will we get out of them? 

Stability was a big issue with us last season...between poch dabbling or misuse and the injuries, it was even harder for these kids to find Stability imho.

Exactly. It's worth us remembering that Chukwuemeka hasn't started a match since August 2023...!

45 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Exactly. It's worth us remembering that Chukwuemeka hasn't started a match since August 2023...!

Bloody hell...thats longer than I thought.

That's the thing...my brain can't accept any of these injured guys as part of the actual squad atm. So worrying about new signings replacing them or stopping them from developing is mute for me, imho.

And I can't genuinely say he's better than him, or him or him, etc. Sometimes our minds play tricks and we remember them better or worse,  and sometimes the players are actually not the same after an injury.

Until ppl actually play and we can compare them properly, I will have to just watch my hope/trust in the SDs hands.

Edited July 3, 20242 yr by Simplymo

2 hours ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Fantastic player but he's made of glass. I'd be tempted to sell if we got a bid of £30m.

Is he though? He's had a bad injury but then so has Lavia, so has James, so has Fofana.  For the most part the exact nature of the injuries is closely guarded secrets because it so directly affects the value of the player. He may have a semi permanent long term injury, but he may also turn up and be fully fit all season.

4 minutes ago, ozboy said:

Is he though? He's had a bad injury but then so has Lavia, so has James, so has Fofana.  For the most part the exact nature of the injuries is closely guarded secrets because it so directly affects the value of the player. He may have a semi permanent long term injury, but he may also turn up and be fully fit all season.

James and Fofana are also made of glass.

2 hours ago, Zeta said:

He may not want to leave, but where is he going to get minutes? He's not getting in ahead of the 250m duo of Caicedo and Enzo. He's not getting in ahead of Palmer. He's a totally different profile/position to the Gallagher/Dewsbury-Hall type midfielder. Where's he going to play? We just keep stacking up player on top of player, with seemingly no real plan of how to use them.

It's interesting to pick a starting 11.  Stupidly assuming everyone  is fit and playing a 4 3 3 because that is the system I like then I'm going with 

 

Petrovic

James(could pick gusto) fofana Colwill cucu

caicedo enzo Carney

Palmer Jackson Nkunku

A more conservative midfield 3 might be

Caicedo Lavia Enzo 

However I don't like the conservative midfield because it won't score any goals. Mourinho made 4 3 3 so successful because he had Lampard. Enzo is a great player but not a consistent goal scorer or even that clever round the box. I like Carney to be the 8 that does the job of a 10 as well as midfield linking. 

You've still got Paez and Estevao coming a long a year behind, so there are a truckload of attacking midfielders competing for very few spots.

Edited July 3, 20242 yr by ozboy

5 minutes ago, Gordon Bennett said:

James and Fofana are also made of glass.

Let's not forget Chilly please

The thing that distinguishes Carney from most of the others I reckon is his physicality. All the attacking mids have brilliant touches and are good on the ball but Enzo has neither pace  nor power, he is a distributor, even Palmer has to rely on ball skills rather than pace or power. Nkunku is probably more similar to Palmer than anyone else on the team. Carney has a great touch but is maybe more athletic or so it seems to me. But hey he probably really is made of glass. I'd like to know what treatment the medical team has given him over the past year. 

6 minutes ago, ozboy said:

The thing that distinguishes Carney from most of the others I reckon is his physicality. All the attacking mids have brilliant touches and are good on the ball but Enzo has neither pace  nor power, he is a distributor, even Palmer has to rely on ball skills rather than pace or power. Nkunku is probably more similar to Palmer than anyone else on the team. Carney has a great touch but is maybe more athletic or so it seems to me. But hey he probably really is made of glass. I'd like to know what treatment the medical team has given him over the past year. 

Being the ever cynic i did often wonder that with a squad depth of 30 odd players (had to knock down a changing room wall at Cobham apparently) it kind of worked for Poch and his team to "manage" the returns of these players. I am sure that there are some real cases out there but there were instances where it seemed to me too convenient for players to just disappear. Ugochukwu just disappeared for half a season. I never did find out what was wrong with him.

22 hours ago, Zeta said:

He may not want to leave, but where is he going to get minutes? He's not getting in ahead of the 250m duo of Caicedo and Enzo. He's not getting in ahead of Palmer. He's a totally different profile/position to the Gallagher/Dewsbury-Hall type midfielder. Where's he going to play? We just keep stacking up player on top of player, with seemingly no real plan of how to use them.

Challenges KDH in that role imo. the player that links the midfield and attack. I think KDH was signed because of his familiarity with the system (Jorginho v.2), but once the other players get up to speed i just don't see how he starts over Carney/Enzo/Caicedo/Lavia. 

On 03/07/2024 at 13:01, ozboy said:

The thing that distinguishes Carney from most of the others I reckon is his physicality. All the attacking mids have brilliant touches and are good on the ball but Enzo has neither pace  nor power, he is a distributor, even Palmer has to rely on ball skills rather than pace or power. Nkunku is probably more similar to Palmer than anyone else on the team. Carney has a great touch but is maybe more athletic or so it seems to me. But hey he probably really is made of glass. I'd like to know what treatment the medical team has given him over the past year. 

I have always rated Carney. Right from the off. Tremendous touch and control in tight areas. Plus, as you say @ozboy, his physical presence. Get him fit he could be a monster.

It would be insane to sell him or throw him in as part of a swap deal.

11 minutes ago, just said:

I have always rated Carney. Right from the off. Tremendous touch and control in tight areas. Plus, as you say @ozboy, his physical presence. Get him fit he could be a monster.

It would be insane to sell him or throw him in as part of a swap deal.

Same. He looked impressive in the pre-season and at the start of the season. If he hadn't been injured, he probably would have become a nailed on starter. I sincerely hope he won't be sold, and when fit our new manager  - whose name keeps escaping me, what a sign of past experiences - will see a place for him in our starting XI.

Is he injured? Not even on the bench last night I believe.

Incredible given the talent this kid has. There are two young players we should absolutely be investing in IMO. Carney and Noni.

Load management with he and Colwill. 

Yeah, we have an army out there...I doubt one coach is enough for just the players.

Not used again last night. Fear that we are going to off-load him. Massive mistake.

God, this club at the moment. Unbelievable. 

6 minutes ago, just said:

Not used again last night. Fear that we are going to off-load him. Massive mistake.

God, this club at the moment. Unbelievable. 

At this point, any signings feel completely useless. They just see the £££ rather than footballing potential. 

He is one of the few who i really rate from the new owners buys... i dont get it, hope he come back into the side.

Clearly no real plan for him, Kelleyman will bet similar treatment.

https://onefootball.com/pt-br/noticias/chelsea-wont-accept-a-loss-on-20m-midfielder-who-cant-get-a-game-and-loan-is-off-the-cards-39861209

I'd much prefer Maresca to leave rather than Chucky.

1 hour ago, just said:

https://onefootball.com/pt-br/noticias/chelsea-wont-accept-a-loss-on-20m-midfielder-who-cant-get-a-game-and-loan-is-off-the-cards-39861209

I'd much prefer Maresca to leave rather than Chucky.

We are going to increasingly see this problem in the years ahead. Especially with loan limitations. There just isn't room to give all these midfielders adequate playing time. Even if we hadn't signed KDH, but had kept Conor, we would have the same challenge. We should be focused on quality signings vs. quantity.

On 04/08/2024 at 09:17, JM7 said:

They just see the £££ rather than footballing potential. 

Why are they seeing £££ though? They've yet to offload a single one at a profit.

On 05/08/2024 at 23:28, big blue said:

Clearly no real plan for him, Kelleyman will bet similar treatment.

Already with the u21s. A £19m youth signing 

How is there no place for Carney in the team?! Same for Chalobah.

It really enforces the view the board is very incompetent and maybe worse our manager does nothing against it. 

They bought too many players again... and what does it do with team morale if teammates are excluded for non sporting reasons. There is no wiggle room apperently, either you are in or out. Just baffling really...

 

Edited August 7, 20241 yr by Nevamind

1 hour ago, Gordon Bennett said:

Why are they seeing £££ though? They've yet to offload a single one at a profit.

Totally agree. I think players like Casadei, Santos, D. Fofana etc. will give us an idea about their model. Brought in a couple of years ago, and look unlikely to make it into our first team. So, will we be able to sell them on? If so, will it be for loss or profit when all has been accounted (loan fees, wages over contract etc.)?