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what the hell has happened to our team we have to many players that just dont cut it as chelsea players  loftus cheek,  hudson odi  pullisic, they have not done it in the last two years just get rid  and stop buying old defenders who have lost there pace ,and if anyone has ever been convinced that Mendy is our GK answer your living in cloud cookoo land  the guy is tall thats about it a great number two  but not number 1

where is the spine of the team   we always had power and height  Cech , terry, essian , ballack  Drogba  a real spine  now we have   GK  Bandy legs   CD, two old guys , CM two midgets, and no striker  and we think we are going to challenge  

 

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48 minutes ago, dellaw said:

what the hell has happened to our team we have to many players that just dont cut it as chelsea players  loftus cheek,  hudson odi  pullisic, they have not done it in the last two years just get rid  and stop buying old defenders who have lost there pace ,and if anyone has ever been convinced that Mendy is our GK answer your living in cloud cookoo land  the guy is tall thats about it a great number two  but not number 1

where is the spine of the team   we always had power and height  Cech , terry, essian , ballack  Drogba  a real spine  now we have   GK  Bandy legs   CD, two old guys , CM two midgets, and no striker  and we think we are going to challenge  

 

Challenge is not going to happen this season think top 4 is the priority.

We seem to be plagued by injury crisises in recent seasons, Kante is getting older and most acknowledge this yet Kovacic is also has a few more than you would expect leaving us with the limited Jorginho or RCL and Gallager trying to find his role in the team.

Now Broja injured too...........

 

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We need to sort out the attack. Swap our back line with City's or Pools and we will still struggle because we just don't score goals. Mount needs to do more and especially Havertz. He was signed to be a main contributer in attack, be it goals or assists and he does neither.

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Its very telling that just two years after winning the Champions League most Chelsea fans including the management by the looks of the rumours, would probably have 6-7 new players in the starting 11. That is a shocking level of deterioration in such a short timeframe. Having to replace the majority of the first team every couple of years, with modern day prices is just not sustainable.

Now more than ever we need to scout well and shop wisely. If we go in big that is fine but we can't keep throwing good money after bad.  In 2-3 years we should be topping up each window with 1 or 2 maximum choice selected targets, not hunting after every player in the market like a bitch in heat.

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10 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

Its very telling that just two years after winning the Champions League most Chelsea fans including the management by the looks of the rumours, would probably have 6-7 new players in the starting 11. That is a shocking level of deterioration in such a short timeframe. Having to replace the majority of the first team every couple of years, with modern day prices is just not sustainable.

Now more than ever we need to scout well and shop wisely. If we go in big that is fine but we can't keep throwing good money after bad.  In 2-3 years we should be topping up each window with 1 or 2 maximum choice selected targets, not hunting after every player in the market like a bitch in heat.

Well it's not as if the team that won the CL was great. Nor the one that won the first CL. This squad was due for an overhaul. This is Tuchel's 2nd full season and he's only had Sterling, Koulibaly, and Cucurella just arrive. 

People are getting far too carried away. These new signings need time to gel with the team - they're all starters. Koulibaly needs time to adjust to the pace of the PL, which is clear to see. And we are short of midfield quality due to perennial injuries. We are still short of a CB and a decent goalscorer - and we can use a quality midfielder - but I'd imagine that will be sorted soon. 

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1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

Well it's not as if the team that won the CL was great. Nor the one that won the first CL. This squad was due for an overhaul. This is Tuchel's 2nd full season and he's only had Sterling, Koulibaly, and Cucurella just arrive. 

People are getting far too carried away. These new signings need time to gel with the team - they're all starters. Koulibaly needs time to adjust to the pace of the PL, which is clear to see. And we are short of midfield quality due to perennial injuries. We are still short of a CB and a decent goalscorer - and we can use a quality midfielder - but I'd imagine that will be sorted soon. 

If we all 33 year olds time to adjust   they will be surplus to requirements  before they play and worth nothing in sell on value  

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1 hour ago, dellaw said:

If we all 33 year olds time to adjust   they will be surplus to requirements  before they play and worth nothing in sell on value  

I'm not sure what '33 year olds' has to do with anything - Koulibaly is 31. And the average time for bedding in a player from a foreign league seems to be 6-12 months. Which isn't necessarily a reflection of the overall quality of their performances. Koulibaly was great against Spurs afterall.

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We’re a team that was created by multiple managers for multiple systems. This has been the problem for years and is why we’re so up and down.

It seems we’re finally going to back a manager. Let’s see where we are after Tuchel has moulded a team in his ideas 

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4 hours ago, Blueboys said:

We’re a team that was created by multiple managers for multiple systems. This has been the problem for years and is why we’re so up and down.

It seems we’re finally going to back a manager. Let’s see where we are after Tuchel has moulded a team in his ideas 

bankrupt  if we pay stupid money for players like these  Pierre-Emerick Aubameyang and Anthony Gordon  one is 33 the other is a down grade on what we have  think Tuchel  is not aware of whats out there  so is looking through rose tinted glasses  and  found is list of players he should sign from 2017 

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On 22/08/2022 at 11:55, dellaw said:

what the hell has happened to our team we have to many players that just dont cut it as chelsea players  loftus cheek,  hudson odi  pullisic, they have not done it in the last two years just get rid  and stop buying old defenders who have lost there pace ,and if anyone has ever been convinced that Mendy is our GK answer your living in cloud cookoo land  the guy is tall thats about it a great number two  but not number 1

where is the spine of the team   we always had power and height  Cech , terry, essian , ballack  Drogba  a real spine  now we have   GK  Bandy legs   CD, two old guys , CM two midgets, and no striker  and we think we are going to challenge  

 

This only looks at the Roman years. We might be looking at before this time. If they want to keep their 4.5 billion asset, they will need to upgrade the squad every so often.

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In all honesty, I think the squad looked stronger this time last year. 

I dont really understand what we have been trying to achieve in this window. 

Replacing Lukaku with Aubameyang if it happens, is a step sideways at best. 

Swapping Werner, Ziyech, and CHO for Sterling and Gordon, arguably makes us worse. 

Cucurella looks like a quality player, and was probably needed after Chilwells injury, but theres not much between Cururella and pre injury Chilwell. 

Koulibaly for Rudiger, is probably the best we couldve done. 

Fofana for Christiensen, again it's a sideways move currently, although with Christiensen's mental problems, and Fofana's potential, that will hopefully be a positive in the long run. 

But in terms of addressing the main issues, which to me was getting the best out of the front players, adding some quality in midfield, cover for wing backs. We have barely tackled any of these issues, and that's assuming we end up with Fofana, Aubameyang, and Gordon. 

£300m+ spent, and still look weaker. 

Really suprised we have spent nearly £40m on Chulwuemeka, and Casadei, both play best as 8's in a 3 man midfield, we bring back Gallagher, also best as an 8 in midfield 3, but then we seem dead set on keeping 343. 

Bizarre recruitment. 

Hoping for some shocks in the last week, hijacking Paqueta for £35m would been nice. This squad really lacks flair and vision. 

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6 minutes ago, big blue said:

In all honesty, I think the squad looked stronger this time last year. 

I dont really understand what we have been trying to achieve in this window. 

Replacing Lukaku with Aubameyang if it happens, is a step sideways at best. 

Swapping Werner, Ziyech, and CHO for Sterling and Gordon, arguably makes us worse. 

Cucurella looks like a quality player, and was probably needed after Chilwells injury, but theres not much between Cururella and pre injury Chilwell. 

Koulibaly for Rudiger, is probably the best we couldve done. 

Fofana for Christiensen, again it's a sideways move currently, although with Christiensen's mental problems, and Fofana's potential, that will hopefully be a positive in the long run. 

But in terms of addressing the main issues, which to me was getting the best out of the front players, adding some quality in midfield, cover for wing backs. We have barely tackled any of these issues, and that's assuming we end up with Fofana, Aubameyang, and Gordon. 

£300m+ spent, and still look weaker. 

Really suprised we have spent nearly £40m on Chulwuemeka, and Casadei, both play best as 8's in a 3 man midfield, we bring back Gallagher, also best as an 8 in midfield 3, but then we seem dead set on keeping 343. 

Bizarre recruitment. 

Hoping for some shocks in the last week, hijacking Paqueta for £35m would been nice. This squad really lacks flair and vision. 

Yup we could really do with working on a back 4 so we can play 4231 or 433

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We seem to be on a suicidal path with our transfers. So far I can’t see any improvement on where we were last season. Arguably a downgrade step in centre back, a sideways move in forwards and a very expensive ok full back. Fofana doesn’t strike me as the centre back to transform our defence. And Graham is perhaps the weirdest transfer I can think of - even by our standards. I don’t know where they’re getting the cash from, but they sure as hell are wasting it.

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This article is interesting on the BBC site.

Newcastle United may already be part of elite in England, data suggests - BBC Sport

We're not having a great 2022 and with our continued erratic performances and results, it is probably fair to say that we are at greatest risk of missing out on top four in the modern era. Apart from Arsenal and Spurs looking to have closed the gap on us, I didn't realise that Newcastle had improved so much since Howe took over.

I just hope we have enough airmiles to avoid another Leeds or we have no chance.

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15 hours ago, big blue said:

In all honesty, I think the squad looked stronger this time last year. 

I dont really understand what we have been trying to achieve in this window. 

Replacing Lukaku with Aubameyang if it happens, is a step sideways at best. 

Swapping Werner, Ziyech, and CHO for Sterling and Gordon, arguably makes us worse. 

Cucurella looks like a quality player, and was probably needed after Chilwells injury, but theres not much between Cururella and pre injury Chilwell. 

Koulibaly for Rudiger, is probably the best we couldve done. 

Fofana for Christiensen, again it's a sideways move currently, although with Christiensen's mental problems, and Fofana's potential, that will hopefully be a positive in the long run. 

But in terms of addressing the main issues, which to me was getting the best out of the front players, adding some quality in midfield, cover for wing backs. We have barely tackled any of these issues, and that's assuming we end up with Fofana, Aubameyang, and Gordon. 

£300m+ spent, and still look weaker. 

Really suprised we have spent nearly £40m on Chulwuemeka, and Casadei, both play best as 8's in a 3 man midfield, we bring back Gallagher, also best as an 8 in midfield 3, but then we seem dead set on keeping 343. 

Bizarre recruitment. 

Hoping for some shocks in the last week, hijacking Paqueta for £35m would been nice. This squad really lacks flair and vision. 

Strange one. Our defence has improved - K2 + Cucurella (+ Fofana) > Rudiger + Christensen. Our midfield has improved with the addition of Gallagher - Gallagher > Saul. So far, Werner for Sterling is a massive improvement. Ziyech can leave as well, with no replacement and it would still be a big improvement as we have one of the top two left wingers in the league. And I don't know how anyone can say Aubameyang is a sideways step when he's way more suited to our system, and is as prolific as Lukaku. 

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18 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Strange one. Our defence has improved - K2 + Cucurella (+ Fofana) > Rudiger + Christensen. Our midfield has improved with the addition of Gallagher - Gallagher > Saul. So far, Werner for Sterling is a massive improvement. Ziyech can leave as well, with no replacement and it would still be a big improvement as we have one of the top two left wingers in the league. And I don't know how anyone can say Aubameyang is a sideways step when he's way more suited to our system, and is as prolific as Lukaku. 

You've listed a player each from Barcelona and Leicester. No idea how they improve us. Haaland and KDB improve us massively, but they don't play for us either.

And I don't see how Cucurella improves us much. We already had two good fullbacks when fit, so he is either cover (which admittedly is good) or at best a slight improvement (but that remains to be seen).

Not convinced Koulibaly is a step up from Rudiger. He'll have to go some to be a big improvement on Rudi.

And Sterling so far has looked no better than Pulisic or CHO or Werner etc on their good days.

And we still look completely devoid of any on field leader(s). Rudiger was the nearest we had to a Cech/Terry/Ballack/Drogba etc presence on the park.

So all in all, to date it looks roughly like 150 million pounds of sideways.

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20 hours ago, big blue said:

In all honesty, I think the squad looked stronger this time last year. 

I dont really understand what we have been trying to achieve in this window. 

Replacing Lukaku with Aubameyang if it happens, is a step sideways at best. 

Swapping Werner, Ziyech, and CHO for Sterling and Gordon, arguably makes us worse. 

Cucurella looks like a quality player, and was probably needed after Chilwells injury, but theres not much between Cururella and pre injury Chilwell. 

Koulibaly for Rudiger, is probably the best we couldve done. 

Fofana for Christiensen, again it's a sideways move currently, although with Christiensen's mental problems, and Fofana's potential, that will hopefully be a positive in the long run. 

But in terms of addressing the main issues, which to me was getting the best out of the front players, adding some quality in midfield, cover for wing backs. We have barely tackled any of these issues, and that's assuming we end up with Fofana, Aubameyang, and Gordon. 

£300m+ spent, and still look weaker. 

Really suprised we have spent nearly £40m on Chulwuemeka, and Casadei, both play best as 8's in a 3 man midfield, we bring back Gallagher, also best as an 8 in midfield 3, but then we seem dead set on keeping 343. 

Bizarre recruitment. 

Hoping for some shocks in the last week, hijacking Paqueta for £35m would been nice. This squad really lacks flair and vision. 

Pretty much this. I'm actually concerned with where we are going on and off the pitch.

On the pitch, we look awful. Our attack is unbelievably bad, none of the front 3 look comfortable, it's not helping that none of them are playing in their favoured position. Sterling is a winger and Mount and Havertz are attacking midfielders. This is Mount's 4th season with us now and he is still expected to play that left forward role. The defence looks weaker and the midfield is pathetic without Kante and Kovacic. Injuries destroyed us last season and the same thing is already happening again this season. Losing Rudiger and Christensen is a huge blow and the fact that they both haven't been replaced yet is a big problem. We simply cannot expect to compete with 3 CB's at the age of 38, 33 and 32. It's already well known that Azpilicueta's legs aren't what they used to be and early signs are very concerning when it comes to Koulibaly. I have already said a few times that Koulibaly feels like a signing 5 years too late.

Off the pitch, I think we are handling ourselves terribly in the transfer market. It just feels like we are throwing around money without actually thinking. Signing Chukwuemeka for £20m is very odd. The moves for both Fofana and Aubameyang are becoming desperate. Like Koulibaly, Aubameyang would feel like a signing 5 years too late and if things go wrong, they will both need replacing again next season. Why are we so unable to find a good young forward when the rest of Europe manages it so much better than us? and if we wanted Fofana so badly, we should have moved much quicker instead of f**king about trying to sign De Ligt and flip flopping on Kounde. As for Gordon......I don't have words to describe it. 

Cucurella was a good signing, but he cost way more than we should be paying for him. It's now left us open to being taken advantage of by other clubs. Clubs will ask for another 10-20m more because of this, just like how United have been overspending for the dross they have been signing in recent years. City must be kicking themselves, they could easily have gotten another 20m out of us for Sterling.

There are other issues too, like Jorginho and Kante being in the last year of their contracts, which means we will be desperately looking for midfielders just like we are desperately looking for CB's this season. The squad is also still full of players that need to be moved on. We have been slowly doing it in recent weeks with Sarr going out on loan and getting 15m for Emerson, but there is still so much that needs clearing out. Alonso, Rahman, Ampadu, Barkley, Gilmour, Kenedy, Batshuayi, these all need to be moved on, with Gilmour preferably going out on another loan. The talk of Ziyech and Pulisic leaving should be off the cards, there is no time to replace them and Hudson-Odoi is expected to go out on loan too. We have a week left of this transfer window, what squad are we going to be left with if things carry on like this?

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9 hours ago, Snedger said:

You've listed a player each from Barcelona and Leicester. No idea how they improve us. Haaland and KDB improve us massively, but they don't play for us either.

And I don't see how Cucurella improves us much. We already had two good fullbacks when fit, so he is either cover (which admittedly is good) or at best a slight improvement (but that remains to be seen).

Not convinced Koulibaly is a step up from Rudiger. He'll have to go some to be a big improvement on Rudi.

And Sterling so far has looked no better than Pulisic or CHO or Werner etc on their good days.

And we still look completely devoid of any on field leader(s). Rudiger was the nearest we had to a Cech/Terry/Ballack/Drogba etc presence on the park.

So all in all, to date it looks roughly like 150 million pounds of sideways.

Cucurella is a starter and Brighton's player of the season - whether that's at LCB or LB. Even if you think Fofana and K2 are equal replacements for Rudiger and Christensen, the defense sees an overall improvement. Rudiger had a good two seasons and was a cult figure. K2 is one of the best defenders in the modern era and is a class above. 

What Sterling has looked like in a short space of time is irrelevant. The only other left winger that has matched his ability and performance levels is Son. 

For onfield leadership we have Silva, Jorginho, and Azpi. K2 is also great in this area but he needs time to settle. And then we have a team filled with model professionals like Mount, Kante, Sterling, Kova etc so we're fine in this area. We don't have a ton of players who would just roll over like the Man Utd bunch. 

We've spent 150m on a team that was top of the league last December and had their season derailed by injuries and ownership issues. Not having proper backup for James and Chilwell was a huge, huge issue - which has now mostly been addressed. 

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1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

What Sterling has looked like in a short space of time is irrelevant.

No it’s not.

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

K2 is one of the best defenders in the modern era and is a class above.

That’s why he’s reached his mid thirties without being signed by Barca, Real, Bayern, City, Liverpool, PSG or us (until now)

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

r onfield leadership we have Silva, Jorginho, and Azpi. K2 is also great in this area but he needs time to settle. And then we have a team filled with model professionals like Mount, Kante, Sterling, Kova etc so we're fine in this area. We don't have a ton of players who would just roll over like the Man Utd bunch.

I take it you’re too young to have seen Czech, Terry, Ballack and Drofba amongst others. But yeah, we’d never roll over and get beaten 3-0 at Leeds.

Are you either Tomas Tuchel or Todd Boehly?

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