11 hours ago, axman2526 said:

Not that I Disagree with you on this but, just for my own curiosity, do you set out to always disagree with Gol? 

Come on, you'd try and convince him the earth was flat if you could right?  😉

Nope, he’s just got this habit of always being wrong

serious questions need to be asked of our medical department. 

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Ukraine Bolt

3 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

serious questions need to be asked of our medical department. 

 

You could also question whether him playing all those minutes at such a young age could be a reason for his problems now.

14 hours ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Yeah, nothing to do with Messi's 7 goals and 3 assists. 

Doesn't change the fact about how they suddenly played better once implementing the structure where Enzo was in the middle, DePaul and McAllister around him, my point stands as Enzo won also the individual award as the best young player, seeing the big picture shouldn't be so hard so keep learning.

7 hours ago, ducavis said:

And therein lies the problem. Maresca doesn’t want to build through the middle, and he wants Enzo getting into the box which is wild. He had a purple patch when he notched some goals & assists but it was never sustainable. So even though all the metrics look good when you look at him in the middle of the park; and he was arguably our player, it’s still a head scratcher. 
Maresca knows we are a better team with Lavia giving Caicedo the freedom to roam around, but it seems his solution is to play Caicedo as a RB inverting to accommodate Enzo. That isn’t just sustainable long term with Lavia’s situation, cos once he goes off/ isn’t starting and you stick Enzo next to Caicedo we lose all control.

I agree, sounds like it is Maresca that should adapt himself to the team in order to create the best possible lineup and go-to tactic but he is compensating a lot in order to make his way work.

Far too much emphasis is made on the 2022 world cup when people try to present Enzo as a world class player.  Argentina had a ridiculously easy run to the final. Arguably in the whole (already poor ) tournament they didn't have a strong opponent until the final 

Enzo is a long way from a world class footballer no matter where he is played. 

20 hours ago, axman2526 said:

If that one is directed at me then I did not call him disappointing, I called him overhyped, mostly by our fan base.

I don't see him as immense, I see a lot of raw potential that still have a lot to learn but, unfortunately, his body is stopping his game developing. 

Thing is though, when he is fit, he allows Caicedo to be himself, which makes us a better team. If we have a Mikel, or an Essien, or our own Andrey Santos, alongside Caicedo it would make the same difference to our side that Lavia makes, even more of an improvement with Mikel or Essien, possibly with Andrey, imo

Which to me shows it is more about freeing Caicedo and providing him an actual midfield partner who can manage the physicality of this league while being responsible, than it is about Lavia himself improving us. 

Therefore pointing to our real issue, Enzo Fernandez.

We bought Lavia while he was injured and he has been injured again and again, how much does it matter that he makes Caicedo better when he can't be counted on to play as often?

The manager allows Enzo to play how he plays, he could in theory give the same instructions to Andrey Santos as well.

17 minutes ago, loz said:

Far too much emphasis is made on the 2022 world cup when people try to present Enzo as a world class player.  Argentina had a ridiculously easy run to the final. Arguably in the whole (already poor ) tournament they didn't have a strong opponent until the final 

Enzo is a long way from a world class footballer no matter where he is played. 

He was one of the best young players ever to play for Argentina and winning the World Cup isn't an easy thing to accomplish but on top of it as the youngest player in the final he had the most tackles and most touches so it's not really realistic to play down his importance or skill.

On top of it he played well in the CL, topping the group for Benfica and reaching the quarter-finals with us while playing under the worst manager we have ever had.

Edited January 19, 20251 yr by Gol15

One of the best to ever play for Argentina?

 

1. That's s bold statement 

2. And nonsense 

20 minutes ago, loz said:

One of the best to ever play for Argentina?

 

1. That's s bold statement 

2. And nonsense 

No it's not, look up the players that won the same award, Enzo is the first Argentinian that has won it and he is a World Cup winner at 21.

Make a real take and not just rubbish...

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

No it's not, look up the players that won the same award, Enzo is the first Argentinian that has won it and he is a World Cup winner at 21.

Make a real take and not just rubbish...

Without even having to think 

 

Maradona

Messi

Di Stefano

Batistuta

Ardiles

Ruggeri

Simeone

Houseman

Zanetti

Ayala

Aguero

Valdano

Crespo

Riquelme

Mascherano

Cannigia

Burruchaga

Passarella

Kempes

All way better as youngsters than Enzo is.  If I thought more there would be 50 more.

Best ever young player to play for Argentina.  Good God . I thought your Jorginho days were the peak of blinkered but this is a new peak.

 

How can you leave out Ballon d'Or winner Omar Sivori?

1 hour ago, Gol15 said:

Make a real take and not just rubbish...

Is that Hey Jude for the 2020s?

23 minutes ago, loz said:

Without even having to think 

 

Maradona

Messi

Di Stefano

Batistuta

Ardiles

Ruggeri

Simeone

Houseman

Zanetti

Ayala

Aguero

Valdano

Crespo

Riquelme

Mascherano

Cannigia

Burruchaga

Passarella

Kempes

All way better as youngsters than Enzo is.  If I thought more there would be 50 more.

Best ever young player to play for Argentina.  Good God . I thought your Jorginho days were the peak of blinkered but this is a new peak.

 

Enzo is the first one to win the best young player of the World Cup, did you catch just how much they celebrated it? They will celebrate that World Cup forever and Enzo was a key piece of their team, saying that Enzo is ONE of the best young players ever of his nation is definitely NOT a huge statement anywhere but in your empty head, what an idiot you must be in order to fight over something so trivial...

Looks like you alongside 2,3 of the same idiotic guys that hated Jorginho for 4 years are going to go all the way posting moronic things about Enzo now, what a waste of space you have been, sure Enzo has no talent and we signed him for 100m cause the new owners are just so generous!

Rubbish person posting rubbish, know you won't change so you're getting what you deserve 🤡

35 minutes ago, PloKoon13 said:

Is that Hey Jude for the 2020s?

No it's a clown thinking that he knows what he's talking about and that clearly doesn't know how to read properly either since he believes I said Enzo is the best player ever or something.. Also "easy road nothing special till the final", talk about being deluded I mean we were ready to pay anything for Enzo largely because of that World Cup performance but sure let's ignore reality now it's in fashion I guess...

The problem might be that Enzo isn't called Elliott, such a detail makes a whole lot of difference to the c**ts 🤡

Best young player award pmsl puts him alongside other greats such as Landon Donovon. I've seen that clown post some rubbish on here but judging a player based on a 7 game tournament 3 years ago is funny. 

43 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

 we were ready to pay anything for Enzo largely because of that World Cup performance but sure let's ignore reality now it's in fashion I guess...

The problem might be that Enzo isn't called Elliott, such a detail makes a whole lot of difference to the c**ts 🤡

Yeah because average players have never got a big money move after a good international tournament before....

On 17/01/2025 at 06:23, Bob stark said:

There is no question on the ball Lavia is amazing. Most player is either a jorgi or a Kova but Lavia is comfortable doing both. However many also say that Lavia is providing steel to our midfield which I completely disagree. 

This is another Lavia being lost defensively. 

Lavia won a tackle in midfield, all good. 

The ball bounce around. Now semenyo is Lavia man, Enzo man is the one on the ball and either Palmer or Jackson need to get bournemouth cb. All fine. 

Palmer and Jackson are late because they need to recover (very good effort by Jackson here). Lavia  decided to leave semenyo and engange the ball carrier, one simple pass. 

☠️☠️ No chance Lavia can ever recover this. This is basically Palmer goal,  3 v 3 break in the middle. 

Luckily our st summon his inner Kante and chase semenyo (this is just insane from Jackson). 

 

 

I'm pretty sure by proving steel people mean physically, not defensively. Think everyone is well aware he is not Kante defensively but what he provides to the team overall out weights that. 

Oh good, gol is here talking utter sh*te and claiming we're xenophobic again, f**king imbecile.

40 minutes ago, Ukraine Bolt said:

Best young player award pmsl puts him alongside other greats such as Landon Donovon. I've seen that clown post some rubbish on here but judging a player based on a 7 game tournament 3 years ago is funny. 

And Pogba... actually he is available, maybe we should do a straight swap for Enzo...

Or maybe Monaco has what we need in the middle. 

10 hours ago, dkw said:

Oh good, gol is here talking utter sh*te and claiming we're xenophobic again, f**king imbecile.

I know, it's great ain't it.

We needed some more entertainment around here, especially with Jim dropping the ball in the Jackson thread of late...

Though really discussion of Enzo being a poor man's Jorginho should move over to his topic. This one is for keeping up to date on Lavias various injuries...

Maresca doesn’t know how long he’s out for. 
 

Another reason to recall Santos. 

He us the real life Mr. Glass isn't he? Someone just needs to sneeze on this guy and he is out long term.

On 19/01/2025 at 21:05, dkw said:

You could also question whether him playing all those minutes at such a young age could be a reason for his problems now.

Unsurprisingly almost every single player on that list has recurring injury issues, the remainder have drifted down the leagues