1 minute ago, Droy said:

So you would not have sacked Villas Boas back then? Or Lampard back in 2021?

We literally would not be Champions League winners right now if we didn't make those moves.
Pep and Klopp have pedigree and they came in and set the standard right away. It didn't always work out because they didn't have the right players yet. Klopp especially had a bunch of dross when he took over with Borini, Lambert and Balotelli leading the line - not European Champions like Potter have.

Potter have no idea. No obvious way we want to play, no obvious way we want to defend and one thing that is obvious is that the players are losing faith in him sharply. Gallagher said after Brighton the players couldn't get motivated, Potter said essentially the same thing today. He's lost the players and he's already heading towards the exit.

What actually worries me is that Boehly is stubborn and won't admit he's made a mistake. 

AVB yes I would have but it ended up working well for us that we didn't, Lampard was given 18 months and you could tell we were going nowhere. Calling for a manager to be sacked after 10 games is just ridiculous 

There is much talk of time and patience, plus the sensible and measured commentary about knee jerk reactions like "sack the manager" and such like.

However what we have is a history of huge success in the past 20 years of so. Manager longevity was not relevant, trophies were the focus and it worked.

What we now have is an inexperienced football club owner/CEO coupled with a non elite level manager who we are lead to believe shares the same vision as the owner.

If things don't shape up and soon, we could be playing Thursday night football ( if we are lucky ). Whilst I can see Boehly waxing lyrical about being the first owner to put the Europa conference league cup in the trophy cabinet, the reduced income might be of concern to Clearlake.

I don't think there's too many of us who have a shared vision with Boehly just now.

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19 minutes ago, GermanChels said:

From now on, I will watch the matches as a neutral. Every loss brings us at least closer to the sacking of GP and embarrasses Boehly.

OK. Who are you going to follow in the World Cup?

10 minutes ago, Deino said:

So you're blaming Tuchel on his tactics and shot creation but blaming the players on Potter's tactics and shot creation?

Did Potter magically stumbled upon this squad today? He knew this since Thursday but can't come up with an effective gameplan

 

There is a huge difference between a manager who has built his own squad, or had the opportunity to, and one who has not. Tuchel had two summer transfer windows and failed to improve us - in fact, it probably made us worse. The manager holds responsibility for the signings that the club makes during their watch, and it was not acceptable.

I never said the players did not carry any blame under Tuchel, but Tuchel had two major windows and one minor to correct a lot/some of these issues. But, other than Chilwell, we failed to correct any other major issue in the squad. Two summer windows were, essentially, wasted under him. He failed to improve the squad since the season he took over and, since then, it has actually regressed with the loss of Rudiger and Kante becoming a full-time patient. 

This is something fans seem to miss about his time here. 

 

3 minutes ago, OneTommyLangley said:

There is much talk of time and patience, plus the sensible and measured commentary about knee jerk reactions like "sack the manager" and such like.

However what we have is a history of huge success in the past 20 years of so. Manager longevity was not relevant, trophies were the focus and it worked.

What we now have is an inexperienced football club owner/CEO coupled with a non elite level manager who we are lead to believe shares the same vision as the owner.

If things don't shape up and soon, we could be playing Thursday night football ( if we are lucky ). Whilst I can see Boehly waxing lyrical about being the first owner to put the Europa conference league cup in the trophy cabine,t the reduced income might of of concern to Clearlake.

I don't think there's too many of us who have a shared vision with Boehly just now.

Always see people use this reason to defend our hiring and firing model but it doesn't stand up when you look at our last decade compared to our first decade under Roman. Also if you compare the amount of money spent to the amount of City spent, we should have won much way more trophies during our prime era. Firing and hiring managers got us to where we are now. The odd cup wins ever couple of years just papered over the cracks.

1 minute ago, timetowaste said:

 Calling for a manager to be sacked after 10 games is just ridiculous 

I agree, but what number of games do we say is a fair chance ?

What if we finish 8th 9th 10th or lower at the end of the season after Potter has had 32 league games ?

5 minutes ago, just said:

OK. Who are you going to follow in the World Cup?

Don't waste your breath.

 

2 minutes ago, Chelsc96 said:

Tuchel had two summer transfer windows and failed to improve us - in fact, it probably made us worse. The manager holds responsibility for the signings that the club makes during their watch, and it was not acceptable.

He was not in charge of his first transfer window, Marina was. The second one maybe but then why did he never get a real chance to prove he can do it with the players he brought in?

He didn't even have all his signings available before the idiot from the states sacked him. The signings looked good as long as Tuchel was here. Potter is just a fraud that can't get anything out of anyone.

Just now, Chelsc96 said:

 

There is a huge difference between a manager who has built his own squad, or had the opportunity to, and one who has not. Tuchel had two summer transfer windows and failed to improve us - in fact, it probably made us worse. The manager holds responsibility for the signings that the club makes during their watch, and it was not acceptable.

I never said the players did not carry any blame under Tuchel, but Tuchel had two major windows and one minor to correct a lot/some of these issues. But, other than Chilwell, we failed to correct any other major issue in the squad. Two summer windows were, essentially, wasted under him. He failed to improve the squad since the season he took over and, since then, it has actually regressed with the loss of Rudiger and Kante becoming a full-time patient. 

This is something fans seem to miss about his time here. 

 

Tuchel's involvement with the transfer market was very minimal.

Last summer, he wanted Haaland or a very good striker, Marina failed and spent 100m on Lukaku who got fat and wanted to go back to Inter at every possible chance.

Last January, we didn't have a transfer window because the club was sanctioned.

Boehly started out wanting to buy Raphinha, De Ligt, De Jong, Dembele but ended up buying Sterling, Koulibaly and Cucurella.

How was any of that Tuchel's fault when he had very little choice on transfers?

 

2 minutes ago, coco said:

I agree, but what number of games do we say is a fair chance ?

What if we finish 8th 9th 10th or lower at the end of the season after Potter has had 32 league games ?

I'd definitely give him the season, I think a lot of it also depends on how much we progress as a team and how we play. If most of our performances are similar to this for the rest of the season then Boehly etc need to ask questions 

6 minutes ago, coco said:

I agree, but what number of games do we say is a fair chance ?

What if we finish 8th 9th 10th or lower at the end of the season after Potter has had 32 league games ?

I think a fair chance IMO is a season and a transfer window to bring in his own players and an extra season to allow the players to settle/gel with his tactics. It's the same I wanted for Tuchel, this season was the season where he finally got players of his own, but he was fired before getting the chance to have a full season with them. 

7 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Always see people use this reason to defend our hiring and firing model but it doesn't stand up when you look at our last decade compared to our first decade under Roman. Also if you compare the amount of money spent to the amount of City spent, we should have won much way more trophies during our prime era. Firing and hiring managers got us to where we are now. The odd cup wins ever couple of years just papered over the cracks.

I'm not actually defending hiring and firing , I'm not that interested in the manager - just as long as they are elite level and if they are not then they should be overseen by a seasoned footballing CEO,

Also I'm delighted with the performance in the past decade.

9 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'd definitely give him the season, I think a lot of it also depends on how much we progress as a team and how we play. If most of our performances are similar to this for the rest of the season then Boehly etc need to ask questions 

Exactly what I think, by May 2023 we’ll know if we are going in the right direction or not.

Does Potter actually watch film? Genuine question. Because there is no way anyone can continue to start Mount, Havertz, and Sterling given how awful they've been all season. 

I swear there is a level of arrogance in Potter. Oh Tuchel couldn't get anything out of these big name players so I'' be the one to succeed at it. 

32 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

Sorry but I don't believe you with Klopp. Took over half way through the season and finished 8th, then finished 4th two seasons in a row nowhere near top of the league, there is no way in hell Chelsea fans would give him the time of day after those 2 and a half years.

The situation was massively different though. When Klopp arrived, Liverpool weren't even a Champions League team, they were rarely even qualifying for it at that point. Also, all they had won in 10 years was a League Cup. Of course they were going to give time to a multi title winning coach, they couldn't do any better.

Our situation is very different. Unlike Liverpool, we have been regularly qualifying for the Champions League and winning trophies, so why should fans expect to go backwards now?

Unlike Klopp, Potter doesn't have the same level of success to his name. Klopp was a clear upgrade on their previous manager, Potter is a clear downgrade on our previous manager. It's a lot harder for Chelsea fans to buy into Potter than it ever was for Liverpool to buy into Klopp.

Sounds to me like the majority of the fanbase has turned on Potter already.

20 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

Always see people use this reason to defend our hiring and firing model but it doesn't stand up when you look at our last decade compared to our first decade under Roman. Also if you compare the amount of money spent to the amount of City spent, we should have won much way more trophies during our prime era. Firing and hiring managers got us to where we are now. The odd cup wins ever couple of years just papered over the cracks.

There's a difference between backing an elite manager like Guardiola and backing an unproven manager like Potter.

 

With an elite manager it's patience knowing they can build a world class team, with an unproven manager it's just blind faith hoping they'll somehow come good in a few years.

14 minutes ago, timetowaste said:

I'd definitely give him the season, I think a lot of it also depends on how much we progress as a team and how we play. If most of our performances are similar to this for the rest of the season then Boehly etc need to ask questions 

I'll say this, what happens if we're in 16th place around Christmas time like in Jose's last season? Would you still give Potter the season then?

3 minutes ago, Deino said:

I'll say this, what happens if we're in 16th place around Christmas time like in Jose's last season? Would you still give Potter the season then?

Funny you mention Jose's second stint coming to an end, as Potter reminds me of Jose then, looking lost and clueless. The majority of players also look like they dont care to give the effort expected of them, nor trust their manager.

I think Todd's commitment to Potter is going to be given quite a test.

3 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Funny you mention Jose's second stint coming to an end, as Potter reminds me of Jose then, looking lost and clueless. The majority of players also look like they dont care to give the effort expected of them, nor trust their manager.

I think Todd's commitment to Potter is going to be given quite a test.

At this point in time it's a possibility, we lose the next 3 games and we could be in the bottom 10 or worse. Who knows what could happen at the World Cup.

Boehly persisted quite a while when his baseball team were near bottom so the man has a thick skin

Edited November 6, 20223 yr by Deino

1 minute ago, Deino said:

At this point in time it's a possibility, we lose the next 3 games and we could be in the bottom 10 or worse. Who knows what could happen at the World Cup.

Boehly persisted quite a while when his baseball team were near bottom so the man has a thick skin

If that happens whilst Potter continues to play the same underperformers then I will lose no sleep if he's sacked. 

Give me a manager with balls. 

Been out all day and just getting up to speed on today's match.  My first stop was the team sheet, and I am totally scratching my head as to why (a) Zakaria wasn't on the team sheet and (b) why he wasn't even brought on as a substitute ?

Similar thing happened with Broja ... scored a great goal against Wolves and then hardly had a sniff since. I just don't understand what Potter is playing at ??? Did someone miss the "un" out of his degree in emotional (un)intelligence ?

Potter is already 47 years old, and hardly young ... how long are we supposed to wait for any evidence of actual managerial ability ? 

7 minutes ago, Deino said:

I'll say this, what happens if we're in 16th place around Christmas time like in Jose's last season? Would you still give Potter the season then?

We won’t be 16th by next week, I think the half way point will be around the end of January.

By then we would have had a transfer window, albeit a difficult one to bag a bargain, hopefully by then we’ll have some players back from injury at the very least.

10 minutes ago, Drogba1 said:

There's a difference between backing an elite manager like Guardiola and backing an unproven manager like Potter.

 

With an elite manager it's patience knowing they can build a world class team, with an unproven manager it's just blind faith hoping they'll somehow come good in a few years.

But people also haven't even backed elite managers in the past when they were on poor runs. You can look in the archives of manger threads like Ancelotti and Conte and people wanted them out even after they won trophies for the club. The hiring and firing culture ingrained in our club goes beyond the status of the manager. Even Pep could come here, and people will still want him out if he goes on a bad run of games. Id' just love for us to back a manager for the first time and see what happens.