7 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Yes, i know. I quoted 10th - 12th at the beginning of January and you scoffed at me. I would take it now on current form to be honest. Lol

the only way now is to sack Potter, and hire Poch or Enrique to save our season

This job is too big for Potter, he joins us is more about we pay him 12m a season instead of 2m than all those bullsh*t ambition talks

3 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

the only way now is to sack Potter, and hire Poch or Enrique to save our season

This job is too big for Potter, he joins us is more about we pay him 12m a season instead of 2m than all those bullsh*t ambition talks

Why does it matter if we finish 8th 10th 13th this season? 

What matters is where we are next season. 

If sacking Potter and hiring Enrique means we qualify for the champs league, I might be up for it. But it won't. 

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by bisright1

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

Why does it matter if we finish 8th 10th 13th this season? 

What matters is where we are next season. 

because it is their f**king job to try their best and perform for the fans?

Are you saying that fans deserve to pay their hard earn money to watch these prats played like sh*t week in week out just because it 'doesnt matter' if we finish 8th/10th/13th? 

2 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

because it is their f**king job to try their best and perform for the fans?

Are you saying that fans deserve to pay their hard earn money to watch these prats played like sh*t week in week out just because it 'doesnt matter' if we finish 8th/10th/13th? 

If finishing 8th/10th/13th this season is the only way to allow a full rebuild then so be it. I would rather be in top 4, and I suspect we would be much closer to that position without the key injuries. But we have been in a continuous cycle of managers now for too long without any progress. A lot of these players have let down several managers and led to them leaving. I am not sure whether Potter is going to be able to turn this around, but while he is still in charge he has my support.

14 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Why does it matter if we finish 8th 10th 13th this season? 

What matters is where we are next season. 

If sacking Potter and hiring Enrique means we qualify for the champs league, I might be up for it. But it won't. 

Even if results improve next season, the style of football is still going to be dire. Even his best season with Brighton they were one of the worst scoring teams in the league. Do people really want to watch this for the next 18 months? 

2 hours ago, OriginalS said:

How does he fit in so far? Genuinely interested.

Results or performance wise he certainly doesn't "fit" in with anything we've seen since the 90s. If fitting in means being all nice and cozy with owners he probably does fit in but that doesn't interest me frankly.

He fits the club. Tuchel didn't want to work like they wanted. Talk to everyone, work between levels. So far Boehly and co are backing him so that us why he fits the club.

 

 

36 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

because it is their f**king job to try their best and perform for the fans?

Are you saying that fans deserve to pay their hard earn money to watch these prats played like sh*t week in week out just because it 'doesnt matter' if we finish 8th/10th/13th? 

My point being salvaging a season to go from 13th to 7th isn't salvaging a season for me. 

It's more important what happens in the years after. 

I accept someone thinking Potter isn't the guy who will win us the league in 3 years, I think he could be. But not someone who is stressed about us needing to finish 7th this year and so we need to abandon the entire project. 

46 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

The point of hiring Potter is to win the league. It's not to win the league this season though. No one who wants Potter to stay is saying anything different.

It's quite simple. 

Some fans, like you, want to see Chelsea do well this season, they want to see success next season. Some fans just want to have some stability with the view it will make us better long term. 

No Chelsea fan who wants Potter to stay is because they think we should forever be a top 8 side. If we don't win the league, or run the winners close in Potter's third season, I'll want him gone. 

That's fair enough and just to clarify when you say I want us to do well this season when we define "well" I would say that's not whatever this is right now. With or without injuries I think we should be doing better. 

I think it's fair to want Potter to do better, I also think it's fair to want to give him time. At the end of the day it comes down to two perspectives either he's good enough to one day challenge the league with us or he simply isn't. Before this torrid run I chose to reserve judgement, as of now I'm firmly in the latter camp, but I can be persuaded to believe in him if he gives me something to believe in.

I don't think that Chelsea fans are entitled or spoilt as some would have us believe. Any other team in the world on this run and their fans would question the owners the coach and everything in between. It's not where we are on the table but more the manner of performances that has left many dumbfounded.

I actually detest having to always bring TT into the discussion because he is gone it is time to move on, but when he joined instantly from match day 1 we saw the intention to play a certain way. Potter has had most of the squad before injuries, before the world cup and he didn't really show us anything other than an imitation of "Tuchelball" if that's what people want to call it.

Modern football really isn't as complicated as some would have you believe when you boil down to the way in which contemporary top coaches would have you believe they want their teams to play.

High intensity runs, off the ball pressures, quick passing circuits to establish overloads in open spaces, balls in behind, quick counters in transitional openings. We see none of this from our team and I'm not sure anyone knows atm what Potter wants from his Chelsea side especially the players themselves

 

1 hour ago, Drogba1 said:

Even if results improve next season, the style of football is still going to be dire. Even his best season with Brighton they were one of the worst scoring teams in the league. Do people really want to watch this for the next 18 months? 

There is maybe something that we don't know that all the analyists and people that have a lot of money invested count on that isn't seen just yet. Despite no obvious sign of any improvement so far, it's not clear if this kind of football will stay for 18 months. If Potter doesn't finish below 10th there is that hope once a few new players join in the summer.

Found this interesting. After the 1min mark, Simon talks about meeting Boehly in Qatar and intimates that there were some 'eye-watering' issues around the Tuchel sacking that aren't public. He then goes on to say that he would have sacked him as well. Just perhaps another little reminder about how little we know regarding club issues.

 

1 hour ago, forbzy said:

If finishing 8th/10th/13th this season is the only way to allow a full rebuild then so be it. I would rather be in top 4, and I suspect we would be much closer to that position without the key injuries. But we have been in a continuous cycle of managers now for too long without any progress. A lot of these players have let down several managers and led to them leaving. I am not sure whether Potter is going to be able to turn this around, but while he is still in charge he has my support.

Agree with this. How long though? 1 year, 5 years. How far down. Everton level, flirting? I'm playing devil's advocate of course just for effect, but the principle does still apply, Slipping is still a dangerous game. This year's blip or fall from grace could be the new norm, especially if the guy in charge hasn't got the capacity or the tools to stage the comeback. Ask the scouse. 20 years. They left it in the hands of their "legends" as well.

33 minutes ago, venom2011 said:

Found this interesting. After the 1min mark, Simon talks about meeting Boehly in Qatar and intimates that there were some 'eye-watering' issues around the Tuchel sacking that aren't public. He then goes on to say that he would have sacked him as well. Just perhaps another little reminder about how little we know regarding club issues.

 

Caught in the headlights?

Not elite?

20m to get me out of Brighton?

Trust the process it's all going accordingly

55 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

Agree with this. How long though? 1 year, 5 years. How far down. Everton level, flirting? I'm playing devil's advocate of course just for effect, but the principle does still apply, Slipping is still a dangerous game. This year's blip or fall from grace could be the new norm, especially if the guy in charge hasn't got the capacity or the tools to stage the comeback. Ask the scouse. 20 years. They left it in the hands of their "legends" as well.

If we aren't in the top 4 next season then a lot of the give Potter time brigade will be on the other side. 

1 minute ago, bisright1 said:

If we aren't in the top 4 next season then a lot of the give Potter time brigade will be on the other side. 

Agreed. I think it is reasonable for the owners to expect us to be challenging for top 4 next season given the investment.

1 hour ago, venom2011 said:

Found this interesting. After the 1min mark, Simon talks about meeting Boehly in Qatar and intimates that there were some 'eye-watering' issues around the Tuchel sacking that aren't public. He then goes on to say that he would have sacked him as well. Just perhaps another little reminder about how little we know regarding club issues.

 

What's stopping Simon from saying those issues out loud?

 

Priority signings won't want to come if this season is a shambles. Players need to see what you're doing before buying into what you're trying to do.

Everyone knows he needs time, it's just a matter of how much time. Here's a reminder of our current form

34 shots on target across the last 10 games 

6 goals scored for us in the last 10 games

During the ten games we went 4 games in a row without scoring a single goal

7/10 games failed to score a single goal

1 clean sheet in last 10 games

2 wins in last 10 games 

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, enigma said:

 

I hope whoever these players are that aren't buying into his philosophy are shown the door. Need get rid of player power at the club.

25 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I hope whoever these players are that aren't buying into his philosophy are shown the door. Need get rid of player power at the club.

I think there is a decent chance that will happen this time. The new owners don't have an existing connection with these players so I cannot see them tolerating that sort of rebellion. They will only want players who are willing to give 100% to the club, no matter who is in charge.

21 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

I hope whoever these players are that aren't buying into his philosophy are shown the door. Need get rid of player power at the club.

Based off this season I'm sure they'll be moved on mate, if their egos are as big as their wages I'm sure they'll think they're too good for us during our rebuild or while Potter remains in charge.

I said it before and I will say it again this is Moyes 2.0 differences here the owner decided to give him a 5 year deal with massive wages so sacking him would cost a a fortune.

 

I have set my expectations for the next 3 seasons at a level where I won’t be disappointed, I literally have zero disappointment now watching Chelsea lose acceptance is the first stage of expectations setting.

 Enjoy the good days but expect plenty of bad ones until everything changes.

After 70 yrs following the club man and boy. At my age, and yes, nearly tempted a couple of times to climb into this technological pit. 
I’ve finally done it. So hello to all you other masochists. 😉

In a nutshell…is it a coincidence that since Grahams arrival we are scoring half the goals we were previously. Whilst Brighton are scoring over twice as many as they were, under his coaching.
Sad to say, but It’s my believe that G got lucky at BHA. It was their clever and business like Chairman Bloom and his assistant Barber that has placed the south coast team on the map. Their buying and bringing youngsters through their Academy really is phenomenal.

In a nutshell the Club need shot of G, he is unable to motivate. Don’t ask me who could replace him, and I think that is his only hope …who is there? 

All this nonsense about time is just silly. This week, end of the season, next season Potter is getting sacked because he never should have been appointed to begin with, because he isn't up to it.

Good coaches have impact. They diagnose the challenges quickly and they find a way to make a change that has an impact. Sometimes that is morale based, sometimes that is formation or approach. Potter has had literally zero impact. We are still playing the same way with the same issues as we were under Tuchel. This is despite having a mid season break with half the squad to work with.

The only reason that Potter hasn't been sacked already is because it would be embarrassing for Boehly to admit he made a mistake in appointing him and because it would go back on his long term project.

I am all for long term projects, have been one to consistently suggest we shouldn't sack managers over the years. But this is AVB mkii. He needs to be removed quickly for someone with top level experience who the squad will respect and who can have impact.

18 minutes ago, Bolyboy said:

After 70 yrs following the club man and boy. At my age, and yes, nearly tempted a couple of times to climb into this technological pit. 
I’ve finally done it. So hello to all you other masochists. 😉

In a nutshell…is it a coincidence that since Grahams arrival we are scoring half the goals we were previously. Whilst Brighton are scoring over twice as many as they were, under his coaching.
Sad to say, but It’s my believe that G got lucky at BHA. It was their clever and business like Chairman Bloom and his assistant Barber that has placed the south coast team on the map. Their buying and bringing youngsters through their Academy really is phenomenal.

In a nutshell the Club need shot of G, he is unable to motivate. Don’t ask me who could replace him, and I think that is his only hope …who is there? 

From what Brighton fans seem to say, Bloom was by far the biggest reason for their success, their club model is similar to Brentford's. Potter just got them playing a more possession based style compared to Chris Hughton, the recruitment is the main reason they're doing so well