2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Owners feel Potter is restricted by what he inherited (Tuchel also frustrated by squad), a huge period of transition, injuries and even the World Cup break, and that any new identity will take time. #CFC really don’t want to make a change, especially not during a transfer window.

 

Lmao at this!

You guys are the fools that signed Sterling, Koulibaly and Cucurella for him for absurd amounts and contracts and dumped Aubameyang on him who only came here to play for TT again!!!

21 minutes ago, Argo said:

They weren't quite as sure when they were getting knocked out of the cup by a league one side or scoring once in four games.

Are now though lol

2 hours ago, JM7 said:

Update from Ben Jacobs:

Still told, as from the very start, there is full confidence and patience in Graham Potter at Chelsea. Potter sought assurances when he joined that there would be no knee-jerk reaction if #UCL wasn’t achieved or results took time.
 

Owners feel Potter is restricted by what he inherited (Tuchel also frustrated by squad), a huge period of transition, injuries and even the World Cup break, and that any new identity will take time. #CFC really don’t want to make a change, especially not during a transfer window.

The owners have a long-term vision, and the multi-club model won’t be fully functional immediately. As a result, and despite big spending so far, Potter isn’t going to have the team he wants overnight.

Clearly being mid-table and out both cups is a run that would under Roman Abramovich have got a manager sacked (and quickly). But there will likely be patience with Potter because he’s seen as not just the right manager but also a strong fit for the long-term vision.

Of course, every manager is eventually judged by results, but the plan is not to make change without giving Potter more time and resource. Behdad Eghbali has told Potter this multiple times during this difficult spell.

 

Our players aren't gonna want to stick around for this "new identity" to settle. As of now this new identity is a toasted crap sandwich. 

Also, top players aren't gonna want to come here when we're a mid table club and UCL isn't in the cards.

Boehly doesn't seem to recognize all the fire power he wants in the transfer market won't come to a club outside the top 4. Top players will just go to other UCL clubs. 

Boehly seems to think he can rebuild Chelsea as if it were an American NBA team. Doesn't work that way here. 

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by HonoreMeiBalsac

1 hour ago, HonoreMeiBalsac said:

Our players aren't gonna want to stick around for this "new identity" to settle. As of now this new identity is a toasted crap sandwich. 

Also, top players aren't gonna want to come here when we're a mid table club and UCL isn't in the cards.

Boehly doesn't seem to recognize all the fire power he wants in the transfer market won't come to a club outside the top 4. Top players will just go to other UCL clubs. 

Boehly seems to think he can rebuild Chelsea as if it were an American NBA team. Doesn't work that way here. 

Indeed, bit it did not bother him in his first window when he mostly signed mercs who only came for the pay cheque.

Honestly though is it on Potter to motivate the players to actually give a damn? To actually put in a shift and play with pride.

Surley nobody believes Avram Grant had any impact on the motivation the side he "managed" to a CL final had? Does anyone believe RDM motivated his charges to win the FA Cup and CL or did that burning desire come from within themselves?

Both those two where shown to be very poor coaches, did not stop those achievements.

So sack Potter, go for it he is a problem as he is well off it tactically. It won't solve the underlying issue though. 

6 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

Indeed, bit it did not bother him in his first window when he mostly signed mercs who only came for the pay cheque.

Honestly though is it on Potter to motivate the players to actually give a damn? To actually put in a shift and play with pride.

Surley nobody believes Avram Grant had any impact on the motivation the side he "managed" to a CL final had? Does anyone believe RDM motivated his charges to win the FA Cup and CL or did that burning desire come from within themselves?

Both those two where shown to be very poor coaches, did not stop those achievements.

So sack Potter, go for it he is a problem as he is well off it tactically. It won't solve the underlying issue though. 

The side that made it to the CL final under Avram was full of leaders and characters. That is something we have been increasingly lacking in recent years. Thiago is one of the few leaders we have in our squad and Reece seems to be inspirational in that regard too. I would say last season we also had Rudi who helped in that area and he wasn't adequately replaced. So its not surprising that we look to be lacking in any on-field leadership at present.

26 minutes ago, forbzy said:

The side that made it to the CL final under Avram was full of leaders and characters. That is something we have been increasingly lacking in recent years. Thiago is one of the few leaders we have in our squad and Reece seems to be inspirational in that regard too. I would say last season we also had Rudi who helped in that area and he wasn't adequately replaced. So its not surprising that we look to be lacking in any on-field leadership at present.

Also on Potter for the love of all things Graham put 11 players on the pitch that actually want to play for us.

It is insulting having these mercs walk about like they are.

1 hour ago, HonoreMeiBalsac said:

Our players aren't gonna want to stick around for this "new identity" to settle. As of now this new identity is a toasted crap sandwich. 

Also, top players aren't gonna want to come here when we're a mid table club and UCL isn't in the cards.

Boehly doesn't seem to recognize all the fire power he wants in the transfer market won't come to a club outside the top 4. Top players will just go to other UCL clubs. 

Boehly seems to think he can rebuild Chelsea as if it were an American NBA team. Doesn't work that way here. 

If players only want to join us for UCL then I'm glad they won't step anywhere near the team, that's what led us to having a team full of mercs in the first place. And anyone at the club who doesn't want to stay with us because we don't get to europe can also f**k off. Us not getting to europe gives us the opportunity to sign players that want to play for the badge or want to work hard to get us to UCL. The fact that Nkunku still signed for us despite the uncertainty of our performances gives me high hopes that he is coming here to play for the badge, for example.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Frankie8Lampard

4 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

If players only want to join us for UCL then I'm glad they won't step anywhere near the team, that's what led us to having a team full of mercs in the first place. And anyone at the club who doesn't want to stay with us because we don't get to europe can also f**k off. Us not getting to europe gives us the opportunity to sign players that want to play for the badge or want to work hard to get us to UCL. The fact that Nkunku still signed for us despite the uncertainty of our performances gives me high hopes that he is coming here to play for the badge, for example.

I like what you say, but it sounds like the Nkunku deal was basically agreed when we were very much in with a good shot of top 4.

8 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

If players only want to join us for UCL then I'm glad they won't step anywhere near the team, that's what led us to having a team full of mercs in the first place. And anyone at the club who doesn't want to stay with us because we don't get to europe can also f**k off. Us not getting to europe gives us the opportunity to sign players that want to play for the badge or want to work hard to get us to UCL. The fact that Nkunku still signed for us despite the uncertainty of our performances gives me high hopes that he is coming here to play for the badge, for example.

I have a complete different view on this issue

players who are willing to sign for us despite we don’t play good football and no CL football means they are just mercenaries and don’t care about working hard and play well, as long as they are being paid well they are fine with it and I don’t want any of these players in my team

2 minutes ago, axman2526 said:

I like what you say, but it sounds like the Nkunku deal was basically agreed when we were very much in with a good shot of top 4.

That's fair. I'm not sure the timeline of the deal but he at least saw that we fired Tuchel and that there were a lot of shifting cogs and wheels going on at the club which any player would know is an uncertain atmosphere. Its the same reason that Rudiger left. So we at least know he's not looking for the easy route that would have occurred if he joined a club like city.

1 minute ago, cfcforeverfan said:

I have a complete different view on this issue

players who are willing to sign for us despite we don’t play good football and no CL football means they are just mercenaries and don’t care about working hard and play well, as long as they are being paid well they are fine with it and I don’t want any of these players in my team

For an older player like Aubamayeng I would agree to that but I doubt a young player with a blossoming career will take a chance like that unless they actually have the motivation to help improve the club. IMO, one of the reasons arsenal are doing well is because they signed players that didn't come here looking for a fat cheque and european football but actual people that want the club to do well.

14 minutes ago, Frankie8Lampard said:

If players only want to join us for UCL then I'm glad they won't step anywhere near the team, that's what led us to having a team full of mercs in the first place. And anyone at the club who doesn't want to stay with us because we don't get to europe can also f**k off. Us not getting to europe gives us the opportunity to sign players that want to play for the badge or want to work hard to get us to UCL. The fact that Nkunku still signed for us despite the uncertainty of our performances gives me high hopes that he is coming here to play for the badge, for example.

Then don't complain about players then not being good enough. As you're then only looking at players who don't want UCL. It's naive to think top players transfer to play for the badge. They play for the badge and say that when it's a top UCL side. 

1 hour ago, axman2526 said:

Indeed, bit it did not bother him in his first window when he mostly signed mercs who only came for the pay cheque.

Honestly though is it on Potter to motivate the players to actually give a damn? To actually put in a shift and play with pride.

Surley nobody believes Avram Grant had any impact on the motivation the side he "managed" to a CL final had? Does anyone believe RDM motivated his charges to win the FA Cup and CL or did that burning desire come from within themselves?

Both those two where shown to be very poor coaches, did not stop those achievements.

So sack Potter, go for it he is a problem as he is well off it tactically. It won't solve the underlying issue though. 

I don't think the players respect Potter. That's how it looks. He might have already lost the team.

At the same time the last thing we need is to go on manager number 3 over a 6 month period.

The instability here is a constant problem. But there might be no escaping a mediocre manager in Potter either. 

Not good! 

34 minutes ago, HonoreMeiBalsac said:

Then don't complain about players then not being good enough. As you're then only looking at players who don't want UCL. It's naive to think top players transfer to play for the badge. They play for the badge and say that when it's a top UCL side. 

The two aren't mutually exclusive. Getting players to play for the badge doesn't mean they don't want to play for UCL at all. The point is that those players will care enough for the club to work hard and get them to play in Europe. Our previous generation of players like Lamps and Terry are a good example of that. Also the term 'top players' imo has become subjective because we've been signing these so called 'top players' for the last five years and it has got us nowhere while clubs above us have signed players that weren't regarded as 'top or looking for ucl' and yet they are performing better than our current crop. 

40 minutes ago, HonoreMeiBalsac said:

I don't think the players respect Potter. That's how it looks. He might have already lost the team.

At the same time the last thing we need is to go on manager number 3 over a 6 month period.

The instability here is a constant problem. But there might be no escaping a mediocre manager in Potter either. 

Not good! 

Why would a champions league winner respect a manager that has no pedigree no achievements and have won nothing in his career? 
 

just he share the same surname as Harry Potter? Lmao

Eventhough everything looks doom and gloom right now

Nkunku - Kai - Sterling 

Mount - Kova

Dm

Chilwell - Colwill - fofana - james

Gk

Is lit.

The big key here is that dm slot. If we can get a casemiro then we are absolutely golden. Then all we need is to get a gk and maybe a more consistent version of Kova.

That is it. Just 3 good players and we are back in the thick of things and maybe a manager. Potter has not shown us that he is the correct for manager for us. 

 

I have tried to be supportive of GP since his arrival, even though I would have preferred to keep TT or get someone else enitrely.

But all of the comments about him having no "project", no game plan, no strategy are all beginning to ring true, and before anyone points it out, I do understand that we have more first team players injured than on the available list. I do get that, but irrespective of who he picks, there is no shape, no cohesion and no passion.

By far the biggest issue for me is that GP seems far too accepting of the defeats and shocking performances. I am getting sick of the "proud of the boys" or "they gave me all they could" lines as they are both utter bollocks. Can you imagine Jose, Conte, Sarri or Ancelotti accepting these type of performances and then virtually praising the players after a run of one win in EIGHT games (against Bournemouth 😳) No way would it happen, and however good a coach Potter is (and he is yet to prove anything) He just does not seem to have the man management skills to manage at this level.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by coombsie

I don't think many people here think Potter is the primary reason we are losing games.

Everyone can see our form is bad, the injuries are bad, the quality in general is bad. The problem is that we replaced Tuchel with a bang average manager who's best achievement is finishing 8th with Brighton once. Brighton who barely scored goals and had the exact same problems as we did under Tuchel. It's like we just got a C level British version of Tuchel and gave him a huge contract, it just doesn't make sense. 

Most of us could agree that the results wouldn't be that much different right now under Tuchel, but at least if we were to give Tuchel the backing and faith the board are giving Potter right now it would've made a lot more sense. Someone who's actually got a good resume, loved by the fans and has won things at this club. 
 

3 hours ago, axman2526 said:

I like what you say, but it sounds like the Nkunku deal was basically agreed when we were very much in with a good shot of top 4.

I'm still yet to see any evidence that this has been done anyway.

7 defeat in 9 games and he is still our manager

 

standards are on the floor ffs

14 minutes ago, cfcforeverfan said:

7 defeat in 9 games and he is still our manager

 

standards are on the floor ffs

It's also about how we lose, you can't really blame Potter for a free kick goal or some soft penalty against us here or there but the problem is that we don't look capable of scoring goals at all.

This has been our problem for at least a few seasons so it's actually a big issue for us and no doubt a lot of managers would be struggling with it, but Potter looks totally incapable of dealing with it as if he's completely out of his depth and maybe it's not a coincidence either since those that followed him in Sweden and in Brighton see his whole approach as a weakness when it comes down to scoring goals.

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by Gol15

50 minutes ago, Victor90 said:

The problem is that we replaced Tuchel with a bang average manager who's best achievement is finishing 8th with Brighton once.
 

I personally don't see it as a case a manager being good or bad, just a bad fit for the club, coming in at the wrong time.

With all the injuries, new signings needed imbedding, change of ownership (with off-field staff upheaval), etc........it just seemed like a bad time to pick a relative rookie manager who wants to completely change the tactics and play novel style that none of the players (bar Cucurella) are likely to be fully familiar with).

We could have gone with a safe pair of hands like Pochettino who would have just gone with a hard working, pressing 4-2-3-1 where we'd be expected to out-work and out-run our opponents each week and everyone would know their role. I have little doubt that the ceiling MIGHT not have been as high, but we certainly wouldn't have been this poor or looked as lost. But the club decided the adventurous upandcomer was the way to go and here we are.

I still think Potter could very well go on to be a really good manager, I just think it wasn't the right time or place for him at this stage of the club's development.

Potter will come good. Give the guy a fully fit squad before we judge. Tuchel went downhil immediately after just losing Chilly. Tuchel had two summer windows and none of the signings under him are covered in glory. 

When Potter has a summer window and a fully fit squad, then we can judge.

Just curious, but who exactly is the manager/coach that walks in tomorrow and instantly puts us on a twelve game winning run and leads us to a top four finish?

6 minutes ago, Snedger said:

Just curious, but who exactly is the manager/coach that walks in tomorrow and instantly puts us on a twelve game winning run and leads us to a top four finish?

Just because there aren’t a perfect manager to come in right away we should accept mediocrity 

 

best logic ever