5 hours ago, Qaz said:

I personally don't see it as a case a manager being good or bad, just a bad fit for the club, coming in at the wrong time.

With all the injuries, new signings needed imbedding, change of ownership (with off-field staff upheaval), etc........it just seemed like a bad time to pick a relative rookie manager who wants to completely change the tactics and play novel style that none of the players (bar Cucurella) are likely to be fully familiar with).

We could have gone with a safe pair of hands like Pochettino who would have just gone with a hard working, pressing 4-2-3-1 where we'd be expected to out-work and out-run our opponents each week and everyone would know their role. I have little doubt that the ceiling MIGHT not have been as high, but we certainly wouldn't have been this poor or looked as lost. But the club decided the adventurous upandcomer was the way to go and here we are.

I still think Potter could very well go on to be a really good manager, I just think it wasn't the right time or place for him at this stage of the club's development.

I largely agree with this.

My only point is in response to this point that you make well and is clearly one of the many soundbites from pundits and board members alike:

.it just seemed like a bad time to pick a relative rookie manager who wants to completely change the tactics and play novel style that none of the players (bar Cucurella) are likely to be fully familiar with).

This is what i am waiting to see. Play an expansive, intricate flowing style of football and get punished for it until the right personnel are in place. Please, I'm all for that. I could see the plan then and if we are going somewhere and we have to drop position and staus before coming again, i can wait for that. In fact i look forward to it because the ascending journey is the best bit. Who wouldn't have wanted to have been a Brentford fan for these last three or four years.

But i don't see any of it. No embryo, no plan, no midfield nucleus to build around. No resolute defence to build a foundation upon. Nothing. Just a disparate group of footballers who each have about 45 minutes of fitness in them and no real identity. Yes there have been injuries, yes the season has been interrupted with the WC. I get all of that, but when is it time for us to collective say bl00dy hell we're not in a transition, we are actually in a nose dive, pull the bl00dy rip cord.

 

4 hours ago, evissy said:

I have decided to back Potter for 3 straight seasons. If we are not where we need to be after that, sack him. From here to that point in time I will back him and the project. 

It means I will probably skip some games as it is so hard to watch us struggle. 

I will trust the process as I think what it is. I will not let media get under my skin. They basically want people to just buy a paper. Chelsea struggling sells papers better than Chelsea thriving. They live in Roman era realities. I am now in the new era.

Thanks! 💪

 

Tickets could be easier to get int eh Champ as well   

3 hours ago, icecoolguy22 said:

True, we have been in decline, but still got to the 4th spot last season with the same lazy Havertz and not give a sh1t Ziyech. So at least Tuchel got more out of these bunch than Potter. Therefore to say any manager would have the same struggle is far stretched. He's not going to get sack if we lose against Fulham because of the circumstances. The fact he had to tell us he's not sackable really bugged me, and not surprisingly followed by one of the worst performance of the season. I get he's pissed off, so show it on the training ground or dressing room, or goes into Conte mode on the sideline. Get some results like the other 19 guys in the league, and stop reminding us this is part of the 'normal transition' into...

The nature of decline is that it continues year on year. If we went from 4th to 4th we'd have stagnated, not declined.

Also, as others have said, other teams have come on leaps and bounds this season making league position an unreliable indicator.

Obviously our league position currently stinks, but the season is barely at its halfway point. We're in the midst of the worst injury crisis I can recall us ever having, I genuinely don't know how the same people who call for us to improve the squad, replace Jorginho, get another RB, buy a creator and a striker etc etc also expect us to be getting results with 9 or 10 players out injured. It's honestly baffling.

Losing games is unpleasant, last night was a tough watch, but that's not enough to hit the eject button for me. Not when you take into account the bigger picture.

One thing I noticed yesterday is there is no urgency to get the ball forward. It may have been when we were 1-0 down, Kepa collected the ball from a corner and as soon as he collected the ball, 6 players made the run forward and if Kepa released the ball quickly we had a break on that would've been 6 Vs 4. Instead Kepa delayed and held onto the ball until City had got back into position. Just goes to show how a little urgency can effect the game, or not if it's not applied. That's just one example but there were a few others where the midfield got on the ball and had options in front of them, but instead went sideways or backwards. We are the most frustrating team to watch in regards to just having possession for the sake of it. 

I don't and can't believe the players are being instructed to play this way and the fact that the forward players are making these runs leads me to think that they believe the ball should be being played early. It has been a problem going back to when Tuchel was here that we would let teams re-set rather than being decisive and clinical with the ball. How many times did we see Timo for example making the right run but getting frustrated because the ball never came? Someone made another comment in the DD Fofana thread but it was bang on, eventually the forwards will stop running if they know the ball isn't coming.

Obviously Potter for now has to work with what he's got, but Jorginho, Kovacic and any other player we have currently in the midfield aren't the type of players to make a quick game changing pass. Jorginho has shown he is capable of doing it but it only seems to happen once or twice a season. Kovacic again has done it on occasion but nowhere near frequently enough. It's clear we need a new midfielder in this window. Whether that's Enzo Fernandez or someone else, but we need a midfielder who is happy to get on the ball and grab the game by the scruff of the neck, and put defences under pressure with quick and incisive passing. I feel the club may be putting all their eggs into the Enzo basket, but if we don't sign a midfielder in this window then I will view that as a massive failure. Should Enzo not happen, I'd like the club to try and see if we can get Tielemans from Leicester given that he is out of contract in the summer. I know he has been off it this season but in each of his previous three seasons he has had 10 G/A's which would be a massive improvement on anything our midfield offer.

Another issue is the mentality of this squad, we were in the game for 20 minutes yesterday and as soon as we went 1-0 down we knew we were beaten. When was the last time we went behind in a game and any of us thought "We are still going to get a result here". These players go 1-0 down and may as well walk off. Apart from Thiago Silva there is absolutely nobody in this squad that has that mentality. Obviously some of that may come from the manager as well, and that's something that Potter definitely needs to work on. But regardless of who the manager is, as long as we keep playing this same group of players, and not addressing weaknesses in the squad, then I really don't know how we can expect to improve. 

14 minutes ago, drjonesy1994 said:

One thing I noticed yesterday is there is no urgency to get the ball forward. It may have been when we were 1-0 down, Kepa collected the ball from a corner and as soon as he collected the ball, 6 players made the run forward and if Kepa released the ball quickly we had a break on that would've been 6 Vs 4. Instead Kepa delayed and held onto the ball until City had got back into position. Just goes to show how a little urgency can effect the game, or not if it's not applied. That's just one example but there were a few others where the midfield got on the ball and had options in front of them, but instead went sideways or backwards. We are the most frustrating team to watch in regards to just having possession for the sake of it. 

I don't and can't believe the players are being instructed to play this way and the fact that the forward players are making these runs leads me to think that they believe the ball should be being played early. It has been a problem going back to when Tuchel was here that we would let teams re-set rather than being decisive and clinical with the ball. How many times did we see Timo for example making the right run but getting frustrated because the ball never came? Someone made another comment in the DD Fofana thread but it was bang on, eventually the forwards will stop running if they know the ball isn't coming.

Obviously Potter for now has to work with what he's got, but Jorginho, Kovacic and any other player we have currently in the midfield aren't the type of players to make a quick game changing pass. Jorginho has shown he is capable of doing it but it only seems to happen once or twice a season. Kovacic again has done it on occasion but nowhere near frequently enough. It's clear we need a new midfielder in this window. Whether that's Enzo Fernandez or someone else, but we need a midfielder who is happy to get on the ball and grab the game by the scruff of the neck, and put defences under pressure with quick and incisive passing. I feel the club may be putting all their eggs into the Enzo basket, but if we don't sign a midfielder in this window then I will view that as a massive failure. Should Enzo not happen, I'd like the club to try and see if we can get Tielemans from Leicester given that he is out of contract in the summer. I know he has been off it this season but in each of his previous three seasons he has had 10 G/A's which would be a massive improvement on anything our midfield offer.

Another issue is the mentality of this squad, we were in the game for 20 minutes yesterday and as soon as we went 1-0 down we knew we were beaten. When was the last time we went behind in a game and any of us thought "We are still going to get a result here". These players go 1-0 down and may as well walk off. Apart from Thiago Silva there is absolutely nobody in this squad that has that mentality. Obviously some of that may come from the manager as well, and that's something that Potter definitely needs to work on. But regardless of who the manager is, as long as we keep playing this same group of players, and not addressing weaknesses in the squad, then I really don't know how we can expect to improve. 

Our new CB is known for pinging passes long, and we highlighted that when signed, so might be a big reason why he was scouted. 

9 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

Our new CB is known for pinging passes long, and we highlighted that when signed, so might be a big reason why he was scouted. 

A big reason why he is scouted was for his long ball ? Potter does not play long ball, have the scouts been watching us  play or what ? Even with city in our face we were passing it short and often across our box, thats what Potter wants.

With Potter I would like to see a clear style of play BUT as he is a modern flexible adaptative coach that is probably not that apparent ever. 

With Potter I would love to see results as we have a squad full of international stars BUT 10-11 for us is currently injured and Potter is still learning the Chelsea-ropes.

With Potter I would love to see energy and fight BUT he is a mild mannered person who does his work man-to-man behind camera. People generally whether it is a player or a collague like his personality and abilities.

Potter is not Tuchel and will never be. Tuchel didn't fit in. Potter fits in SO far at least. 

Potter needs time and we should give him and trust him.

1 minute ago, evissy said:

Potter fits in SO far at least. 

How does he fit in so far? Genuinely interested.

Results or performance wise he certainly doesn't "fit" in with anything we've seen since the 90s. If fitting in means being all nice and cozy with owners he probably does fit in but that doesn't interest me frankly.

I really think this analysis of Potter is OTT, this was our first round of an FA Cup away to the league  champions.

Potter brought in Chalobah, Humphreys, Gallagher and Hall, when else are they likely to get match time?

When we played City in the league we had Zakaria and Kova as the two man midfield why he went for Jorginho is a suprise unless he wanted to give him match time. 

21 minutes ago, coco said:

A big reason why he is scouted was for his long ball ? Potter does not play long ball, have the scouts been watching us  play or what ? Even with city in our face we were passing it short and often across our box, thats what Potter wants.

Who really knows what Potter wants? Journalists who get to ask him spend their time asking stupid questions about if he's afraid of the sack, instead of probing questions into what style he's setting out.

As @drjonesy1994 suggested, if Potter (+Tuchel) didn't want balls played over the top, why are our strikers always making runs? It may just be that our midfield and CBs don't have the ability + vision to play those balls. 

 

Get Frank in the coaching team to tell some harsh truths to this lot.

 

10 minutes ago, bisright1 said:

As @drjonesy1994 suggested, if Potter (+Tuchel) didn't want balls played over the top, why are our strikers always making runs? It may just be that our midfield and CBs don't have the ability + vision to play those balls. 

 

Rüdiger played long balls every now and then. But Koulibaly tried (at least under TT, don't know about nowadays) and it didn't work at all. Maybe a matter of training and getting used to one another but in theory you should always prefer someone who can pinpoint a long ball from the back because it makes playing it out from the back easier since the opposition can't read your game as well. Mandatory of course the new guy cannot only pinpoint long balls but is also sound at playing short passes under pressure 😉

Also the final thing I will say is and this has been mentioned before and fairly regularly is his wage. I'm sorry, but nobody is truly losing sleep when they're on a £60m a year contract for the next 5 years if their team is underperforming in the short-term. 

Compare that with the 18 month contract TT received and his need to improve the team in the short-term and they're night and day comparisons.

Potter hasn't done anything imo to warrant or justify a deal as lucrative as that, what taking Brigton to 9th or his past work in leagues nobody cares about.

Whereas, TT winning coach of the year reaching multiple finals each season not to mention a UCL win in his first several months did. How was each coach rewarded one got given the deal of their lifetime and the other was kicked to the curb can you guess which one was which? 

Boehly has gone about his managerial recruitment process backwards, you get in the people at the top then you get the coach not the other way around. You certainly don't commit everything to someone that's unproven and then blindly follow them. I'm interested to see how far Boehly and Co's resolve can last, if we drop to 15th what then? At what point would they realise they've made a mistake.

Also I for one am not a big Poch fan, but I would have preffered his appointment in hindsight. I was reeling from the TT sacking so when Potter came in I was too numb to really consider other options. For all of Poch's detractors let's look at what he did for Spurs.

He took them from a big 6 team to consistently competing in the top 4. Competed in two title races and ultimately failed but that's the closest they've come to the league prior and since for a long time. He developed Kane, Ali and Son to an extent and created a recognisable style. 

He failed to win a trophy, but under that ownership regime so would any coach. Levy is so clueless he sacked Mourinho the best chance they had at winning a trophy the week of a final against Pep to hire an interim manager who's never coached at this level and was not even 30 or was just hitting his 30s. He barely backed him financially and he did the best with what he was given. 

Is he an elite coach, on the balance of things he's probably in the category below but he's certainly two tiers at least above Potter no disrespect intended. Poch did still win titles at PSG including the league he just didn't win the league twice and was sacked for not winning the ucl which let's be fair is why everyone gets sacked at PSG.

The season he failed to win the league he came in halfway through so I'll give him some slack since his style and TTs are different so it may have taken time to translate over. I think a good measuring stick for a coach is how they perform in one league teams.

If you can win the league at PSG, Bayern and previously Juve. All clubs that operate as monopolies you deserve a chance at another club's hotseat in a league that's more of a duopoly or oligopoly this hereby meaning multiple teams compete for the title not just one.

My question therefore to you all is do you think if Potter is appointed as PSG or Bayern coach he would win the league? There's no excuses at those clubs yes you can ask to get your players in, but the level of the club dictates that anything but a league title in your first season is a failure regardless of any long-term plans that are to be put into place.

Why should Chelsea be any different and drop our standards. My standards for Chelsea are fairly simple it used to be a coach at least keep us in the top 4 (prior it was try to compete for the league or at least win a trophy alongside a top 4 finish). Now it's top 6, for some of you it's now top 8 or just not mid table. Yes we've all lowered are standards, but how low will we continue to accept, 10th, 12th, not relegated. Next season what will be the parameter for success, any improvement no matter how little as long as we're moving forward on our long-term plan?

I'm not saying Poch is the answer, but he's a lot more qualified to lead this club than Potter so I think those calling Poch out should at least remember that. Nevertheless Potter deserves our backing until its quite literally untenable its not there yet but I continue to watch and wait for signs of improvement or some kind of jeopardy to force GP into some kind of action 

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

 

 

4 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

 

If there's someone I don't genuinely listen to when it comes to this club it's Craig Burley the guys always overly negative. So when he's actually talking sense and actually not being overly negative you know we must be bad. 

 

 

10 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Also the final thing I will say is and this has been mentioned before and fairly regularly is his wage. I'm sorry, but nobody is truly losing sleep when they're on a £60m a year contract for the next 5 years if their team is underperforming in the short-term. 

Compare that with the 18 month contract TT revieved and his need to improve the team in the short-term and they're night and day comparisons.

Potter hasn't done anything imo to warrant or justify a deal as lucrative as that, what taking Brigton to 9th or his past work in leagues nobody cares about. Whereas, TT winning coach of the year reaching multiple finals each season not to mention a UCL win in his first several months did. How was each coach rewarded one got given the deal of their lifetime and the other was kicked to the curb can you guess which one was which? 

Boehly has gone about his managerial recruitment process backwards, you get in the people at the top then you get the coach not the other way around. You certainly don't commit everything to someone that's unproven and then blindly follow them. I'm interested to see how far Boehly and Co's resolve can last, if we drop to 15th what they? At what point would they realise they've made a mistake.

Also I for one am not a big Poch fan, but I would have preffered his appointment in hindsight. I was reeling from the TT sacking so when Potter came in I was too numb to really consider other options. For all of Poch's detractors let's look at what he did for Spurs.

He took them from a big 6 team to consistently competing in the top 4. Competed in two title races and ultimately failed but that's the closest they've come to the league prior and since for a long time. He developed Kane, Ali and Son to an extent and created a recognisable style. 

He failed to win a trophy, but under that ownership regime so would any coach. Levy is so clueless he sacked Mourinho the best chance they had at winning a trophy the week of a final against Pep to hire an interim manager who's never coached at this level and was not even 30 or was just hitting his 30s. He barely backed him financially and he did the best with what he was given. 

Is he an elite coach, on the balance of things he's probably in the category below but he's certainly two tiers at least above Potter no disrespect intended. Poch did still win titles at PSG including the league he just didn't win the league twice and was sacked for not winning the ucl which let's be fair is why everyone gets sacked at PSG.

The season he failed to win the league he cane in halfway through so I'll give him some slack since his style and TTs are different so it may have taken time to translate over. I think a good measuring stick for a coach is how they perform in one league teams.

If you can win the league at PSG, Bayern and previously Juve. All clubs that operate as monopolies you deserve a chance at another club's hotseat in a league that's more of a duopoly or oligopoly this hereby meaning multiple teams compete for the title not just one.

My question therefore to you all is do you think if Potter is appointed as PSG or Bayern coach he would win the league? There's no excuses at those clubs yes you can ask to get your players in, but the level of the club dictates that anything but a league title in your first season is a failure regardless of any long-term plans that are to be put into place.

Why should Chelsea be any different and drop our standards. My standards for Chelsea are fairly simple it used to he a coach at least keep us in the top 4 (prior it was try to compete for the league or at least win a trophy alongside a top 4 finish). Now it's top 6, for some of you it's now top 8 or just not mid table. Yes we've all lowered are standards, but how low will we continue to accept, 10th, 12th, not relegated. Next season what will be the parameter for success, any improvement no matter how little as long as we're moving forward on our long-term plan?

I'm not saying Poch is the answer, but he's a lot more qualified to lead this club than Potter so I think those calling Poch out should at least remember that. Nevertheless Potter deserves our backing until its quite literally untenable its not there yet but I continue to watch and wait for signs of improvement or some kind of jeopardy to force GP into some kind of action 

At this point in time Pochettino looks like a loose cannon, I'm not saying he is but he looks a bit outdated like Allegri but without actually winning much. He had a decent period of making Spurs a stable team, that alone took some time and he was at some point even in the title race but ultimately he blew it and he also blew the CL chance for both Spurs and PSG.

I'll admit that I'm biased in not wanting a former Spurs manager to come here but what I said isn't any narrative, the truth is that if he was a good coach he would have still been at PSG today, they might change coaches here and there but if the person isn't a problem he can stay there longer than Poch and winning that league there with that PSG team is expected.

I don't know what will Potter manage to do here, I have my doubts of him being the right profile for us mainly due to our attacking problems but if Pochettino managed to make a decent squad out of Spurs after some time, Potter might do it here if the club signs the right players in the summer. Potter after all must be an ambitious man after accepting this current job, he might even end up as the one English manager that could win big even if it looks pretty much impossible right now but football has its way of putting things together in due time... That is like you said, if he survives this season, because if we keep losing and suddenly find us at 16th position, that big question mark about Potter's general ability as a manager will turn into a big red flag.

In the PL you simply have to deliver, even if Potter is looking to fully rebuild he can't keep losing matches. The question is how much can he do right now and how much is needed that would reassure everyone around him that he's to be trusted for the long term?

My biggest concern at the moment about all of these types of noises and negative rumours is that :

Roberto Martinez is currently available.

 

Dear god NOOOOoooooo,

2 minutes ago, Gol15 said:

At this point in time Pochettino looks like a loose cannon, I'm not saying he is but he looks a bit outdated like Allegri but without actually winning much. He had a decent period of making Spurs a stable team, that alone took some time and he was at some point even in the title race but ultimately he blew it and he also blew the CL chance for both Spurs and PSG.

I'll admit that I'm biased in not wanting a former Spurs manager to come here but what I said isn't any narrative, the truth is that if he was a good coach he would have still been at PSG today, they might change coaches here and there but if the person isn't a problem he can stay there longer than Poch and winning that league there with that PSG team is expected.

I don't know what will Potter manage to do here, I have my doubts of him being the right profile for us mainly due to our attacking problems but if Pochettino managed to make a decent squad out of Spurs after some time, Potter might do it here if the club signs the right players in the summer. Potter after all must be an ambitious man after accepting this current job, he might even end up as the one English manager that could win big even if it looks pretty much impossible right now but football has its way of putting things together in due time... That is like you said, if he survives this season, because if we keep losing and suddenly find us at 16th position, that big question mark about Potter's general ability as a manager will turn into a big red flag.

In the PL you simply have to deliver, even if Potter is looking to fully rebuild he can't keep losing matches. The question is how much can he do right now and how much is needed that would reassure everyone around him that he's to be trusted for the long term?

I'm definitely not advocating for Poch as the answer for all our problems but he's definitely more qualified than Poch that's it really. 

I do agree though, my biggest issue with Poch actually comes in that UCL final you mentioned. When he chose an unfit Kane over an in form Lucas. I'm sorry but you don't drop a player who scored a hattrick in one half to take you to the finals you either play them both or you play Lucas. Shocking decision fro the coach. 

Also PSG's capitulation vs Madrid isn't really on Poch his keeper decided to have a brain fart and his most experienced defender clearest the ball across his box. He actually had the game well and truly won prior to that. 

I wouldn't want a Spurs hand me down either, but I think Poch has Chelsea FC in the top 6 and the last 16 of ucl after 18 games in charge whereas Potter has done well in the ucl for now but league form is dire. So far I'm yet to see him out tactic any of his opposition whereas at least Poch has shown he can beat the best coaches in the league and the world.

Repeat message for some reason 

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by LongtimerLurker

9 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

My biggest concern at the moment about all of these types of noises and negative rumours is that :

Roberto Martinez is currently available.

 

Dear god NOOOOoooooo,

Don't worry mate Portugal are hiring him apparently, loooooool how he gets the job is beyond me

2 minutes ago, LongtimerLurker said:

Don't worry mate Portugal are hiring him apparently, loooooool how he gets the job is beyond me

17 minutes ago, WhiteWall said:

My biggest concern at the moment about all of these types of noises and negative rumours is that :

Roberto Martinez is currently available.

 

Dear god NOOOOoooooo,

He's signed as Portugal national team manager.

2 hours ago, WhiteWall said:

I largely agree with this.

My only point is in response to this point that you make well and is clearly one of the many soundbites from pundits and board members alike:

.it just seemed like a bad time to pick a relative rookie manager who wants to completely change the tactics and play novel style that none of the players (bar Cucurella) are likely to be fully familiar with).

This is what i am waiting to see. Play an expansive, intricate flowing style of football and get punished for it until the right personnel are in place. Please, I'm all for that. I could see the plan then and if we are going somewhere and we have to drop position and staus before coming again, i can wait for that. In fact i look forward to it because the ascending journey is the best bit. Who wouldn't have wanted to have been a Brentford fan for these last three or four years.

But i don't see any of it. No embryo, no plan, no midfield nucleus to build around. No resolute defence to build a foundation upon. Nothing. Just a disparate group of footballers who each have about 45 minutes of fitness in them and no real identity. Yes there have been injuries, yes the season has been interrupted with the WC. I get all of that, but when is it time for us to collective say bl00dy hell we're not in a transition, we are actually in a nose dive, pull the bl00dy rip cord.

 

we will get relegated if we play flowing style of football because even bottom team can take advantage of our sh*t defense

 

We arent safe yet let me remind you, 25 pt is not enough for safety and we can easily get into a relegation dog fight at the end of the season if we dont sack Potter ASAP

Just now, cfcforeverfan said:

we will get relegated if we play flowing style of football because even bottom team can take advantage of our sh*t defense

 

We arent safe yet let me remind you, 25 pt is not enough for safety and we can easily get into a relegation dog fight at the end of the season if we dont sack Potter ASAP

Yes, i know. I quoted 10th - 12th at the beginning of January and you scoffed at me. I would take it now on current form to be honest. Lol

1 hour ago, LongtimerLurker said:

 

My question therefore to you all is do you think if Potter is appointed as PSG or Bayern coach he would win the league? There's no excuses at those clubs yes you can ask to get your players in, but the level of the club dictates that anything but a league title in your first season is a failure regardless of any long-term plans that are to be put into place.

Why should Chelsea be any different and drop our standards. My standards for Chelsea are fairly simple it used to be a coach at least keep us in the top 4 (prior it was try to compete for the league or at least win a trophy alongside a top 4 finish). Now it's top 6, for some of you it's now top 8 or just not mid table. Yes we've all lowered are standards, but how low will we continue to accept, 10th, 12th, not relegated. Next season what will be the parameter for success, any improvement no matter how little as long as we're moving forward on our long-term plan?

I'm not saying Poch is the answer, but he's a lot more qualified to lead this club than Potter so I think those calling Poch out should at least remember that. Nevertheless Potter deserves our backing until its quite literally untenable its not there yet but I continue to watch and wait for signs of improvement or some kind of jeopardy to force GP into some kind of action 

The point of hiring Potter is to win the league. It's not to win the league this season though. No one who wants Potter to stay is saying anything different.

It's quite simple. 

Some fans, like you, want to see Chelsea do well this season, they want to see success next season. Some fans just want to have some stability with the view it will make us better long term. 

No Chelsea fan who wants Potter to stay is because they think we should forever be a top 8 side. If we don't win the league, or run the winners close in Potter's third season, I'll want him gone. 

Edited January 9, 20233 yr by bisright1